texascavers Digest 28 May 2011 20:30:47 -0000 Issue 1323
Topics (messages 17918 through 17931):
Re: TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, October 14-16, 2011
17918 by: Frank Binney
17924 by: Rod Goke
17925 by: brewskyjba.gmail.com
Re: Some humans can echo-locate like bats!
17919 by: galen falgout
CBD to sue over failure to close caves
17920 by: Mark Minton
Trapped "to be a movie"
17921 by: Mixon Bill
17922 by: Frank Binney
Diggers
17923 by: TM Raines
17929 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
Center for biological Diversity petition to close caves
17926 by: htjohn1.juno.com
Headlamps On Sale
17927 by: Mark Minton
CAVING VEHICLE
17928 by: Fritz Holt
unintenional sewelunking
17930 by: Sam Young
Re: Diggers/ Kiwi update
17931 by: TM Raines
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Hi Ellie (and Allan)--
This is great news! Flat Creek Ranch--with its caver-created artificial
cave, acres of shady campsites, secluded private swimming hole, overhanging
cliffs for vertical work, miles of mountain biking trails, disc golf course,
and great hot tub/sauna locationhas long been many folks¹ favorite TCR
location.
I know it has often been a difficult location to book due to scheduling
conflicts with its primary focus as a non-profit retreat center for Child,
Inc. So I appreciate the work it must have taken on your and Allen¹s part to
reserve it for TCR this year.
See you in October,
Frank
On 5/26/11 9:45 AM, "ellie :)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Texas Caver Reunion (TCR)
> October 14-16, 2011
> Flat Creek Ranch, Johnson City, TX
>
> Hey Cavers,
>
> Here is the first announcement for the 34th Annual Texas Caver's Reunion! This
> year TCR will be on the 500+ acre Flat Creek Ranch in Johnson City, TX
> (www.txsranch.com <http://www.txsranch.com/> ) on the weekend of October
> 14th-16th, 2011. There will be lots of shady camping, swimming, and great
> times!!!
>
> We will have the usual fun stuff. It's going to be awesome.
>
> More info will be coming soon.
>
> Hope to see you there and have a great Memorial Day Weekend!
>
> Ellie Watson
> (Allan's Slave)
>
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Be careful what you wish for, Allan. Ellie has a reputation for doing her jobs well, and the most effective way to make sure there's no dust is to have lots of rain. During one past TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, we did have rain, enough rain that it inspired a new sporting event, ... mud skiing behind 4 wheel drive vehicles.
;-)
Rod
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From: "Allan B. Cobb"
Sent: May 26, 2011 11:47 AM
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, October 14-16, 2011
I’ve made it Ellie’s job to make sure there is no dust at TCR. If there is dust, please direct all dust complaints to Ellie!
Allan
From: ellie :)
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, October 14-16, 2011
Texas Caver Reunion (TCR)
October 14-16, 2011
Flat Creek Ranch, Johnson City, TX
Hey Cavers,
Here is the first announcement for the 34th Annual Texas Caver's Reunion! This year TCR will be on the 500+ acre Flat Creek Ranch in Johnson City, TX (www.txsranch.com) on the weekend of October 14th-16th, 2011. There will be lots of shady camping, swimming, and great times!!!
We will have the usual fun stuff. It's going to be awesome.
More info will be coming soon.
Hope to see you there and have a great Memorial Day Weekend!
Ellie Watson
(Allan's Slave)
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I remember that one. Everyone was lucky they got to eat. I remember trying to
cook and all it did was rain.
The only one worse for cooking was at Andy's swamp.
Bruce
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From: Rod Goke <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 06:48:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
To: TexasCavers<[email protected]>
Reply-To: Rod Goke <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, October 14-16, 2011
Be careful what you wish for, Allan. Ellie has a reputation for doing her jobs
well, and the most effective way to make sure there's no dust is to have lots
of rain. During one past TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, we did have rain, enough rain
that it inspired a new sporting event, ... mud skiing behind 4 wheel drive
vehicles.
