texascavers Digest 4 May 2012 17:18:36 -0000 Issue 1541
Topics (messages 19936 through 19950):
Re: Rope suggestions
19936 by: Fofo
19937 by: Stefan Creaser
19940 by: Mark Minton
Re: Topo Map Sale
19938 by: Louise Power
Re: Bill Stone article by Mike Taylor in Wired
19939 by: Louise Power
Re: Cascade Caverns, Boerne, TX
19941 by: Kurt L. Menking
19942 by: Mark Minton
19943 by: Preston Forsythe
19944 by: Lyndon Tiu
19945 by: Frank Binney
Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate
19946 by: Mark Minton
Re: Jim in Mississippi
19947 by: Louise Power
topo maps
19948 by: Mixon Bill
19949 by: Mark Minton
Re: End of an era
19950 by: Mike Flannigan
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Hi Mal!
Well... for a practice rope I would prefer an 11 mm one, because they
usually take a lot of abuse (by someone new "scratching" the sheath by
not opening completely the cam when downclimbing, etc), and it could be
a shorter one, like 50 ft, since it's going to be used indoors. Probably
something around 100 ft would be good too.
For caving, I prefer 9 mm, since it's lighter. 100 ft would probably be
the shortest length. 200 or 300 ft would be handy also. It also depends
on where you are going to use it!
If you only want one, well, 100 ft of 11 mm would work for the practice
and for shorter drops inside a cave.
Take care,
- Fofo
On 03/05/12 11:54, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
I'm looking into buying my first rope. (Mostly to be used in my
apartment, for our informal rope practice nights, conducted using a
ladder stolen from my apartment complex, and the wall of my upstairs
loft.) Anyway, I'd like to get something that will be useful for caves
as well.
So...suggestions, please! Is 50 foot rope too short for most pits? Or is
it useful? What brand/thickness would y'all recommend?
Thanks in advance for what I'm sure is going to be an interesting
discussion. :)
Mallory
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Yeah, that's what i'd do. 11mm is good, general purpose, rope. If you *must*
use it in a cave then use it at the first pitches so you don't have to carry it
far :-)
Stefan
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From: Fofo [gonza...@msu.edu]
Sent: 03 May 2012 14:05
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Rope suggestions
Hi Mal!
Well... for a practice rope I would prefer an 11 mm one, because they
usually take a lot of abuse (by someone new "scratching" the sheath by
not opening completely the cam when downclimbing, etc), and it could be
a shorter one, like 50 ft, since it's going to be used indoors. Probably
something around 100 ft would be good too.
For caving, I prefer 9 mm, since it's lighter. 100 ft would probably be
the shortest length. 200 or 300 ft would be handy also. It also depends
on where you are going to use it!
If you only want one, well, 100 ft of 11 mm would work for the practice
and for shorter drops inside a cave.
Take care,
- Fofo
On 03/05/12 11:54, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
> I'm looking into buying my first rope. (Mostly to be used in my
> apartment, for our informal rope practice nights, conducted using a
> ladder stolen from my apartment complex, and the wall of my upstairs
> loft.) Anyway, I'd like to get something that will be useful for caves
> as well.
> So...suggestions, please! Is 50 foot rope too short for most pits? Or is
> it useful? What brand/thickness would y'all recommend?
> Thanks in advance for what I'm sure is going to be an interesting
> discussion. :)
> Mallory
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11-mm rope is heavier than a lot of people like to use these
days. 9 mm is nice for expedition work, but has to be carefully
rigged because of its lower abrasion resistance. I'd split the
difference and go for 10 mm. It'll last plenty long and isn't as
stiff or heavy as 11 mm, especially after it gets dirty. I wouldn't
get less than 100 feet or you'll be quite limited where you can use
it, and ropes tend to get shorter over time as they get cut for
various reasons.. An advantage of 200 or 300 feet is that you can
set up a pulley and practice climbing longer distances. 200 feet is
probably a good compromise length. If your rope is too long you
won't want to take it anywhere because it is too bulky and
heavy. So, I recommend 200 feet of 10 mm. Happy climbing!
Mark
At 03:21 PM 5/3/2012, Stefan Creaser wrote:
Yeah, that's what i'd do. 11mm is good, general purpose, rope. If
you *must* use it in a cave then use it at the first pitches so you
don't have to carry it far :-)
Stefan
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From: Fofo [gonza...@msu.edu]
Sent: 03 May 2012 14:05
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Rope suggestions
Hi Mal!
Well... for a practice rope I would prefer an 11 mm one, because they
usually take a lot of abuse (by someone new "scratching" the sheath by
not opening completely the cam when downclimbing, etc), and it could be
a shorter one, like 50 ft, since it's going to be used indoors. Probably
something around 100 ft would be good too.
