texascavers Digest 2 Jul 2012 20:30:36 -0000 Issue 1584
Topics (messages 20288 through 20300):
Re: Maryland and convention
20288 by: Geary Schindel
Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
20289 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
20290 by: George Veni
20292 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
20297 by: Louise Power
Celebration of Life
20291 by: Jenni Arburn
20293 by: Linda Palit
20294 by: Linda Palit
Texas prizes at convention
20295 by: Mixon Bill
Address change
20296 by: George Veni
Re: Aftermath of the NSS Convention
20298 by: Preston Forsythe
Re: Latest WNS decontamination protocols
20299 by: Mallory Mayeux
20300 by: Stefan Creaser
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After leaving WV, Sue, Graham, and I drove to the D.C. Area to visit the folks.
There was no power in Lewisburg, White Sulpher Springs, Covington and
therefore no gas. There were two stations with power in Lexington with
moderate lines. We got some gas and drinks and made it into Maryland. There
was power in some places in the Shanandoah valley and nerthern Va. My folks
are without power but the houses behind us have power. We have run a cord over
to there house to keep the fridge going. Very few gas stations in the area are
open and some have run out of gas. We did have a great meal using the propane
grill
Sent from my Samsung Captivate(tm) on AT&T
Floyd Hebert <heber...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Cavers,
I'm living in Abilene, TX for the next 6 months to a year, and I interested to
know if there are any caves in the surrounding area. I know there once was a
very strong Abilene Grotto, but that is has long since been abandoned. If no
one knows about any caves, contact information of some old Abilene Grotto
members would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Floyd
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Sunday Evening
We are still in the Great Eastern Power Outage. For those NOT at the
convention in Lewisburg, The power from Ohio through West Virginia, Virginia,
DC, Rhode Island and parts of New Jersey and North Carolina, and, in Lewisburg,
went out just as the awards ceremonies at the NSS Banquet started. The weather
was hot but otherwise wonderful all week, but the NSS convention weather
fortune continued on Friday night!
The power went out and killed the projectors and sound after most had finished
eating, and speakers bravely shoutedawards the names of the new Fellows. Then,
when Art Palmer rose to accept his well-deserved award, the Great Gust arrived,
clearing the campground (literally) and blowing some tents over 1/4 mile - we
later saw one flattened tent pinned against the fence around the Fair Grounds
on the East side of the one-way road to the south (just south of the limbs of a
huge fallen tree which blocked the highway). After the wind threatened the
integrity of the doors to the banquet hall, the ceremonies deteriorated
further.
All roads from the "normal" exit from our part of the Fair Grounds were blocked
by numerous fallen trees. By some devious route-finding (and an unexpectedly
unlocked gate), we found our way across the Fair Grounds and out to the one-way
road on the other side, heading north. A bit more devious route finding
across much lesser streets got us successfully to our hotel for a powerless
night. Hotel operators wringing their hands were amazed by our cheery room,
illuminated by several 200-lumen headlamps (operating on low and partial
power).
("Where did you get that??!!", they asked.)
("We are cavers", the reply.)
The next day was also beautiful (Saturday) but the extent of the outage in West
Virginia became apparent - it was NOT just Lewisburg. Refrigeration was out
everywhere, as was all power for any services, including pumping gas. It had
been our plan to re-visit haunts from 56 years ago around Cass, Senica Rocks,
Germany Valley, and Franklin. We had a full tank so headed north. All
services were out. We found one or two rural gas stations where the owner had
a generator, and the lines were 50 plus cars from each direction and rapidly
selling out of whatever gas they had in their tanks. The batteries in the
cell towers ran out and so did that service. Without power, of course there was
no internet. We found lunch in Elkins by going to the hospital cafeteria.
(Bright idea, Mary!)
Our thought was that we would not have any problems once we got east into
Virginia. Bad thought. Most of Harrisonburg and Staunton were either
without power or running on half-power(120 V, not 240v). What few hotels that
had power were swamped with people fleeing their homes. It was HOT! We
managed to find one OK motel with power and AC in a rural suburb, and scored
the last room.
This morning we found the local conditions somewhat improved, topped off with
gas, and headed back west across Shenandoah Mountain to the Cowpasture Valley,
Hot Springs, and Covington. Wonderful rural driving on another beautiful day.
