texascavers Digest 29 Aug 2012 03:22:25 -0000 Issue 1618
Topics (messages 20635 through 20645):
Re: More about carbide caving
20635 by: Mark Minton
UT Grotto Meeting - Wed August 29th
20636 by: Gary Franklin
Caving over Labor Day
20637 by: vivbone.att.net
Robots to Go Spelunking in Martian Caves?
20638 by: Lee H. Skinner
20639 by: Gill Edigar
Re: DistoX X2 Whatever.
20640 by: S S
Re: The Dirty Little Secret About CoQ10
20641 by: Fritz Holt
robots to explore Martian lava tubes
20642 by: Mixon Bill
Re: Meander PVC - combi
20643 by: David Ochel
20644 by: Fofo
20645 by: Mark Minton
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Unless something in the lamp catalyzes the decomposition of
hydrogen peroxide, that would do no good. (Iron works well.) In any
event, 3% hydrogen peroxide is probably too dilute to have much
effect. Interesting idea, though. With an oxy-acetylene lamp you
could cut through cave gates! ;-)
Mark
At 11:37 PM 8/24/2012, Don Cooper wrote:
I tried using 3% H2O2 in my carbide generator for a while, thinking a
little oxygen might make the light a little brighter.
-WaV
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Howdy Caver,
You are cordially invited to attend the next UT Grotto meeting
Wednesday August 29th from 7:45PM- 9:00PM
University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall (156 West 24th Street,
Austin TX 78712) http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html
Ellie Watson will present - The Ongoing Re-survey of Logan's Cave
Ellie is a hardcore international caver recently transplanted from the
Bexar Grotto to Austin. She has worked toward the re-survey of a great
cave with a 24.8 meter dome room and will share some great photos as well
as the aspects of a local project that was close enough to include
weeknight trips.
Bryce Smith will start the program with a short talk - Gypsum Caves in the
Panhandle
Bryce is a relatively new caver who participated in Jim Kennedy's trip to
panhandle to seek out and survey gypsum caves. Come out for the fun and
fellowship in Austin Texas and check out the adventures of these young
cavers.
For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see
www.utgrotto.org
Officer contact, trip reports, event calendar, and new caver training links
to beginner trips or vertical rope training are available.
Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for
happy hour specials. This area is the best place to park and meet folks
walking over to the meeting. Then after the official meeting, we continue
with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall
tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com
The UT Grotto Program calendar is wide open and needs you, the caver with
photos and a story to share about your adventures, scientific research, or
something else really cool. Contact me.
Sincerely,
Gary Franklin
UT Grotto Vice Chair & Program Organizer
512-585-6057
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ellie watson <ellie.tho...@gmail.com>
bryce smith <bag...@facebook.com>
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Who's got a good cave trip planned for this weekend? Unexpectedly, I have the 3
day weekend off. I need to go caving.
-Vivian Loftin
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Discovery news article:
http://tinyurl.com/8jkgvbx
Now can't you imagine a bunch of robots exploring leads in Lechuguilla? :-)
Lee Skinner
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I'm not sure that the dreamers have a complete grasp on it all, Lee.
But they should get something, at least, for dreaming.
--Ediger
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Lee H. Skinner <skin...@thuntek.net> wrote:
> Discovery news article:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8jkgvbx
>
> Now can't you imagine a bunch of robots exploring leads in Lechuguilla? :-)
>
> Lee Skinner
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I got a response from a couple people who are working on a board for the Leica DX and the newest model. The boards are still in development but they should have a release here in the next 6 months.
I'm so excited for my surveyor of one
-- Sent from my HP TouchPad
On Aug 26, 2012 7:39 PM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
This idea of paperless caving has been around for quite a
while. In addition to the Swiss site cited below, there was a
detailed article by Mark Passerby in the final issue of the now
defunct Caves.com Magazine (issue 9, circa 2004) about using it in a
caving project in WV. See
<http://www.cavediggers.com/magazine/9th.pdf> under Raders Valley
Project, p. 4. Of course a lot of the technology discussed there is
obsolete as better devices and software are now available.
Mark
At 09:12 PM 8/24/2012, Bennett Lee wrote:
>I've heard about azimuth/inclination mods to distos, but I didn't know
>there was a Bluetooth addition with software that imports the data and
>lets you sketch on a PDA.
