texascavers Digest 7 Sep 2011 17:09:40 -0000 Issue 1383
Topics (messages 18494 through 18507):
caving in tv series
18494 by: David
18495 by: David
fire readiness
18496 by: Nancy Weaver
18498 by: Don Arburn
18500 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
18502 by: Diana Tomchick
Schumacher Fund
18497 by: Crystal LeBoeuf
An evacuation bag...
18499 by: Nancy Weaver
18503 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
Re: TCR 2011!
18501 by: Diana Tomchick
18504 by: Mallory Mayeux
18505 by: Stefan Creaser
18506 by: Fritz Holt
18507 by: brewskyjba.gmail.com
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Check out the video below. Skip to 5:50 for the caving action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po9NoUu8gQs&NR=1
The comments below are an in-depth analysis of the caving scenes in this
episode:
Note each caver has a short coil of rope. The pit looks to be at
least 200 feet.
Is that a CGI pit or a real pit, or a photoshopped pit ?
Note the leader's super-mini-tablet has an app for automatic
cave-system locator, and accurately
predicts the depth of the major passage at 50 meters.
Ironically, all they can afford are Myo XP headlamps.
Each caver rappels on his own rope, using a self-braking descender like the new
Petzl Rig. I think they have on a harness similar to the Petzl
Rescue Falcon Mountain.
http://www.petzl.com/en/pro/rescue-harnessess/falcon-mountain
Skip from 6:30 to 7:55 to watch rest of caving scene to 8:41. Note one of the
cavers "suddenly" has a bazooka-sized light source shown below:
http://www.toolsnob.com/pictures/light_on.jpg
http://imgs.ebuild.com/cms/ebuild/2007//44013/huskylight.jpg
( Made by Husky and sold at Home Depot )
Then you have to skip to next episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW9TZRQ-Fhk&NR=1
Skip to 1:55 where they discover what they came to find. That is the infamous
mad-scientist, Nikola Tesla ( a real de-vampired vampire ). He got
stuck in the cave in some
sort of cocoon made by troglobitic giant centipedes that had been
bio-engineered to attack.
( O.K., so that part is a little far fetched ) Then
the trip leader pulls out a cordless circular power grinder, only the
model in the
scene is not the cordless model.
What is really far-fetched about this episode is how Nicoli Tesla called for a
cave rescue, using a secret WW2 communication device powered by his
newly discovered magnetic mental powers ( you have to watch the show to get all
of that part of the plot ).
Another far-fetched part, is their small cave packs are loaded down with guns
and fancy ray guns, that just happen to neutralize the giant centipedes, and
have a high setting for blowing up cave passage. In addition to
that, they purposely
blocked themselves in not knowing what the continuing passage dangers
lie ahead.
Skip from 5:45 to 7:02
Unfortunately, they eventually find a horizontal mineshaft at the back
of the cave,
so we will never know if they had ascenders to get out of the pit, or
if they went
back to get their ropes.
They are not wearing helmets, nor seem to be dressed for caving, and the cave
floor is pretty flat. Are there even caves in the Columbian highlands ?
David Locklear
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I think I forgot to mention that the big light that the caver
suddenly had in the cave runs off of 120 volt AC system, and
is not cordless, so they would have needed a generator,
or a big battery pack with inverter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leLlEkralMI
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I'm putting together a suitcase with clothes, passport, necessary
legal papers and leaving it in the car. My friends in San Francisco
call it an earthquake kit, in New Orleans they do it for floods. So
sorry for everyone's losses.
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I've had one of these since 9/11.
Don's iPhone.
On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Nancy Weaver <nan...@prismnet.com> wrote:
> I'm putting together a suitcase with clothes, passport, necessary legal
> papers and leaving it in the car. My friends in San Francisco call it an
> earthquake kit, in New Orleans they do it for floods. So sorry for
> everyone's losses.
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I'm putting together a suitcase with clothes, passport, necessary legal papers
and leaving it in the car. My friends in San Francisco call it an earthquake
kit, in New Orleans they do it for floods. So sorry for everyone's losses.
