texascavers Digest 22 Jun 2011 20:50:42 -0000 Issue 1340

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texascavers Digest 22 Jun 2011 20:50:42 -0000 Issue 1340

Topics (messages 18103 through 18120):

Re: NSS caving related
        18103 by: Geary Schindel
        18104 by: Diana Tomchick
        18108 by: Rod Goke

Some Bats Survive WNS
        18105 by: Mark Minton

BOG meetings
        18106 by: Mixon Bill

Cavers Assist Bats
        18107 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net

Recall for Replacement: GRIGRI 2
        18109 by: Mark Minton

House Sub-Committee Hearing on WNS this Friday
        18110 by: Mark Minton

off subject living conditions
        18111 by: felicia vreeland

Caver cheats death in icy tunnel
        18112 by: Frank Binney
        18116 by: Tim Stich

Teachers embark on subterranean journey for science - YNN - Your News Now
        18113 by: [email protected]

Re:
        18114 by: shannon summers
        18115 by: Sheryl Rieck

Re: Texas snake
        18117 by: Andy Gluesenkamp

Re: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
        18118 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
        18119 by: Andy Gluesenkamp

Re: STILL NEED HELP WITH RESEARCH.... Re: NSS STC Research Project: Close Calls 
Among Visitors to Caves
        18120 by: Geary Schindel

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Rod,

I think that is an excellent idea.

Geary

From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:04 PM
To: Geary Schindel; 'Rod Goke'; Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; 
Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; [email protected]; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa 
Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related


I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as 
TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
(the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, 
including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's 
Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each 
Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse 
East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each 
Grotto meeting).

Rod

-----Original Message-----
>From: Geary Schindel
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
>To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek 
>, Dorothy Mladenka , "[email protected]" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , 
>Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>Folks,
>
>Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
>October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
>business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
>well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need 
>to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday 
>night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are 
>traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel 
>is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are 
>appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many 
>of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also 
>usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto 
>has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
>
>It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
>libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
>generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
>web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
>there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
>spectators.
>
>I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
>then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some 
>years ago.
>
>Geary
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
>To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
>Mladenka; [email protected]; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
>Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
>TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would 
>it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that 
>people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they 
>felt like spending more time here?
>
>Rod
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Fritz Holt
>>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
>>"[email protected]" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
>>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>>
>>David and other interested parties,
>>
>>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
>>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the 
>>meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may 
>>still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave 
>>or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that 
>>would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? 
>>Has your computer been on the fritz?
>>
>>Fritz
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
>>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
>>[email protected]; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
>>Rieck; Charles Fromen
>>Subject: NSS caving related
>>
>>Dear caving friends,
>>
>>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>>meeting at different places each
>>year.
>>
>>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>>
>>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>>
>>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>>
>>1 ) Austin
>>
>>2 ) Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>>
>>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>>Convention which means in less than
>>a month.
>>
>>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>>
>>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>>
>>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>>
>>
>>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>>to drive to northeast Houston. But the people
>>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>>
>>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>>
>>David Locklear
>>NSS 27639
>>
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So are you volunteering to organize the BOG meeting in Austin? A few years back 
the DFW Grotto hosted one in Irving (home of the DFW airport), it was a lot 
less work and hassle than hosting TCR or the TSA Convention.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
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On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Rod Goke wrote:

