texascavers Digest 5 Sep 2013 03:21:09 -0000 Issue 1837
Topics (messages 22585 through 22594):
Re: OTR (was Mars has Rocks)
22585 by: Julia Germany
Cave related earthquake
22586 by: David
22587 by: Charles Goldsmith
Excel help with World Karst Map project
22588 by: George Veni
Call for Excel help filled
22589 by: George Veni
Cave Spring update
22590 by: David
Mallory Update, Tuesday, Sept.3, 2013
22591 by: Emily McGowan
22592 by: Sheryl Rieck
Re: Non Cave related--Concrete arrows - interesting.....
22593 by: Louise Power
Government Canyon Karst Survey
22594 by: Marvin and Lisa
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Since next year's OTR theme is (loosely) based on Woodstock, someone needs to
start asking now to get Santana to be the main band for the event. If we are
tying it to Germany Valley, I might even offer......
Imagine the turnout. We could turn it into a fundraiser for the NSS.
I think I will put on some Santana now as I get ready to hit the road back to
A-town......
julia germany
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From: Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 8:55 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: OTR (was Mars has Rocks)
Sleaze,
Too bad you didn't make it to OTR. It was a hell of a
party, as usual, in spite of nearly being flooded out on Wednesday
and Thursday. (People were canoeing through the campground, which
then became a giant mud hole.) Nevertheless good times were had by
roughly 1500 people. The Oktoberfest theme (OTRberfest) was well
received. In my own case, we broke through in a dig we have been
pursuing for a couple of years that might provide the connection
between a couple of major systems in Germany Valley. It will be
historic if that comes to pass. Maybe you can make it next year when
the theme will be Cavestock (based on Woodstock), if anyone can
remember what that was like...
Mark
At 10:11 AM 9/1/2013, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
>Mars has rocks too, and I feel certain there must be a hole there
>somewhere even if it isn't in limestone.
>
>As to keeping it to caving, what a joke! For the last year or so all
>I have read on this list is a litany of age related woes, various
>personal disasters, and daily updates concerning a man made hole in
>the ground. As for news from Mexico, which is the main reason I
>joined this list, it might as well be located on Mars!
>
>As soon as anyone posts anything strange, interesting, or
>controversial some politically correct scold will sternly remind us
>to keep on topic. How excruciatingly boring!
>
>This creeping conservatism may be the inevitable consequence not
>just of the aging of individuals but of the activity as a whole;
>nevertheless, I, for one, do not intend to go gently into that good
>night. If you can't post an entertaining and well written account of
>an actual caving trip then at least tell a few bad jokes, issue some
>obscenities, give us some tips on trespassing, rant about some
>politics, or (my favorite) insult the beliefs of a few million
>idiots. Then, to keep on topic, use some convoluted logic to tie it
>back into caving. That is the nice thing about caving, it is a huge
>hole into which you can dump an unlimited amount of shit. So lighten up!
>
>Now for the real problem. Today, this very, day is the culmination
>of the very best part of caving, which is to say the Old Timers
>Reunion and I'm not there. I'm not talking about that silly little
>homo goat roping y'all Texicans hold, I'm talking about the real
>thing in WestbyGawdVirginia! Ann broke her foot so we decided not to
>go since she might be tempted to dance. It is a tragedy!
>
>Sleazeweazel
>
>PS: And David, please keep sending your missives from the Red
>Planet, I find them to be at least mildly entertaining even if not
>comprehensible. If nothing else the caving community serves as a
>home for wayward weirdos so we both fit right in!
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Deep in east Texas there was an earthquake today directly centered under
"Cave Spring." I have been to this place. It is a small but scenic rock
shelter with a tiny stream flowing out of it. It is worth sending a
student from SFASU to go check it out. It would be interesting to test
the water, and write a report for the Texas Caver.
A nice color photo of the entrance is on the cover of SpeleoSpace around
1994 or 95.
David Locklear
homeless quicker than
I thought
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I didn't realize there was a cave there, but there were actually two quakes
of note, a 4.1 and then a 4.0, later upgraded to a 4.3, per the USGS.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb000jfey#summary
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usb000jfgm#summary
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Deep in east Texas there was an earthquake today directly centered under
> "Cave Spring." I have been to this place. It is a small but scenic rock
> shelter with a tiny stream flowing out of it. It is worth sending a
> student from SFASU to go check it out. It would be interesting to test
> the water, and write a report for the Texas Caver.
>
> A nice color photo of the entrance is on the cover of SpeleoSpace around
> 1994 or 95.
>
> David Locklear
> homeless quicker than
> I thought
>
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NCKRI is involved with a variety of partners in developing a new and fully
digital, GIS-based World Karst Map. I'm coordinating the collection of data
from North America. The USGS is assembling data on major US karst springs, but
I got an e-mail today asking if I could find someone who is skilled with Excel
to help with reformatting US data into the format needed for the World Karst
Map project. The work would be done over the next couple of months. I haven't
seen the volume of data involved but understand that the amount of time needed
will depend at least in part on the person's skill level with Excel.
