texascavers Digest 6 Dec 2012 20:47:53 -0000 Issue 1674
Topics (messages 21093 through 21100):
Re: El Paso Cave Man
21093 by: Louise Power
21095 by: Scott Boyd
21096 by: Alberto Barud
Re: end of the world
21094 by: Steve Keselik
Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas
21097 by: Geary Schindel
21098 by: rafal kedzierski
21099 by: Geary Schindel
21100 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
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What does Texas law say about living in a cave? Is it on private or public land
(although there's almost no public land in Texas). Is he damaging the cave? (I
guess rubbing up against the walls and speleothems is damage.
From: pns_...@bellsouth.net
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:58:58 -0600
Subject: [Texascavers] El Paso Cave Man
Here is some Yahoo news from west Texas.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/cave-man-el-paso-texas-144559675.html
Preston in KY
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I haven't lived in El Paso in about 35 years, but if I remember correctly,
McKelligon Canyon is a city park IN El Paso, not "outside El Paso". That
would be public land, right?
Scott
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> What does Texas law say about living in a cave? Is it on private or
> public land (although there's almost no public land in Texas). Is he
> damaging the cave? (I guess rubbing up against the walls and speleothems is
> damage.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pns_...@bellsouth.net
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:58:58 -0600
> Subject: [Texascavers] El Paso Cave Man
>
>
> Here is some Yahoo news from west Texas.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/cave-man-el-paso-texas-144559675.html
>
>
> Preston in KY
>
>
>
>
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I am from Juarez Mexico and know the area fairly well. McKellygon Canyon is
within the Franklin Mountains State Park, managed by TPWD. However there is
a lot of surrounding private land not very suitable for development due to
high topographic relief. Perhaps this guy is living in one of those areas.
That is inexpenssive housing, for sure...
Dr. Beto Barud
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Scott Boyd <scottd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't lived in El Paso in about 35 years, but if I remember correctly,
> McKelligon Canyon is a city park IN El Paso, not "outside El Paso". That
> would be public land, right?
>
> Scott
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> What does Texas law say about living in a cave? Is it on private or
>> public land (although there's almost no public land in Texas). Is he
>> damaging the cave? (I guess rubbing up against the walls and speleothems is
>> damage.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: pns_...@bellsouth.net
>> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:58:58 -0600
>> Subject: [Texascavers] El Paso Cave Man
>>
>>
>> Here is some Yahoo news from west Texas.
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/cave-man-el-paso-texas-144559675.html
>>
>>
>> Preston in KY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Are you offering?Should be plenty there if you're willing to hike for
it,at least you'll feel like you're dead for the first hour or
so,then.................!
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Benjamin Yasui <benya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who's bringing the Kool-aid?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> I think the Mayans, like most of the American Indians, were not
>> usually in too much of a hurry. Take you time with the celebrating.
>> I'm going casual for this one.
>> --Ediger
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Steve Keselik <skese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm pretty sure this is a multi day event so take your pick
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> There are two different correlations between the Maya longcount and the
>> >> Gregorian calendar. 13 0 0 0 0 being December 21 is the favorite in the
>> >> press, probably because of the coincidence with the winter solstice.
>> >> (Actually, the longcount changes at sunset on the previous day.) The
>> >> other
>> >> has it on December 23; this one is preferred by Austin's Mayanist and
>> >> one-time caver Barb MacLeod. Those disappointed that the world has not
>> >> ended
>> >> can party again the evening of the twenty-second, which is,
>> >> conveniently, a
>> >> Saturday. -- Mixon
>> >> ----------------------------------------
>> >> A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.
>> >> ----------------------------------------
>> >> You may "reply" to the address this message
>> >> came from, but for long-term use, save:
>> >> Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
>> >> AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
>> >>
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Folks,
Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve
in Edwards County, Texas. This was in support of some research being conducted
by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of Medicine. Two
of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured around the porch
areas. Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy Orsburn Murray a
researcher at Baylor.
We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects
for Chagas. We ran the PCRs yesterday. I wanted to let you know that 3 of the
4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine. It was still
alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We took
the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was
positive. This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of the
cabins. We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can identify
the source of the blood meal. If human, do you know who was in that cabin at
the time of the collection? Perhaps we should test those of you who might be
exposed to these insects. With such a high percentage positive, the risk for
transmission of Chagas could be high.
Let me know if you have any questions. We are happy to help.
Best wishes
Kristy
I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not
unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive. I have five
additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing. Chagas
is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped out
in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links on
Chagas information.
It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how
you sleep. I'm sure this will create some lively discussions.
Geary Schindel
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
(From San Antonio Express News)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease (From Wikipedia)
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/ (From Centers for Disease
Control)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956 (From Mayo
Clinic)
http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health
Organization)
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Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to point out
that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease is not only
trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not directly harmful to H.
sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any conclusion, how specific is the
PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR primers
used for detection tested against other related protozoa? Have the primers
withstood the test of clinical practice?
Rafal Kedzierski
DFW caver
From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas
Folks,
Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve
in Edwards County, Texas. This was in support of some research being conducted
by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of Medicine. Two
of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured around the porch
areas. Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy Orsburn Murray a
researcher at Baylor.