For caving, I prefer 9 mm, since it's lighter. 100 ft would probably be
the shortest length. 200 or 300 ft would be handy also. It also depends
on where you are going to use it!
If you only want one, well, 100 ft of 11 mm would work for the practice
and for shorter drops inside a cave.
Take care,
- Fofo
On 03/05/12 11:54, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
> I'm looking into buying my first rope. (Mostly to be used in my
> apartment, for our informal rope practice nights, conducted using a
> ladder stolen from my apartment complex, and the wall of my upstairs
> loft.) Anyway, I'd like to get something that will be useful for caves
> as well.
> So...suggestions, please! Is 50 foot rope too short for most pits? Or is
> it useful? What brand/thickness would y'all recommend?
> Thanks in advance for what I'm sure is going to be an interesting
> discussion. :)
> Mallory
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I'd also like to recommend that you spend a little extra and have them mounted
on linen. It makes them durable and packable; you can roll them or fold them. I
carried district maps around like that for years until the ink began to rub off
where we pointed at certain spots on the map too much. It may be a little
pricey, but it will pay off in the long run for those you'll be using a lot.
Louise
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:50:41 -0400
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net
> From: mmin...@caver.net
> Subject: [Texascavers] Topo Map Sale
>
> If you want paper topo maps, the USGS is apparently having a
> closeout sale for $1
> each!
> <http://store.usgs.gov/b2c_usgs/b2c/start/%28xcm=r3standardpitrex_prd%29/.do>
> . My guess is that paper maps are being eliminated, so this may be
> one of your last chances to get one. All USGS topo maps are also
> available on line for free. Texas is available at
> <http://www.tnris.org/get-data> and NM from
> <http://sar.lanl.gov/topo_maps/> in addition to from the USGS
> directly. You can also get a Google Earth plug-in for the entire U.
> S. at http://www.gearthblog.com/kmfiles/topomaps.kmz>; get the file
> called topomaps.kmz.
>
> Mark
>
> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
>
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Anyone catch these videos on www.ted.org ? See
http://www.ted.com/search?q=Bill+Stone
They're amazing and fun. Ted.org itself is amazing and fun.
Louise
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Subject: [Texascavers] Bill Stone article by Mike Taylor in Wired
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Didn't cavers recently put in a lot of volunteer time
helping fix that place up? Bummer that it might now be out of reach. :-(
Mark
At 08:11 AM 5/4/2012, Kurt L. Menking wrote:
Looks like Cascade Caverns is for sale. Or at least the last 40
years of the 99 year lease is for sale.
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Can the TSA, TSS or some other well endowed caver organization down there buy
it?
Maybe members or descendants of the old 1307 1/2 Kirkwood gang can buy it, then
let cavers stay there for $1/night and cave for free?
Preston in Outer Browder, KY
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For a million dollars!
--
Lyndon Tiu
On May 4, 2012 9:40 AM, "Preston Forsythe" <pns_...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> **
> Can the TSA, TSS or some other well endowed caver organization down there
> buy it?
>
> Maybe members or descendants of the old 1307 1/2 Kirkwood gang can buy it,
> then let cavers stay there for $1/night and cave for free?
>
>
>
> Preston in Outer Browder, KY************
>
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> "Preston Forsythe" wrote:
>
> Maybe members or descendants of the old 1307 1/2 Kirkwood gang can buy it,
> then let cavers stay there for $1/night and cave for free?
>
Hey Prestonif only those of us in the core of the Kirkwood Kavers hadn¹t
squandered our prime earning years as hippie caverswe might of ended up
with enough spare $$$ to purchase the Caverns. However, maybe some of the
next generation of cavers are better positioned financially to take
advantage of this great opportunity. I would recommend they ask Pete
Strickland to develop a pricing chart for cavers staying at the Caverns
similar to the one we had at 1307 1/2 Kirkwood: $1/night for sleeping on the
filthy living room carpet next to the bong-covered spool top table, $2/night
for the attic crawlspace, $3/night for one of the sleeping platforms in the
stairwell, $0/night if you were fortunate enough to be invited to share the
mattress on the floor in one of the bedrooms with one of the resident
Kirkwood Kavers. Good times!
Frank (original leasee of 1307 1/2 Kirkwood)
>
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Oxygen isotope ratios in stalagmites from Borneo have been
used to compare the effects of past climate changes on high latitudes
and the tropics.
<http://media.caltech.edu/press_releases/13509>
Mark
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Apparently Jim has made a decision not to go the e-mail route anymore. Here's
his response:
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:50:18 -0500
> To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Jim in Mississippi
> From: j...@backyardnature.net
>
> Hi Louise.
>
> I appreciate all the thinking you've done on the matter. If I'd had all
> the info people have sent me about ways to keep the subscriber list going,
> I might have continued it.