If you are interested in volunteering to help with this (everyone, including
USGS and NCKRI is volunteering their time on this project), let me know and
I'll connect you with the USGS people working on this. I just need one person,
so this will go to the first person I hear from, although I'll take back-up
names just in case they are needed.
Thanks,
George
********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
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My thanks for the quick replies to my call for Excel help with the World Karst
Map project! I have someone set up now to work on the project and one on
standby if extra help is needed.
George
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
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Some of you asked about the rock shelter formation near Timpson, Texas.
I found one web-site mentioning it,
http://batsoftexas.com/species/perimyotis-subflavus/
"cave between Timpson and Gary, 1 (SFASU); 3 mi N Timpson on Rose Hill Rd.,
Cave Springs"
That is about a mile east of where my fuzzy memory tells me it was located.
I looked at Google satelite imagery and couldn't find anything that
looked familiar.
map coordinates of
31.945899,-94.396453 would be a wild guess only, as it has been 20 years
since I was
there. That should be within 2 miles of it though. The locals know
about it, but I
don't know if they have a name for it, or even if it is still there.
I would guess that it is more of an interest to biologist, than cavers, as
I am guessing
there are microscopic organisms in the water. I missed a good photo of
a deer drinking in the entrance, when I first arrived there around 1987.
However, it is a scenic spot and nothing that scenic for many miles.
The water trickled out of a passage that was about 1 foot long and 6 inches
high and a 1 foot wide. That may be an exaggeration.
The cave was on private property about 100 feet north of a clay road that
dead ended and that road ran westward. Only 2 or 3 roads in that area
match my memory of that.
I bet there are similar features all over that part of Texas, and I have
seen 4 of them,
and looked for many others that were rumored.
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1141&context=sinkhole_2013
The best cave by far is Gunnel's Cave, which some of you have been in.
The picture link below was taken 2 years ago, of the resurgence entrance of
Gunnels's Cave.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6079/6110260428_5496c7fa50_b.jpg
I took a nearly identical picture in 1987. Since the formation is a
sandstone-clay material, one might speculate there would be lots of
erosion. If the angle of the photo
is the same, then the gravel bed was not there before. It is too bad the
locals didn't keep a recorded history of rumored events at this cave, such
as sorority hazing making the new girls spend the night in the cave, or a
hobo that lived in the the cave most of his life, or 2 teens that died
driving their truck off into the sinkhole, or arrowheads that were found in
the cave, etc.
I would guess that I have taken about 9 people to the cave, not counting a
caving trip around 1998, that several GHG'rs attended. It is 176 miles
from Houston, and 174 miles to College Station, meaning it is easier and
more fun to go caving in the Hill Country.
I would like to point out that old-timer Tom Warden of Texarkana was the
one that turned me on to all of the caves in east Texas, but his notes that
he left were quite vague, and it took some effort to find the 4 that I
located, the 2 others being Carey Lake Cave, and a really tiny
insignificant cave in the town of Lone Star.
It appears there is a lack of info on the web related to these
pseudo-caves. But the TSS does have a respectable publication available
on the subject, thanks to Jerry Atkinson.
http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/publications/images/EastTexas.jpg
An enthusiatic caver using the web, could probably discover a new
pseudo-cave in east Texas.
David Locklear
P.S. My new ex-girlfriend is offering me temporary shelter while she is
out of town. No idea how long that will last, as she is bi-polar.
Fortunately for me, she plans to be gone at least 3 weeks.
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>From her mother:
Mallory moved from TIRR Rehab Hospital to Touchstone Neurorecovery Center in
Conroe Texas on Friday. It is located at 9297 Wahrenberger Rd. Conroe, TX
77304. It is out in the country on a 26 acre lot. The place has different
houses for the people at different levels of brain damage. Mallory is
currently in Churchill but will probably be moved to Cornerstone to have
more independent living. They will make them plan their own meals and plan
the ingredients needed. This ought to be a first for Mal.
The place was beautiful and will be again but they are doing construction
now, so a lot of the pretty places are torn up. We like it though since it
is more like home. We (Steve, Caleb and I) walked out of the building the
other day and heard bugs. It hit me that I hadn't heard that roar of bugs at
nighttime in 7 weeks. Apparently, Houston has no bugs. It also smelled like
camping because the place has a lot of pine trees.
The ride out there is great, no real traffic. I am staying a hotel that
gives a discount for Touchstone. It is too far to commute from Mallory's
apartment. When we leave here, we can bring Mal home to Avoyelles Parish for
a couple of weeks before she needs to see her neurologist in Houston. We are
going to love that. If she is OK this week, I am going to go home during the
week next week to get everything clean and ready for her to come home. You
can't visit her until 4 p.m. and then until 9 but I still like to get home
at least shortly after dark, so I can't see her like I could in TIRR. I am
actually more worried about me leaving her. I have seen her every day for
what will be 8 weeks and been so protective of her, I am going to be the one
having problems leaving her. It was rough for her making the move to a new
place but she is doing OK with it now. She wants to get out as soon as
possible but understands she needs to get everything she can out of her stay
here.