Mary had heard me talk about wonderful West Virginia and this part of
Virginia, and was properly impressed. Power also still out in Covington and
Clifton Forge.
Power seems restored around Richmond and Williamsburg, although the rural areas
are still out. We expect to fly out of Richmond on Tuesday. It looks as if
airlines should be back on schedule.
Conventions are always interesting and often have an unexpected twist in the
weather. That describes this one, quite well.
DirtDoc.
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I've just flown back to El Paso from DC and am driving home to Carlsbad. I was
luckier than most, having camped in my rental car which survived undamaged,
dry, and with a full tank of gas that let me enjoy Saturday's hydrology field
trip and reach DC without any problem. There I stayed with my old friend Larry
Cohen whose neighborhood was an island of electrical power.
While we're incredibly lucky no caver was hurt in the storm (to the best of my
knowledge), the timing was terrible for the many people who have given so much
to caving and missed their moment of recognition. Dwight accidentally proves my
point in mentioning Art Palmer's award. Art didn't get an award. He was yelling
into the dark banquet hall, describing the accomplishments of the NSS' newest
Honorary Member Dr. Pavel Bosak of the Czech Republic.
Look in the NSS News in a couple of months to see all of the award recipients'
names, and make sure to give them the pat on the back they missed but greatly
deserve.
George
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave & Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
Sent by mobile phone.
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Subject: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
From: dirt...@comcast.net
To: Cave NM <s...@caver.net>,Cave Texas <Texascavers@texascavers.com>,TAG Net
<tag-...@hiddenworld.net>
CC:
Sunday Evening
We are still in the Great Eastern Power Outage. For those NOT at the
convention in Lewisburg, The power from Ohio through West Virginia, Virginia,
DC, Rhode Island and parts of New Jersey and North Carolina, and, in Lewisburg,
went out just as the awards ceremonies at the NSS Banquet started. The weather
was hot but otherwise wonderful all week, but the NSS convention weather
fortune continued on Friday night!
The power went out and killed the projectors and sound after most had finished
eating, and speakers bravely shoutedawards the names of the new Fellows. Then,
when Art Palmer rose to accept his well-deserved award, the Great Gust arrived,
clearing the campground (literally) and blowing some tents over 1/4 mile - we
later saw one flattened tent pinned against the fence around the Fair Grounds
on the East side of the one-way road to the south (just south of the limbs of a
huge fallen tree which blocked the highway). After the wind threatened the
integrity of the doors to the banquet hall, the ceremonies deteriorated further.
All roads from the "normal" exit from our part of the Fair Grounds were blocked
by numerous fallen trees. By some devious route-finding (and an unexpectedly
unlocked gate), we found our way across the Fair Grounds and out to the one-way
road on the other side, heading north. A bit more devious route finding across
much lesser streets got us successfully to our hotel for a powerless night.
Hotel operators wringing their hands were amazed by our cheery room,
illuminated by several 200-lumen headlamps (operating on low and partial power).
("Where did you get that??!!", they asked.)
("We are cavers", the reply.)
The next day was also beautiful (Saturday) but the extent of the outage in West
Virginia became apparent - it was NOT just Lewisburg. Refrigeration was out
everywhere, as was all power for any services, including pumping gas. It had
been our plan to re-visit haunts from 56 years ago around Cass, Senica Rocks,
Germany Valley, and Franklin. We had a full tank so headed north. All
services were out. We found one or two rural gas stations where the owner had
a generator, and the lines were 50 plus cars from each direction and rapidly
selling out of whatever gas they had in their tanks. The batteries in the cell
towers ran out and so did that service. Without power, of course there was no
internet. We found lunch in Elkins by going to the hospital cafeteria. (Bright
idea, Mary!)
Our thought was that we would not have any problems once we got east into
Virginia. Bad thought. Most of Harrisonburg and Staunton were either without
power or running on half-power(120 V, not 240v). What few hotels that had
power were swamped with people fleeing their homes. It was HOT! We managed to
find one OK motel with power and AC in a rural suburb, and scored the last room.
This morning we found the local conditions somewhat improved, topped off with
gas, and headed back west across Shenandoah Mountain to the Cowpasture Valley,
Hot Springs, and Covington. Wonderful rural driving on another beautiful day.
