texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2011 20:50:58 -0000 Issue 1332
Topics (messages 18022 through 18033):
Re: tourist cars in Mexico
18022 by: Mark Minton
Re: Cavers' Message to Congress Concerning Cave Closures
18023 by: R D Milhollin
Headlamp question
18024 by: Mallory Mayeux
18025 by: Don Arburn
18026 by: Allan B. Cobb
18027 by: Tim Stich
18028 by: Allan B. Cobb
18029 by: Tim Stich
18030 by: Herman Miller
18031 by: caverarch
18032 by: Josh Rubinstein
18033 by: Stefan Creaser
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I think Peter Strickland may have paid the cash bond one
time and successfully recovered the money (or most of it) upon leaving Mexico.
I was not aware that there was an official requirement to
exit Mexico through the same border station that one entered
through. I certainly never paid attention to that and never had a
problem, even as recently as a couple of years ago. Never heard of
anyone having that problem. It seems especially unnecessary now that
they have all of the border stations linked by computer and can
easily cross check permits issued elsewhere. I couldn't find the
Spanish equivalent of the page Bill referenced but I did find a
Spanish FAQ, and it simply said that you have to cancel the permit at
one of the border stations rather than online. There was no mention
that it had to be the same one where you entered. That page was on
the Banjercito site (which actually processes the vehicle permits)
rather than the consular
one:
<http://www.banjercito.com.mx/site/siteBanjer/Bicentenario/iitv/con_preg_frec.html>.
It's ridiculous that there is still a $50 limit on "other
items" besides luggage that one may take into Mexico. That must not
have been updated for at least 20 years. These days you couldn't
take hardly anything, like an iPod, cell phone, GPS or nearly any
piece of caving gear without going over the limit. Of course I've
never seen that enforced either. They occasionally balk when they
see large amounts of new gear for expeditions, but even then a bit of
talk and maybe a brochure paves the way.
Interesting to see the requirement for anyone under 18
travelling without parents needing a notarized permission letter. I
had to have one of those on my first caving trip to Mexico back in
1968 when I was 17.
Mark Minton
At 03:26 PM 6/12/2011, Mixon Bill wrote:
I'm not sure that the alleged recent rule about deposits on cars taken
into Mexico is anything new. The purpose of using a credit card to pay
for the car permit has always been to allow the Mexican government to
charge to it a fee if the car is left in Mexico. A cash bond was only
required if you didn't have a recognized credit card. I don't know
whether that actually ever happened. The rule apparently also is that
you have to turn in your vehicle papers and leave the country at the
same point you entered it, but I've never heard of that being
enforced. See
http://portal.sre.gob.mx/was_eng/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=62&op=page&SubMenu
Of course, whether the Mexican Embassy knows what it's talking about
may be dubious.
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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lifted and edited from the mocaves list...
This is your opportunity to make your opinion on WNS and federal cave closures
known on actual floor of Congress; to the House Natural Resources Committee,
Subcommittee on Fish, Wildlife, and Insular Affairs.
Please spread this email as far and wide as you can. Talk about it in your
grottos. Make sure your officers see this, and that a response is sent to
Peter ASAP, so he can add your insight to the information he is amassing.
Peter Youngbaer, NSS WNS Liaison has been asked to testify and let Congress
know the cavers' viewpoint at the end of June. Mr. Youngbaer is also with the
Northeast Cave Conservancy, the cave conservancy which covers upper New York
state, site of the first WNS cases. He needs support from Texas cavers letting
Congress know, in no uncertain terms, what we think of federal WNS
management decisions. He needs Texas cavers to spread the word, and get him
some usable data and opinion to support the cavers' case that cave closure
needs to be on a targeted basis, and that with proper care, cavers are NOT a
threat to bats.
Responses should be directed to
NSS WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer, at wnsliai...@caves.org
as soon as possible. It does not matter if you are an NSS member or not. If so,
mentioned it, but if you wild cave in Texas, he wants to hear from you.
(Thanks to Jo Schaper for posting the original message)
His words:
"I'd be interested in anything specific you'd like me to say - any particular
points to stress. For context, they are planning only one
panel this time, with US Fish and Wildlife, US Forest Service, US
Geological Survey, Bat Conservation International, and the NSS. They
may also try to add a farm agency from USDA, but he said "they don't
seem to be interested," which was a curious, albeit candid comment to
receive from a staffer."
... the NSS is working to change blanket closure orders to targeted ones, and
that I have been invited to testify before Congress on June 24. I need to
submit written testimony by the 21st, and am planning to make some
comments about the US Forest Service actions nationwide. Any assistance
and information you can provide would be most appreciated.
Thank you,
Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
wnsliai...@caves.org
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Hello Cavers!
I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
money, is there something else you would recommend?
Mallory
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Wheatlamp!
Don's iPhone.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Cavers!
>
> I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
> opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
> money, is there something else you would recommend?
>
> Mallory
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Autolite Carbide Lamp!
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Arburn
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
To: Mallory Mayeux
Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Wheatlamp!