>
> From the pics, it looks like you can get more accurate sketches because
>you can quickly shoot to every key wall and feature in the room and draw
>your sketch around the survey points (more or less real-time) right on
>the PDA screen. That's freaking sweet! Screw paper sketches, those
>awful high-angle measurements, erasure marks, and ANNOYING EDGES OF
>PAPER that get in the way of a great sketch, followed by manually
>entering all the data points, scanning in all the paper, and the long,
>tedious process of drawing everything a second time in Illustrator
>(sometimes by someone who has never even been in the cave), then
>months/years later you finally have a printable map. Seems like with
>this setup you have a complete map the moment you walk out of the cave.
>
>Holy crap! Why haven't we all switched to this?
>
>--Bennett
>
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>From: Fofo [mailto:f...@gzluna.com]
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:18 PM
>To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever.
>
>Hey Bennett.
>
>Sorry if there is some confusion, and maybe Serur was asking about the
>Disto just as a distance measuring tool and in that case, yeah, the
>D210XT is great.
>
>But there are some aftermarket modifications that can be made to the
>(now obsolete) Disto A3 that make it measure azimuth and inclination as
>well as distance, so it becomes an "all in one" survey tool (and if you
>couple it via Bluetooth with a PDA running PocketTopo or Auriga, it's a
>"paperless survey": http://paperless.bheeb.ch/ ).
>
>There is an effort to be able to modify the newer Distos, but it
>apparently has been much more challenging, that's what I was talking
>about.
>
>Take care,
>
>- Fofo
>
>On 24/08/12 17:07, Bennett Lee wrote:
> > I've been using the replacement model, the Disto D210XT, for several
> > months. I've been happy with it. Not waterproof, but dust/water
> > resistant enough to handle muddy caves, brief drops in water, and
> > cleaning off in my sink at home. More features than we need cave
> > surveying, but the ones we do need (units, single shot, max/min
> > distance) are accessible and easy to use. Plus the 3-line display
> > lets you quickly pop off 3 shots and average. Nice rubber grip. Runs
> > on 2 AAA batteries, which most of us cavers have on hand in the cave.
> >
> > Haven't heard about the issues Fofo mentioned--mine has been working
> > great. My only complaint is that the large screen is easily
> > scratched, but so far mine has been surviving cave abuse quite well.
> > I'm so pleased that I've been considering buying a second so I have a
> > backup that I can use while sketching. The D210XT runs $219 online.
> >
> > --Bennett
> >
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> > From: Fofo [mailto:f...@gzluna.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:09 AM
> > To: texascavers
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever.
> >
> > Yeah. Kevin Dixon made a batch of Disto X boards last year, and it was
> > probably the last one since some of the parts are obsolete and hard to
> > find (and the Leica A3 which this board fits is also pretty hard to
> > find now).
> >
> > I'm excited about the Disto DXT (the newer version), apparently there
> > have been several issues, but I hope that they figure them out soon.
> >
> > So, Serur, at this point it sounds like your best bet would be to find
> > someone who owns a Disto X and hopefully you can borrow it.
> >
> > - Fofo
> >
> > Mark Minton wrote, on 24/8/12 6:55 :
> >> The Disto X is no longer being made. However a newer version is under
> >> development. See
> >>
> <http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/01/digital-surveying-disto-x-replacement.html>,
> >> <http://paperless.bheeb.ch/>.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> At 03:07 AM 8/24/2012, S S wrote:
> >>> Does anyone know where you can get a DistoX or whatever the latest
> >>> revision is. And any feedback on these.
> >>>
> >>> Serur
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I have been taking a statin drug for several years and only recently learned of
the importance of also taking CoQ10.
Always open to comments or corrections.
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More power to anyone who can hitch himself to NASA's planetary program
for money to build toys. (Why does that sound familiar?) But
descending into a lava tube would not be a good way to investigate
Martian geology, because all you get to see is the inside of one lava
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Hi,
This - sadly - is saying that Meander has decided not to try and resume
the manufacturing of their PVC suits. (I think some of their
manufacturing equipment burned down earlier?)