Uhm, you might want to make copies of those documents and stash the originals
elsewhere*. I know folks who had that kind of stuff stolen out of a car during
a move.
*Unless your plan is to just keep driving.
Andy
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Go to the following web site
http://texashelp.tamu.edu/004-natural/fires.php
where you will not only have links to maps of fires (complete with names of the
fires--who knew they were named, just like hurrricanes?) and to recommendations
for emergency preparedness. Good info here.
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote:
> I'm putting together a suitcase with clothes, passport, necessary legal
> papers and leaving it in the car. My friends in San Francisco call it an
> earthquake kit, in New Orleans they do it for floods. So sorry for
> everyone's losses.
>
> Uhm, you might want to make copies of those documents and stash the originals
> elsewhere*. I know folks who had that kind of stuff stolen out of a car
> during a move.
>
> *Unless your plan is to just keep driving.
>
> Andy
________________________________
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because someone posted the account information on a forum. This
change will NOT affect donations that have already been made or are in
the mail. All new donors should contact me directly at
leboeu...@gmail.com for the new protocol on how to donate. Please
think.
Thank you,
Crystal LeBoeuf
UT Grotto Secretary/Treasurer
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This from my SF friend:
...is a smart idea. You can type "evacuation" in Google & get some
good ideas. (As you may recall I have a Red Cross backpack in my car
& in my apartment to help me survive for 3 days if I experience an
earthquake in SF.) I found this list in Wikipedia of items
recommended for an evacuation bag. Some of the items you probably
don't want but the list may help you get organized.
The suggested contents of a "bug-out" bag vary, but most of the
following are usually included:
Enough food and water to last for 72 hours. This includes:
Water for washing, drinking and cooking. Canada recommends 2 litres
per person per day for drinking plus an additional 2 litres per
person per day for cleaning and
hygiene.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-14>[15]
New Zealand recommends 3 litres per person per day for
drinking<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-15>[16]
US recommends 1 gallon (3.78 litres) per person per
day.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-16>[17]
Non-perishable food<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-17>[18]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_purification>water purification supplies
Cooking supplies<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-18>[19]
A <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aid_kit>first aid
kit<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-19>[20]
Fire starting tool (e.g., matches,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocerium>ferrocerium rod,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighter>lighter, etc.)
A disaster plan including location of emergency centers, rallying
points, possible evacuation routes etc.
Professional emergency literature explaining what to do in various
types of disaster, studied and understood before the actual disaster
but kept for reference
Maps and travel
information<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-20>[21]
Standard camping equipment, including sanitation
supplies<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-21>[22]
Weather appropriate clothing (e.g.,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poncho>poncho, headwear, gloves, etc.)
Bedding items such as sleeping bags and
blankets<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-22>[23]
Enough medicine to last an extended evacuation period
Medical records
Pet, child, and elderly care
needs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-23>[24]
Battery or crank operated
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_radio>Radio.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-24>[25]
Lighting (battery or crank operated
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashlight>flashlight,
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glow_stick>glow
sticks).<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag#cite_note-25>[26]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms>Firearms and appropriate
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammunition>ammunition
Cash and change, as electronic banking transactions may not be
available during the initial period following an emergency or
evacuation
Positive Identification, such as drivers license, state I.D. card, or
social security card
Fixed-blade and folding knife
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_Tape>Duct Tape and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope>rope/<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracord>paracord
Plastic tarps for shelter and water collection
Slingshot, pellet gun, blowgun or other small game hunting equipment
Wire for binding and animal traps
The above list was developed (I think) in Australia. The following
list was developed by the city of Torrence CA.
Evacuation Bags
(Bags should be easy to carry. Bags should have an ID tag and should
be kept at home, work and in a vehicle. The following are recommended
for an evacuation bag:
Water, food, and manual can opener
Flashlight
Radio, battery operated
Batteries
Whistle
Pocket knife
Personal medications and prescriptions
Extra keys to house and vehicle
Basic first aid kit
Walking shoes, warm clothes, a hat, and rain gear
Extra prescription eye glasses, hearing aid or other vital personal items
Toilet paper, plastic bags and other hygiene supplies
Dust mask
Paper, pens and tape for leaving messages
Cash
Copies of insurance and identification cards
Any special items for children and seniors or people with disabilities
The Red Cross website also has recommendations. The RC recommends
that you notify friends & family where you are going & when they can
expect to hear from you next. And, of course, listen to local
advisories & evacuate when they recommend it....better safe than
sorry.