Don's iPhone.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Cavers!
I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For
the money, is there something else you would recommend?
Mallory
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I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money
out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine.
But for caving I would want a much tougher light.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote:
> Autolite Carbide Lamp!
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Don Arburn
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
> To: Mallory Mayeux
> Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
>
>
> Wheatlamp!
>
>
> Don's iPhone.
>
> On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Cavers!
>>
>> I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
>> opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
>> money, is there something else you would recommend?
>>
>> Mallory
>>
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I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable,
robust, and fairly water resistant.
In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well
for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work
just fine.
Allan
From: Tim Stich
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM
To: Allan B. Cobb
Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money
out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But
for caving I would want a much tougher light.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote:
Autolite Carbide Lamp!
-----Original Message----- From: Don Arburn
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
To: Mallory Mayeux
Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Wheatlamp!
Don's iPhone.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Cavers!
I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
money, is there something else you would recommend?
Mallory
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You could always search around the "Lost Petzl Cave System" for Melanie
Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new
O-rings. ;-)
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote:
> I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is
> dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant.
>
> In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked
> well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will
> work just fine.
>
> Allan
>
> *From:* Tim Stich <timstic...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM
> *To:* Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com>
> *Cc:* Don Arburn <donarb...@mac.com> ; Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com>;
> Texascavers@Texascavers.Com <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
>
> I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the
> money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work
> fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light.
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote:
>
>> Autolite Carbide Lamp!
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Don Arburn
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
>> To: Mallory Mayeux
>> Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
>>
>>
>> Wheatlamp!
>>
>>
>> Don's iPhone.
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Cavers!
>>>
>>> I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
>>> opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
>>> money, is there something else you would recommend?
>>>
>>> Mallory
>>>
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I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights
held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack "
http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 ", when I had
just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to
the eventual destruction of the original electrical connections. The Duo 14
was my primary before upgrading to the STEN and I would still recommend it.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim Stich <timstic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the
> money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work
> fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote:
>
>> Autolite Carbide Lamp!
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Don Arburn
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
>> To: Mallory Mayeux
>> Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
>>
>>
>> Wheatlamp!
>>
>>
>> Don's iPhone.
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Cavers!
>>>
>>> I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
>>> opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
>>> money, is there something else you would recommend?
>>>
>>> Mallory
>>>
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I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but
that probably isn't for sale anymore.
Roger
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From: Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com>
To: Tim Stich <timstic...@gmail.com>
Cc: Don Arburn <donarb...@mac.com>; Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com>;
Texascavers@Texascavers.Com <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable,
robust, and fairly water resistant.
In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well
for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work
just fine.
Allan
From: Tim Stich
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM
To: Allan B. Cobb
Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money
out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But
for caving I would want a much tougher light.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote:
Autolite Carbide Lamp!
-----Original Message----- From: Don Arburn
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
To: Mallory Mayeux
Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Wheatlamp!
Don's iPhone.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Cavers!
I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
money, is there something else you would recommend?
Mallory
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Allan,
I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The
battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the
light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen
by coating the connection with dielectric grease.
The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo
Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its
day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is
still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have
not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head
piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina
burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light.
Josh
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote:
> I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is
> dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant.
>
> In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked
> well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will
> work just fine.
>
> Allan
>
> *From:* Tim Stich <timstic...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM
> *To:* Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com>
> *Cc:* Don Arburn <donarb...@mac.com> ; Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com>;
> Texascavers@Texascavers.Com <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
>
> I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the
> money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work
> fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light.
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb <a...@oztotl.com> wrote:
>
>> Autolite Carbide Lamp!
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Don Arburn
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
>> To: Mallory Mayeux
>> Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
>>
>>
>> Wheatlamp!
>>
>>
>> Don's iPhone.
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Cavers!
>>>
>>> I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
>>> opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
>>> money, is there something else you would recommend?
>>>
>>> Mallory
>>>
>>
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I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's
still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is
more robustly made (for caving).
Looks like you can still get old ones:
http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300555317667
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM
To: Allan B. Cobb
Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Allan,
I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery
contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a
portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating
the connection with dielectric grease.
The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo
Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day.
Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of
the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is
not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with
water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no
longer the bright light.
Josh
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb
<a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>> wrote:
I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable,
robust, and fairly water resistant.
In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well
for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work
just fine.
Allan
From: Tim Stich<mailto:timstic...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM
To: Allan B. Cobb<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>
Cc: Don Arburn<mailto:donarb...@mac.com> ; Mallory
Mayeux<mailto:mmay...@gmail.com> ;
Texascavers@Texascavers.Com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money
out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But
for caving I would want a much tougher light.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb
<a...@oztotl.com<mailto:a...@oztotl.com>> wrote:
Autolite Carbide Lamp!
-----Original Message----- From: Don Arburn
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
To: Mallory Mayeux
Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Wheatlamp!
Don's iPhone.
On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux
<mmay...@gmail.com<mailto:mmay...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Cavers!
I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some
opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the
money, is there something else you would recommend?
Mallory
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