The physical is going very well, the cognitive issues need improving. Time
and therapy will help. We found out before leaving TIRR she has a vision
problem, but we also need the swelling to go down before any correction is
made to her glasses. We stopped at her apartment on the way from Houston to
here to get more clothes. She got to see all the wonderful gifts, cards, and
other items that people had given her and she just cried she was so touched.
She couldn't believe how nice people have been to her. She was so
appreciative of everything that people have done for her. It really helped
her emotionally making the move to a new place. We had to bring things home
to her apartment because there was no room in some of her rooms and we
didn't want to lose anything. We had told her and shown the list we were
keeping but with her short term memory loss, she didn't remember plus it is
so different actually seeing things.
All of you have been wonderful and you are really helping Mallory through
this emotional part of the recovery. And you have helped me so much. Knowing
people cared so much gave me strength to keep on learning lots of new
things.
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Such wonderful news. Can you find out the name of the hotel? Maybe it is a
chain I have some points with.
Sheryl
Sent from my iPhone.
On Sep 4, 2013, at 3:44 PM, "Emily McGowan" <emm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From her mother:
>
>
> Mallory moved from TIRR Rehab Hospital to Touchstone Neurorecovery Center in
> Conroe Texas on Friday. It is located at 9297 Wahrenberger Rd. Conroe, TX
> 77304. It is out in the country on a 26 acre lot. The place has different
> houses for the people at different levels of brain damage. Mallory is
> currently in Churchill but will probably be moved to Cornerstone to have
> more independent living. They will make them plan their own meals and plan
> the ingredients needed. This ought to be a first for Mal.
>
> The place was beautiful and will be again but they are doing construction
> now, so a lot of the pretty places are torn up. We like it though since it
> is more like home. We (Steve, Caleb and I) walked out of the building the
> other day and heard bugs. It hit me that I hadn't heard that roar of bugs at
> nighttime in 7 weeks. Apparently, Houston has no bugs. It also smelled like
> camping because the place has a lot of pine trees.
>
> The ride out there is great, no real traffic. I am staying a hotel that
> gives a discount for Touchstone. It is too far to commute from Mallory's
> apartment. When we leave here, we can bring Mal home to Avoyelles Parish for
> a couple of weeks before she needs to see her neurologist in Houston. We are
> going to love that. If she is OK this week, I am going to go home during the
> week next week to get everything clean and ready for her to come home. You
> can't visit her until 4 p.m. and then until 9 but I still like to get home
> at least shortly after dark, so I can't see her like I could in TIRR. I am
> actually more worried about me leaving her. I have seen her every day for
> what will be 8 weeks and been so protective of her, I am going to be the one
> having problems leaving her. It was rough for her making the move to a new
> place but she is doing OK with it now. She wants to get out as soon as
> possible but understands she needs to get everything she can out of her stay
> here.
>
> The physical is going very well, the cognitive issues need improving. Time
> and therapy will help. We found out before leaving TIRR she has a vision
> problem, but we also need the swelling to go down before any correction is
> made to her glasses. We stopped at her apartment on the way from Houston to
> here to get more clothes. She got to see all the wonderful gifts, cards, and
> other items that people had given her and she just cried she was so touched.
> She couldn't believe how nice people have been to her. She was so
> appreciative of everything that people have done for her. It really helped
> her emotionally making the move to a new place. We had to bring things home
> to her apartment because there was no room in some of her rooms and we
> didn't want to lose anything. We had told her and shown the list we were
> keeping but with her short term memory loss, she didn't remember plus it is
> so different actually seeing things.
>
> All of you have been wonderful and you are really helping Mallory through
> this emotional part of the recovery. And you have helped me so much. Knowing
> people cared so much gave me strength to keep on learning lots of new
> things.
>
>
>
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Has anybody seen these when they were out in the middle of nowhere. My sister
sent this to me, but the whole thing was too big to send thru the mailing list,
so I reduced it to the link. The other parr had pix and a map. If anyone wants
to see the whole thing, send me an individual messaga and I'll forward it to
you. The route went from NYC diagonally to San Francisco.
Have you ever heard of this or seen any of
them??
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/res/Education_in_BLM/Learning_Landscapes/For_Kids/History_Mystery/hm4/arrowhead_answers.htm
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The karst survey project at Government Canyon State Natural Area will resume
on the first weekend of October - Oct. 5 and 6. Activities will take place
on both days. Free, private camping is available. Contact me to set it up.
The Government Canyon Karst Survey is a joint TSA/TPWD project with the
goals of exploring the entire SNA area for caves and recharge features and
documenting those features. We ridgewalk, dig sinks, and explore, survey,
and map the caves we find. The project was started in 1993 when the Texas
Park System acquired the original 4,717 acres. The SNA has grown to include
more than 11,000 acres within its present boundaries. So far the project has
documented 52 caves and 362 karst features. We have walked less than half of
the current SNA area, so be assured - the big caves are yet to be found.
Enter the SNA at the main gate and then take the first right. There is an
unlocked gate that will need to be opened and then closed behind you.
Continue approximately 1 mile to the Volunteer/Research Station, where we
will meet at 9:00 both mornings.
Marvin Miller
(210) 415-5190
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