I hope you don't ever have to evacuate but being prepared is the best thing.
Eric
--
"San Francisco has only one drawback. 'Tis hard to leave." - Rudyard Kipling
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My mother was forced to evacuate her farm a couple of years ago. She had time
to grab seven dogs, a cat, her computer, and a big jug of JD. She says she has
no regrets about her choices.
and a few years earlier
My (ex) stepmother, on the other hand, just *had* to go back to her place for
one more carload of stuff. All they found of her after the fire had moved on
was burned bones and dental fillings.
Keep it simple.
Andy
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I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres.
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y’all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for
> cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very
> hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y’all are all
> invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the
> pond but there is some. Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then.
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit
> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
>
> See y’all there!
> Allan
________________________________
UT Southwestern Medical Center
The future of medicine, today.
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Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would
raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when
they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't
four-wheelers cause the same problems?
Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick <
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:
> I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you
> try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
>
> > Allan,
> >
> > I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500
> acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the
> terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are
> there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden?
> My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit
> sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also
> want to bring theirs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fritz Holt
> >
> > From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> > To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> > Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
> >
> > Howdy y’all!
> >
> > No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the
> site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless
> to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there
> WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill
> for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
> >
> > Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get
> very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really
> hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where
> you park.
> >
> > If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
> >
> > The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire
> and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
> >
> > TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
> >
> > We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may
> prevent a disaster.
> >
> > OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
> >
> > The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y’all are
> all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in
> the pond but there is some. Let’s hope we get some rain between now and
> then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive
> slow when you are off the pavement.
> >
> > For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit
> www.oztotl.com/tcr.
> >
> > See y’all there!
> > Allan
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> The future of medicine, today.
>
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I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer
and talking...
From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause
the same problems?
Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick
<diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>>
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383<tel:214-645-6383> (phone)
214-645-6353<tel:214-645-6353> (fax)
On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres.
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for
> cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very
> hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all
> invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the
> pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan
________________________________
UT Southwestern Medical Center
The future of medicine, today.
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Indeed they would --- if ridden carelessly without regard for others. I
personally ride slowly to take in the scenery. Age is catching up to me and
while I can still hike, there are times I would rather ride. Other cavers seem
to enjoy riding my ATV also. I will abide by Allan's decision and rules.
Fritz
________________________________
From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause
the same problems?
Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick
<diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>>
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383<tel:214-645-6383> (phone)
214-645-6353<tel:214-645-6353> (fax)
On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres.
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for
> cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very
> hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all
> invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the
> pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan
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If that's the case then eliminate all off roaring on or off trails.
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From: Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:05:09
To: Mallory Mayeux<mmay...@gmail.com>
Cc: Fritz Holt<fh...@townandcountryins.com>;
Texascavers@Texascavers.Com<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer
and talking...
From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise
a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off
the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause
the same problems?
Mallory
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick
<diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>>
wrote:
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try
bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire.
Diana
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On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> Allan,
>
> I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres.
> My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain
> other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any
> ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little
> Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If
> permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to
> bring theirs.
>
> Thanks,
> Fritz Holt
>
> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM
> To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
>
> Howdy y'all!
>
> No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site
> of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to
> say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE
> NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for
> cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents.
>
> Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very
> hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard
> to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you
> park.
>
> If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this
> unsightly but it is also a fire hazard.
>
> The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and
> it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind.
>
> TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules
> will be STRICTLY ENFORCED!
>
> We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid
> starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may
> prevent a disaster.
>
> OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking...
>
> The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all
> invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the
> pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then.
> Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when
> you are off the pavement.
>
> For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit
> www.oztotl.com/tcr<http://www.oztotl.com/tcr>.
>
> See y'all there!
> Allan
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