>
> However, now I've said too many good-byes and actually I'm a bit relieved
> to no longer feel obligated to get up at dawn on Sunday morning and
> deliver the thing. Among the 2185 subscribers you'd be surprised how many
> people told me they're sitting there waiting, and honestly I prefer that
> no body be waiting, ha. Trying to get the list going again just goes a bit
> beyond the threshold I set for myself. I'm still doing the Newsletter,
> it'll be there at the same time as always in the archives at
> http://www.backyardnature.net/n/ plus I'm doing the Facebook thing, and
> that's enough.
>
> A hacker in Houston wrote a program that "strips" each week's current
> Newsletter from my archives, makes an email of it, and sends it to anyone
> subscribed. So far he himself is the only subscriber, but if you'd like to
> join the list, drop him a mail at t...@mflan.com.
>
> In fact, anyone is welcome to take the Newsletters from the archive and
> resend them to their own lists.
>
> Anyway, it's good of you to have your interest and I appreciate it.
>
> Take care,
>
> Jim
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How times have changed. Back in the 60s (when I had to walk two miles
uphill through the snow to get to the Internet), I bought all the
topos for the cave region in Indiana for 18 cents each. In 1980, I
photographed all of them with home-made copy camera in my basement
onto 10x12-inch Kodalith Ortho film, using a color filter to drop out
the green woodland overprint, and the Windy City Grotto printed sets
of them on 8.5x11 paper using our ancient Multilith offset duplicator.
Amazingly, every detail is there, although a magnifying glass helps.
We sold the sets in a plasic zip-type bag. I've still got mine.--Mixon
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Along similar lines, here's what John Sweet of the BCCS said
about topo maps:
>Wow, 8 bucks for a topo map. I guess I'm showing my age but when I
began collecting maps they sold for 10 cents each and you could get a
40% discount by buying in quantity. I got a few at the 10c price
before it went to 20 cents, when I bought most of VA and WV for the
discount price of 12 cents each. Ten cents to $8 is an 8000%
increase over the course of 60 years.
JRS
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Mark
At 12:03 PM 5/4/2012, Mixon Bill wrote:
How times have changed. Back in the 60s (when I had to walk two miles
uphill through the snow to get to the Internet), I bought all the
topos for the cave region in Indiana for 18 cents each. In 1980, I
photographed all of them with home-made copy camera in my basement
onto 10x12-inch Kodalith Ortho film, using a color filter to drop out
the green woodland overprint, and the Windy City Grotto printed sets
of them on 8.5x11 paper using our ancient Multilith offset duplicator.
Amazingly, every detail is there, although a magnifying glass helps.
We sold the sets in a plasic zip-type bag. I've still got mine.--Mixon
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
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I am that hacker.
I tried to send the e-mail below earlier, but it
bounced back to me for some unknown reason.
Mike Flannigan
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Subject: Re: End of an era
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 06:51:43 -0500
From: Mike Flannigan <mikef...@att.net>
To: Cavetex <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
That Naturalists Newsletter is a very good publication.
You can visit the website and still view it. I have
already written a program that is going to run every
week and strip the newsletter off the website and
e-mail it to me. If you want to be on that e-mail
list, let me know.
Jim may be publishing a notice about this e-mailing
program I created in the next newsletter he puts out.
Mike Flannigan
On 4/29/2012 5:32 PM, texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
Subject:
End of an era
From:
Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com>
Date:
4/29/2012 11:38 AM
To:
Texas Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
CC:
Jim Conrad <j...@backyardnature.net>
It is with great sadness I call to your attention the end of an era.
Today marks the last time you will have Jim Conrad's marvelous
/Naturalists Newsletter/ delivered to your e-mail box. In his own words:
/NO MORE EMAILED NEWSLETTERS
Last weekend, Earth Day, issuing this Newsletter by email once
again caused my server, FatCow.com, to remove my whole
BackyardNature.net website from the Internet. They said the
Newsletters had been identified as spam. FatCow has told me that
henceforward if I issue more than 20-30 emails per hour they'll
take down my site. However, they are giving me permission to make
this one-time last mailing. Though I shall continue writing
Newsletters and placing them in my online archives, future
Newsletters will not be emailed.
> From now on to read the Newsletters you'll just have to remember
to check out the most recently issued edition at
http://www.backyardnature.net/n//
I don't know how may of you are Facebook users, but I am not. Why? For the very
reason that they do not respect people's privacy and disseminate their
information to a variety of other sites. I realize that any time you go online,
you take that risk, but I will make it as hard as I can for them to get mine by
being a non-participant in their little ploy to make $$$. I am not sure if
complaining to FatCow.com would do any good, but I for one intend to give it a
try.
Sadly Crying face ,
Louise
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