We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects
for Chagas. We ran the PCRs yesterday. I wanted to let you know that 3 of the
4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine. It was still
alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We took
the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was
positive. This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of the
cabins. We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can identify
the source of the blood meal. If human, do you know who was in that cabin at
the time of the collection? Perhaps we should test those of you who might be
exposed to these insects. With such a high percentage positive, the risk for
transmission of Chagas could be high.
Let me know if you have any questions. We are happy to help.
Best wishes
Kristy
I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not
unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive. I have five
additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing. Chagas
is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped out
in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links on
Chagas information.
It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how
you sleep. I’m sure this will create some lively discussions.
Geary Schindel
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
(From San Antonio Express News)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease (From Wikipedia)
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/ (From Centers for Disease
Control)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956 (From Mayo
Clinic)
http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health
Organization)
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Rafal,
I've forward your question to Krista and told her I would be happy to post a
response.
Thanks,
Geary
From: rafal kedzierski [mailto:rafal...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:29 PM
To: Geary Schindel; texas cavers tc
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in
Texas
Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to point out
that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease is not only
trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not directly harmful to H.
sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any conclusion, how specific is the
PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR primers
used for detection tested against other related protozoa? Have the primers
withstood the test of clinical practice?
Rafal Kedzierski
DFW caver
________________________________
From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org<mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in Texas
Folks,
Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin preserve
in Edwards County, Texas. This was in support of some research being conducted
by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor College of Medicine. Two
of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two were captured around the porch
areas. Here is the email recently sent to me by Kristy Orsburn Murray a
researcher at Baylor.
We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the insects
for Chagas. We ran the PCRs yesterday. I wanted to let you know that 3 of the
4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed triatomine. It was still
alive when we received it, and it had defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We took
the feces separate from the insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was
positive. This was the insect that said it was found under a rug in one of the
cabins. We are running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can identify
the source of the blood meal. If human, do you know who was in that cabin at
the time of the collection? Perhaps we should test those of you who might be
exposed to these insects. With such a high percentage positive, the risk for
transmission of Chagas could be high.
Let me know if you have any questions. We are happy to help.
Best wishes
Kristy
I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are not
unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive. I have five
additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for testing. Chagas
is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of cavers who have camped out
in the hill country over the years have been exposed. Below are some links on
Chagas information.
It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and how
you sleep. I'm sure this will create some lively discussions.
Geary Schindel
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carrier-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php
(From San Antonio Express News)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease (From Wikipedia)
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/ (From Centers for Disease
Control)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956 (From Mayo
Clinic)
http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health
Organization)
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Geary,
Could you or Rafal list the symptoms here?
Thanks,
Mark
From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:46 PM
To: 'rafal kedzierski'; texas cavers tc
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs
in Texas
Rafal,
I've forward your question to Krista and told her I would be happy to
post a response.
Thanks,
Geary
From: rafal kedzierski [mailto:rafal...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:29 PM
To: Geary Schindel; texas cavers tc
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs
in Texas
Just throwing gas on the fire of complexity of life, I just want to
point out that Trypanosoma cruzi or causitive factor in Chagas disease
is not only trypanosome in the environment. Most of them are not
directly harmful to H. sapiens. Therefore, before anyone jumps to any
conclusion, how specific is the PCR used by Baylor College of Medicine
for Trypanosoma cruzi? Where PCR primers used for detection tested
against other related protozoa? Have the primers withstood the test of
clinical practice?
Rafal Kedzierski
DFW caver
________________________________
From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:18:40 -0600
Subject: [Texascavers] Results of testing for Chagas in Kissing bugs in
Texas
Folks,
Back in June, I collected four kissing bugs from the Deep and Punkin
preserve in Edwards County, Texas. This was in support of some research
being conducted by the National School of Tropical Medicine, Baylor
College of Medicine. Two of the bugs were captured in the cabin and two
were captured around the porch areas. Here is the email recently sent
to me by Kristy Orsburn Murray a researcher at Baylor.
We finally were able to develop and establish the PCR for testing the
insects for Chagas. We ran the PCRs yesterday. I wanted to let you
know that 3 of the 4 kissing bugs were positive, including the blood fed
triatomine. It was still alive when we received it, and it had
defecated in the Ziploc baggie. We took the feces separate from the
insect and also ran PCR, and the feces was positive. This was the
insect that said it was found under a rug in one of the cabins. We are
running a blood meal analysis on it to see if we can identify the source
of the blood meal. If human, do you know who was in that cabin at the
time of the collection? Perhaps we should test those of you who might
be exposed to these insects. With such a high percentage positive, the
risk for transmission of Chagas could be high.
Let me know if you have any questions. We are happy to help.
Best wishes
Kristy
I suspect that the results from the bugs collected at the Deep Cabin are
not unique to south Texas and that many of these bugs are positive. I
have five additional bugs from Bexar County that will be submitted for
testing. Chagas is not a nice disease and I suspect that a number of
cavers who have camped out in the hill country over the years have been
exposed. Below are some links on Chagas information.
It is a personal decision on whether you should get tested and where and
how you sleep. I'm sure this will create some lively discussions.
Geary Schindel
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Chagas-disease-carri
er-may-be-threat-in-Texas-3650719.php (From San Antonio Express News)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagas_disease (From Wikipedia)
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/ (From Centers for Disease
Control)
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/chagas-disease/DS00956 (From
Mayo Clinic)
http://www.who.int/topics/chagas_disease/en/ (From World Health
Organization)
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