;-)
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: "Allan B. Cobb"
Sent: May 26, 2011 11:47 AM
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, October 14-16, 2011
I’ve made it Ellie’s job to make sure there is no dust at TCR. If there is
dust, please direct all dust complaints to Ellie!
Allan
From: ellie :)
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 11:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR at Flat Creek Ranch, October 14-16, 2011
Texas Caver Reunion (TCR)
October 14-16, 2011
Flat Creek Ranch, Johnson City, TX
Hey Cavers,
Here is the first announcement for the 34th Annual Texas Caver's Reunion! This
year TCR will be on the 500+ acre Flat Creek Ranch in Johnson City, TX
(www.txsranch.com) on the weekend of October 14th-16th, 2011. There will be
lots of shady camping, swimming, and great times!!!
We will have the usual fun stuff. It's going to be awesome.
More info will be coming soon.
Hope to see you there and have a great Memorial Day Weekend!
Ellie Watson
(Allan's Slave)
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My mother is totally blind, She went blind young and she can echo locate! Its
relly cool the doctor told her bc she went blind before her senses totally
developed and her body corrected for the other sense she lost.
Galen P. Falgout
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Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:51:46 am
To: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
From: "Stefan Creaser" <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] Some humans can echo-locate like bats!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13539921
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Outrageous action by the Center for
Biological Diversity in the name of protecting
bats. See message below from Peter Youngbaer, NSS WNS liaison.
Mark Minton
CBD Files Intent to Sue in 30 Days if Caves Not Closed
by PYoungbaer » May 26, 2011 4:40 am
The Center for Biological Diversity filed a formal Intent to Sue in 30 days
letter with the Obama Administration yesterday, if the U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service, the U.S. Forest Service, and the Department of Defense
did not immediately close caves and mines on federal land.
Here's the press release:
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2011/white-nose-syndrome-05-25-2011.html
In the press release are two additional links: the first to the actual
rather lengthy letter; the second to a CBD web page, which delineates their
entire WNS campaign.
The formal letter is again addressed to Secretaries of the Interior,
Agriculture, and Defense (Salazar, Vilsack, and Gates), and chastises the
government for not acting on their more-than-year-old original petition.
It reiterates the call for closing all caves and mines on federal land
known to harbor bats - without exception. It reiterates the call for
amending the definition of "take" under the Endangered Species Act. It also
calls for designating every cave (used by bats or not) on federal land as
"significant" under the Federal Cave Resources Protection Act.
I urge everyone to read the letter in full.
Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161 CM FE
WNS Liaison
Cave Softly; Cave Cleanly
For the latest WNS info, check the NSS WNS website:
http://www.caves.org/WNS
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What the press release actually says is that the rights to make a
movie based on the book have been bought. That's _very_ different from
a movie actually being made, as any number of disappointed authors can
attest, and so can the fact that the rights had been purchased once
before.
Considering that the book is nonfiction, I wonder how much the rights
are really worth. After all, things like the plot, the names of the
characters, etc. are all in the public domain. I'd guess the would-be
producer just paid some small amount to avoid hassles.
--Mixon
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Bill speaks the truth about the vast distance between someone buying the
movie rights to a book and actually making a movie.
Reminds me of when Hollywood producer Bernard Schwartz bought the rights to
Shibumi and contacted me about being a technical consultant for the caving
scenes (Shibumi's writer Trevanian, aka UT Austin film prof Rod Whitaker,
borrowed heavily from the accounts of Marcel Louben's death in Pierre St.
Martin). Six months later, however, Bernie's scriptwriter wrote the caving
part out of the screen play--replacing it with the hero being trapped in the
basement of a skyscraper.
Just as well that the movie never got made! Bernard Schwartz, however, went
on to produce Coal Miners Daughter, Psycho II, and St. Elmos Fire.