Mary had heard me talk about wonderful West Virginia and this part of Virginia,
and was properly impressed. Power also still out in Covington and Clifton
Forge.
Power seems restored around Richmond and Williamsburg, although the rural areas
are still out. We expect to fly out of Richmond on Tuesday. It looks as if
airlines should be back on schedule.
Conventions are always interesting and often have an unexpected twist in the
weather. That describes this one, quite well.
DirtDoc.
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Yes, Logan, it was quite chaotic. I don't think any cavers were hurt but
there must have been a fair amount of camping equipment damaged.
We ended up being both resourceful and a little lucky, and enjoyed two
excellent days touring the cave country of Virginia and West Virginia, showing
Mary some of the places of one of my miss-spent youths.
One of the bigger problems driving around in the powerless areas was that few
had credit card capabilities, so if you did not have real cash you were out of
luck. I saw that one gas station with a generator was limiting gas to $25 per
customer, but it was cash only. I seemed that quite a number did not have the
$25 that they could spare.
DirtDoc
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From: "Logan McNatt" <lmcn...@austin.rr.com>
To: dirt...@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:15:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
Thanks for the update, Dwight. We've been getting spotty reports and photos
through Facebook and from cavers who left early and missed the storm. Just
talked to Geoff Hoese. Fortunately, he and Aimee Beveridge left on Thurs in
his private plane .
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DD and all,
Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's
in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at
nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it
goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep).
Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting
time was had by all.
Louise
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:34:10 +0000
From: dirt...@comcast.net
To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com
CC: s...@caver.net; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
Yes, Logan, it was quite chaotic. I don't think any cavers were hurt but
there must have been a fair amount of camping equipment damaged.
We ended up being both resourceful and a little lucky, and enjoyed two
excellent days touring the cave country of Virginia and West Virginia, showing
Mary some of the places of one of my miss-spent youths.
One of the bigger problems driving around in the powerless areas was that few
had credit card capabilities, so if you did not have real cash you were out of
luck. I saw that one gas station with a generator was limiting gas to $25 per
customer, but it was cash only. I seemed that quite a number did not have the
$25 that they could spare.
DirtDoc
From: "Logan McNatt" <lmcn...@austin.rr.com>
To: dirt...@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:15:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
Thanks for the update, Dwight. We've been getting spotty reports and photos
through Facebook and from cavers who left early and missed the storm. Just
talked to Geoff Hoese. Fortunately, he and Aimee Beveridge left on Thurs in
his private plane.
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I'm sorry that I forgot not everyone is into Face Book. Thanks, Joe Ranzau for
the reminder.
Dear Friends, Family and Misc Loved Ones: Allan Cobb and Linda Palit have very
graciously provided us with space to celebrate Nick's life on Saturday, July 7
at 1122 Haltown, San Antonio, 78213. We welcome everyone who touched his life
from 11AM to about 4PM. Please being your own chairs, a potluck dish, happy
memories and photos to share. We'll have a keg of Shiner beer to toast with and
brisket. Don and I look forward to seeing you there. Hugs!
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On Sunday, July 1, 2012, Jenni Arburn wrote:
> I'm sorry that I forgot not everyone is into Face Book. Thanks, Joe Ranzau
> for the reminder.
>
> Dear Friends, Family and Misc Loved Ones: Allan Cobb and Linda Palit have
> very graciously provided us with space to celebrate Nick's life on
> Saturday, July 7 at 1122 Haltown, San Antonio, 78213. We welcome everyone
> who touched his life from 11AM to about 4PM. Please being your own chairs,
> a potluck dish, happy memories and photos to share. We'll have a keg of
> Shiner beer to toast with and brisket. Don and I look forward to seeing you
> there. Hugs!
>
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If you want to stay the evening, we will find you a place to crash. If you
are coming, please drop me a note so we have enough food, and please bring
lawn chairs.
Thanks,
Linda
On Sunday, July 1, 2012, Jenni Arburn wrote:
> I'm sorry that I forgot not everyone is into Face Book. Thanks, Joe Ranzau
> for the reminder.
