texascavers Digest 3 Dec 2011 05:21:27 -0000 Issue 1447
Topics (messages 19140 through 19145):
Re: 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
19140 by: Jerry
19141 by: Fritz Holt
The Big cave "Hang Son Doong" in Vietnam!
19142 by: Espeleo Coahuila
Bexar Grotto Holiday Party on Saturday, December 17
19143 by: Geary Schindel
Re: [SWR] Fenix HP-11 (Light, not a calculator)
19144 by: Mark Alman
Re: Ceremonial Cave
19145 by: Chris Vreeland
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I apologize for not being there, as I guess being at the TSA meeting is a
prerequisite for having an opinion on the business that was conducted there.
And yes, I would have probably noted at the meeting that it was unfortunate, if
not a little embarrassing, that no one on the Executive Council knew the
Bylaws, or had a copy to consult, --- and thought that only two meetings a year
was adequate for the membership based on the lack of business brought forward
by the officers. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, no ?
BTW - did read the minutes and noted the meeting cancellation, but thought it
was sorta like counting hairs on a hog to point out the obvious at the time
since it was possible that you were still going to be chairmen next year. Now
that Arburn has inherited the issue and Holsinger brought forward the question,
it's a whole new ball game.
Jerry.
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From: Mark.Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com>
To: Jerry <jerryat...@aol.com>; germanyj <germa...@aol.com>; Texascavers
<Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:01 am
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
If you would have been there, Jerry, you would have known that we asked if
there was anything pressing to address at a Winter Meeting.
Since all in attendance, minus you, determined that there wasn’t anything
pressing, we decided to cancel it.
Attend sometime or, at least, read the minutes.
Denise does a wonderful job documenting everything and Butch gets it posted
immediately.
Only 31 more days.
Mark
From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:20 PM
To: germa...@aol.com; Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a
TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because "it was close to
both the fall and spring meetings".
Jerry.
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When it comes to Texas caving` history and getting out the printed word about
same, I know of no one more knowledgeable and dedicated than Jerry Atkinson and
Carl Kunath. We owe them our gratitude. Mark Alman's work is not too shabby
either. Thanks to you all. Oh, and Denise, I think I love you.
Fritz
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From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:36 PM
To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Been there, done that, read your history, girl.
Jerry.
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From: Denise P <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
To: jerryatkin <jerryat...@aol.com>; Mark Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com>;
TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary.
The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until
meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round.
Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work.
You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again.
-Denise
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From: jerryat...@aol.com<mailto:jerryat...@aol.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a
TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because "it was close to
both the fall and spring meetings". The Winter meeting introduces the new
officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities
of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early
on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring
Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought.
..... sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much
thought..... just convenience ....
Jerry.
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From: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com<mailto:germa...@aol.com>>
To: Mark.Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com<mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com>>;
Texascavers <Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Well, that clears up everything.
So - three meetings were held in 2011.
And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012.
Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws
concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012.
Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark!
And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and
preferably in a cave.........
julia
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From: Mark.Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com<mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com>>
To: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com<mailto:germa...@aol.com>>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Yes and yes.
Mark
From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com<mailto:germa...@aol.com?>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I'm getting confused.
So, you did have three meetings in 2011?
So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting?
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From: Mark.Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com<mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com>>
To: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com<mailto:germa...@aol.com>>; JerryAtkin
<jerryat...@aol.com<mailto:jerryat...@aol.com>>; ellie.thoene
<ellie.tho...@gmail.com<mailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com>>; trhli
<tr...@sprynet.com<mailto:tr...@sprynet.com>>
Cc: texascavers
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
>From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution:
Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar
year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a
regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record.
TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of
all TSA members.
Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule
another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or
an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!).
As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified.
Mark
From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com<mailto:germa...@aol.com?>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM
To: jerryat...@aol.com<mailto:jerryat...@aol.com>;
ellie.tho...@gmail.com<mailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com>;
tr...@sprynet.com<mailto:tr...@sprynet.com>
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the "winter" meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to
reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for
2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I
haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must
take place?
As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy
of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make
sure you are following the rules of your by-laws.
julia
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From: JerryAtkin <jerryat...@aol.com<mailto:jerryat...@aol.com>>
To: ellie.thoene <ellie.tho...@gmail.com<mailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com>>; trhli
<tr...@sprynet.com<mailto:tr...@sprynet.com>>
Cc: texascavers
<texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership
meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring
Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another
meeting to comply with the Bylaws ?
Jerry.
In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
ellie.tho...@gmail.com<mailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com> writes:
Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page
http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that "Alman asked if people
think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the
fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business
Meeting. Seconded and motion carried".
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Hi Friends
The British photographer Carsten Peter, make a wonderful pictures of the
Hang Son Doong cave in Vietnam.
Enjoy it!
> Link:
> http://noticias.prodigy.msn.com/internacional/galeria-bbc.aspx?cp-documentid=30127920
>
> Moni
--
LCC. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. (fundadora)
Assoziatione Italiana Geografiche Explorazioni La Venta (socia)
Grupo Espeleologico Vaxakmen, A.C. (socia)
Association for Mexican Cave Studies (colaboradora)
Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
Union Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleologicas (Socia)
045-844-1478311 cel.
monicaponce1 by skype.
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Folks,
The Bexar Grotto of the NSS will have a holiday party at Sue and Geary
Schindel's house on Saturday evening, December 17, 2011. The address is 11310
Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. The party will start around 6 pm and will be
a pot luck dinner and holiday celebration. So, whether you celebrate
Christmas, Kwanza, Chanukah, Muharram, Lhabab Duchen, Rohatsu, winter solstice
or Amitabha Budda Day, please come.
Rules of the party - please read very carefully.
Cavers and guests are welcome; however, we would prefer that you NOT bring any
living non-human species unless they are service animals such as seeing eye,
hearing ear, or tasting tongue dogs or monkeys. Dead animals, properly
prepared and in an appropriate holiday sauce, are welcome and encouraged. We
will also have the grill fired up. Bring a dish with some food in it. Take
your dish home when you leave. If you see any dishes (or coolers) from last
year that are yours, take them home also. Don't take anything else home except
gifts. Please bring a can of food or other dry goods as a donation to the San
Antonio Food Bank. Though a limited amount of beverages will be available, you
may want to bring your own. Stay off the roof. The hot tub will be up and
running, please bring your own towel and bathing suit - or not. No fireworks.
If you must yak, yak outside (I prefer the backyard as this doesn't impress the
neighbors and has been known to remove the paint finish off cars.)
The Grotto has a customary white elephant exchange so bring a wrapped gift if
you want to participate. All white elephant gifts MUST go home with the new
owners. The white elephant swap will start around 8 pm.
If you want to or need to spend the night, we'll serve breakfast to everyone on
Sunday morning (you may be asked to help clean the house LOL).
Have fun,
Geary and Sue Schindel
210-479-2151 home
210-326-1576 cell
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Very good video on a very nice light!
Thanks for posting this, Pete.
For only $65, not a bad deal!
Mark
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From: Pete Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com>
To: Cavetex <texascavers@texascavers.com>; New Mexico Caver Mailing List
<s...@caver.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 11:49 AM
Subject: [SWR] Fenix HP-11 (Light, not a calculator)
Good video on very bright light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OENA7Jl4gsQ&hd=1
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That is a massive, sprawling, fantastic website. Easily the best &
most comprehensive out there for Texana & Texas history.
On Nov 30, 2011, at 11:49 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote:
Interesting Web Site
http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/ceremonial/index.html
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