Cheers,
David
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Subject: Meander PVC - combi
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:07:35 +0200
From: netopyr <neto...@arbenz.ch>
To: speleo Liste suisse Liste spel�o <speleo...@speleo.ch>
Liebe Freunde,
nun ist es definitiv so weit : Das Meander PVC Kombi ist Geschichte.
Eine Alternative ist nicht in Sicht. (Allerdings hat es noch einzelne
St�cke am Lager, so ziemlich die letzten.)
Hier die offizielle Mitteilung, die heute per e-mail kam
I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production
of CRIOU PVC coveralls.
The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding
process.
......
With my best regards, Gustav
Chers Amis,
�a y est - les combis PVC de Meander ne sont plus fabriqu�s. Pour
l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative. (Par contre il en a encore
quelgues pi�ces en stock - plus ou moins les derniers)
ici le m�ssage officiel, re�u aujourd'hui par e-mail:
I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production
of CRIOU PVC coveralls.
The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding
process.
......
With my best regards, Gustav
beste Gr�sse, Thomas
meilleur saluts, Thomas
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Ouch...
Does anyone know of a good replacement? Mine has patches on top of
patches (quite literally!). I found one that I'll be able to borrow from
a friend who rarely uses it, but I would like to find a replacement for
mine.
- Fofo
On 28/08/12 17:24, David Ochel wrote:
Hi,
This - sadly - is saying that Meander has decided not to try and resume
the manufacturing of their PVC suits. (I think some of their
manufacturing equipment burned down earlier?)
Cheers,
David
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Subject: Meander PVC - combi
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:07:35 +0200
From: netopyr <neto...@arbenz.ch>
To: speleo Liste suisse Liste spel�o <speleo...@speleo.ch>
Liebe Freunde,
nun ist es definitiv so weit : Das Meander PVC Kombi ist Geschichte.
Eine Alternative ist nicht in Sicht. (Allerdings hat es noch einzelne
St�cke am Lager, so ziemlich die letzten.)
Hier die offizielle Mitteilung, die heute per e-mail kam
I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production
of CRIOU PVC coveralls.
The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding
process.
......
With my best regards, Gustav
Chers Amis,
�a y est - les combis PVC de Meander ne sont plus fabriqu�s. Pour
l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative. (Par contre il en a encore
quelgues pi�ces en stock - plus ou moins les derniers)
ici le m�ssage officiel, re�u aujourd'hui par e-mail:
I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production
of CRIOU PVC coveralls.
The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding
process.
......
With my best regards, Gustav
beste Gr�sse, Thomas
meilleur saluts, Thomas
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I bought a spare Meander PVC suit a
couple of years ago as soon as I heard they were
to be discontinued. As I understand it, the main
reason for their disappearance is a general
European ban on PVC for environmental/health
reasons. In any event, I do not know of a suitable alternative. :-(
Mark
At 08:29 PM 8/28/2012, Fofo wrote:
Ouch...
Does anyone know of a good replacement? Mine has
patches on top of patches (quite literally!). I
found one that I'll be able to borrow from a
friend who rarely uses it, but I would like to find a replacement for mine.
- Fofo
On 28/08/12 17:24, David Ochel wrote:
Hi,
This - sadly - is saying that Meander has decided not to try and resume
the manufacturing of their PVC suits. (I think some of their
manufacturing equipment burned down earlier?)
Cheers,
David
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Subject: Meander PVC - combi
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:07:35 +0200
From: netopyr <neto...@arbenz.ch>
To: speleo Liste suisse Liste speléo <speleo...@speleo.ch>
Liebe Freunde,
nun ist es definitiv so weit : Das Meander PVC Kombi ist Geschichte.
Eine Alternative ist nicht in Sicht. (Allerdings hat es noch einzelne
Stücke am Lager, so ziemlich die letzten.)
Hier die offizielle Mitteilung, die heute per e-mail kam
I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production
of CRIOU PVC coveralls.
The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding
process.
......
With my best regards, Gustav
Chers Amis,
ça y est - les combis PVC de Meander ne sont plus fabriqués. Pour
l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative. (Par contre il en a encore
quelgues pièces en stock - plus ou moins les derniers)
ici le méssage officiel, reçu aujourd'hui par e-mail:
I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production
of CRIOU PVC coveralls.
The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding
process.
......
With my best regards, Gustav
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