>
> Dear Friends, Family and Misc Loved Ones: Allan Cobb and Linda Palit have
> very graciously provided us with space to celebrate Nick's life on
> Saturday, July 7 at 1122 Haltown, San Antonio, 78213. We welcome everyone
> who touched his life from 11AM to about 4PM. Please being your own chairs,
> a potluck dish, happy memories and photos to share. We'll have a keg of
> Shiner beer to toast with and brisket. Don and I look forward to seeing you
> there. Hugs!
>
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The UT Grotto T-shirt, with drawing by Don Arburn printed by Galen
Falgout, won the blue ribbon in the T-shirt contest at the NSS
convention. The cover for AMCS Activities Newsletter 34, 2011, won the
blue ribbon for photographic newsletter covers; photographs were by
Daniel Riordan and Franco Attolini, with layout by Bill Mixon.
I suppose photos from the traditional NSS convention weather event are
all over Facebook. On the way south from the convention, I passed
fleets of utility company bucket trucks (or whatever they're called)
headed north.--Bill Mixon
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I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "The
things your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain
to me how everything works." That's when I wake up.
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My home cable company was bought by another company, which is canceling my
gv...@warpdriveonline.com e-mail address. Please delete that address from
your address books and use my NCKRI address below.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
George
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George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
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Future NSS Convention Schedule.
2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle
2014-Huntsville, AL
2015-Rolla, Missouri
2016-Ely, Nevada.
Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion
about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are
relative.
By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the
moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects.
Preston in Outer Browder
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----- Original Message -----
From: Louise Power
To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt
Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
DD and all,
Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year
it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s
at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July,
it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or
Sep).
Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting
time was had by all.
Louise
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From: Sarah Richards <srichs...@gmail.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM
Subject: Fwd: Latest WNS decontamination protocols
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu
All,
Follow this link for the latest version of the USFWS WNS decontamination
protocols (as of 6/25/2012):
http://whitenosesyndrome.org/sites/default/files/resource/national_wns_revise_final_6.25.12.pdf
Note that hot water is the easiest and safest method available! I have
taken to cleaning the heavy stuff off my gear and then putting everything
in my washing machine (set on hot) to soak. I just fill up my washer with
hot water, put all my gear in there, close the lid, and leave it for 20
minutes. Then I pull out my helmet, footware, knee pads, etc. before
letting the wash cycle continue. Seems to work well and doesn't kill my
hands with exposure to harsh chemicals. Check the temperature on your hot
water heater and the resultant temperature of your hot wash cycle to ensure
that it maintains the 122-degree water temperature for the full 20 minutes.
Sarah
(Permission granted to repost as necessary.)
--
May you be well. May you be happy and healthy. May you be free from
suffering and pain. May you be filled with loving kindness. Namaste.
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May you be well. May you be happy and healthy. May you be free from
suffering and pain. May you be filled with loving kindness. Namaste.
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I don't think that's going to work well in my front loading washing machine.
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 3:09 PM
To: GHG; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Latest WNS decontamination protocols
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From: Sarah Richards <srichs...@gmail.com<mailto:srichs...@gmail.com>>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:06 PM
Subject: Fwd: Latest WNS decontamination protocols
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu<mailto:varl...@listserv.vt.edu>
All,
Follow this link for the latest version of the USFWS WNS decontamination
protocols (as of 6/25/2012):
http://whitenosesyndrome.org/sites/default/files/resource/national_wns_revise_final_6.25.12.pdf
Note that hot water is the easiest and safest method available! I have taken to
cleaning the heavy stuff off my gear and then putting everything in my washing
machine (set on hot) to soak. I just fill up my washer with hot water, put all
my gear in there, close the lid, and leave it for 20 minutes. Then I pull out
my helmet, footware, knee pads, etc. before letting the wash cycle continue.
Seems to work well and doesn't kill my hands with exposure to harsh chemicals.
Check the temperature on your hot water heater and the resultant temperature of
your hot wash cycle to ensure that it maintains the 122-degree water
temperature for the full 20 minutes.
Sarah
(Permission granted to repost as necessary.)
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May you be well. May you be happy and healthy. May you be free from suffering
and pain. May you be filled with loving kindness. Namaste.
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May you be well. May you be happy and healthy. May you be free from suffering
and pain. May you be filled with loving kindness. Namaste.
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