-Frank
On 5/26/11 1:59 PM, "Mixon Bill" <[email protected]> wrote:
> What the press release actually says is that the rights to make a
> movie based on the book have been bought. That's _very_ different from
> a movie actually being made, as any number of disappointed authors can
> attest, and so can the fact that the rights had been purchased once
> before.
>
> Considering that the book is nonfiction, I wonder how much the rights
> are really worth. After all, things like the plot, the names of the
> characters, etc. are all in the public domain. I'd guess the would-be
> producer just paid some small amount to avoid hassles.
> --Mixon
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Attention Diggers,
Ernie says he'll be around both Saturday and Sunday if cavers want to
come out and dig in Kiwi Sink. The barrels are at the bottom empty,
and if they get filled I can come over and haul them out. Just alert
Ernie at 512-847-0183.
Come On Out, Terry
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One more thing to sweeten the deal:
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Rolling Oaks Club
FREE SWIM
Free Hot dogs
Meet the Neighbors
Saturday, May 28
1 - 8 pm
(hotdogs served 4 – 8 pm)
Membership Info Will Be Available
All are Welcome
Please bring your own drinks
(no glass containers)
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
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From: TM Raines <[email protected]>
To: TexasCavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 11:21:14 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Diggers
Attention Diggers,
Ernie says he'll be around both Saturday and Sunday if cavers want to come out
and dig in Kiwi Sink. The barrels are at the bottom empty, and if they get
filled I can come over and haul them out. Just alert Ernie at 512-847-0183.
Come On Out, Terry
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As many of you are aware, The Center for Biological Diversity is pushing an
online petition to close all caves managed by state or federal agencies. The
goal is to prevent the spread of WNS.
Found this recent link on a local Facebook page with the positive goal to
"Share El Paso with Native Plants and Animals."
http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6898
This is the link to the petition to close caves. At least one reader had
already responded to the request.
I commented on the posting and noted my objections.
Moses
El Paso
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Karst Sports is having a sale on headlamps. Even Sten
Lights are discounted! <http://www.karstsports.com/lights.html>
Mark Minton
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For anyone who may be interested in an older , large vehicle suitable for
caving. It is parked on a driveway on Wilcrest, one block south of I-10 in west
Houston. It is a 1995 Ford Bronco Eddie Bauer tudor with 148,000 miles. It is
apparently two wheel drive, automatic, leather, power windows, cruise, new
stereo, I pad adapter, blue tooth. It is dark metallic green and tan and the
tires have 8,000-10,000 miles of wear remaining. Asking price is $ 6,900. It
may be one owner and appears to be perfect with no blemishes.
It appears to be extremely well maintained. Don't know about the mechanicals as
I have not spoken with the owner whose phone
is 713-907-3390.
Fritz Holt
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>From News of the Weird May 22, 2011:
Wheeee!
In March, in Pierce County, Wash., a sewer worker, 37, came loose from a safety
line and slid about 3,000 feet through a 6-foot-diameter sewer pipe at the
Chambers Creek Wastewater Treatment Plant. He "could have drowned," according
to one rescuer, but he was taken to a hospital with "minor injuries." [Tacoma
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Four barrels have been filled and are now back on the bottom empty,
ready again.
Hotdogs at Four, Terry
On May 28, 2011, at 7:34 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote:
One more thing to sweeten the deal:
Rolling Oaks Club
FREE SWIM
Free Hot dogs
Meet the Neighbors
Saturday, May 28
1 - 8 pm
(hotdogs served 4 – 8 pm)
Membership Info Will Be Available
All are Welcome
Please bring your own drinks
(no glass containers)
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
From: TM Raines <[email protected]>
To: TexasCavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 11:21:14 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Diggers
Attention Diggers,
Ernie says he'll be around both Saturday and Sunday if cavers want
to come out and dig in Kiwi Sink. The barrels are at the bottom
empty, and if they get filled I can come over and haul them out.
Just alert Ernie at 512-847-0183.
Come On Out, Terry
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