>
> I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend 
> as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend 
> following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, 
> attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise 
> vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 
> (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto 
> meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao 
> Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together 
> before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" 
> at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, 
> etc. after each Grotto meeting).
>
> Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Geary Schindel
> >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
> >To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd 
> >Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "[email protected]" , hose , Keith Goggin , 
> >Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
> >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >
> >Folks,
> >
> >Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either 
> >October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days 
> >business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very 
> >well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the 
> >need to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on 
> >Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks 
> >are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG 
> >travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs 
> >are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). 
> >Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is 
> >also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar 
> >grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
> >
> >It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in 
> >libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - 
> >generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS 
> >web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, 
> >there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen 
> >spectators.
> >
> >I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - 
> >then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda 
> >some years ago.
> >
> >Geary
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
> >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
> >To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy 
> >Mladenka; [email protected]; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; 
> >Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >
> >When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that 
> >TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. 
> >Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date 
> >so that people from out of state could attend both events during the same 
> >trip if they felt like spending more time here?
> >
> >Rod
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Fritz Holt
> >>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
> >>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , 
> >>"[email protected]" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , 
> >>Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
> >>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
> >>
> >>David and other interested parties,
> >>
> >>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. 
> >>However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that 
> >>the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that 
> >>may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit 
> >>a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin 
> >>that would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, 
> >>David? Has your computer been on the fritz?
> >>
> >>Fritz
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
> >>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; 
> >>[email protected]; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl 
> >>Rieck; Charles Fromen
> >>Subject: NSS caving related
> >>
> >>Dear caving friends,
> >>
> >>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
> >>meeting at different places each
> >>year.
> >>
> >>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
> >>
> >>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
> >>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
> >>
> >>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
> >>
> >>1 ) Austin
> >>
> >>2 ) Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
> >>
> >>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
> >>Convention which means in less than
> >>a month.
> >>
> >>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
> >>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
> >>
> >>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
> >>
> >>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
> >>
> >>
> >>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
> >>to drive to northeast Houston. But the people
> >>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
> >>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
> >>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
> >>
> >>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
> >>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
> >>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
> >>
> >>David Locklear
> >>NSS 27639
> >>
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No, Diana. I can't commit to that, because at this point, it appears likely that I will be too busy helping with TCR to take on any other major tasks at that time (since I probably will be serving as "sound man" for the Terminal Syphons at TCR again, and that usually involves a lot of preparation in addition to keeping me busy throughout the TCR weekend). Since other people seem to be interested in arranging the BOG meeting in Texas, however, I simply am suggesting that they schedule the BOG meeting in a way that will make it easier for people to attend both the BOG meeting and TCR if they so desire. This scheduling suggestion applies regardless of which city is selected for the meeting. Others will have to decide whether it is better to locate the BOG meeting close to TCR and to caving opportunities or whether it is more important to locate it close to a major airline hub. If the organizers do choose Austin, I might be able to assist in some minor ways.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
>From: Diana Tomchick
>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 4:32 PM
>To: Rod Goke
>Cc: Geary Schindel , Fritz Holt , David , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "[email protected]" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>
>So are you volunteering to organize the BOG meeting in Austin? A few years back the DFW Grotto hosted one in Irving (home of the DFW airport), it was a lot less work and hassle than hosting TCR or the TSA Convention.
>
>Diana
>
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>Diana R. Tomchick
>Associate Professor
>University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
>Department of Biochemistry
>5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>Rm. ND10.214B
>Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
>Email: [email protected]
>214-645-6383 (phone)
>214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
>On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Rod Goke wrote:
>
>>
>> I really didn't think it would work to have the BOG meeting the same weekend as TCR, but if the meeting were scheduled one week away, such as the weekend following TCR, then some people might want to spend a week in the area, attending TCR and BOG on the two weekends and perhaps caving or otherwise vacationing in Texas during the week. If they happen to be in Austin Oct. 19 (the Wednesday following TCR), then they also might attend a UT Grotto meeting, including the traditional "meeting before the meeting" at Sao Paulo's Restaurant (where many Austin cavers like to eat supper together before each Grotto meeting), and the traditional "meeting after the meeting" at the Posse East (where Austin cavers go for beer, food, BS, socializing, etc. after each Grotto meeting).
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Geary Schindel
>> >Sent: Jun 20, 2011 3:16 PM
>> >To: 'Rod Goke' , Fritz Holt , 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "[email protected]" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>> >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>> >
>> >Folks,
>> >
>> >Generally, the BOG meetings are held on a weekend (Saturday). I think either October or early November works for most folks. It is usually a full days business so I don't think having the BOG the same day as TCR would work very well. They need to have access to power, minimal dust and noise, and the need to sometimes go into a closed session. There is commonly a party on Friday night and maybe a cave trip on Sunday. However, many of the BOG folks are traveling on Friday and Sunday so caving isn't a high priority. The BOG travel is not supported by the NSS so anything you can do to help cut costs are appreciated (like holding it in a larger town with good airport access). Many of the BOG members like to stay with cavers to also cut costs. There is also usually a dinner/party on Saturday after the board meeting. The Bexar grotto has hosted one or two here in San Antonio and they are a lot of fun.
>> >
>> >It takes a minimal amount of effort to hold one. They have been held in libraries, community rooms, churches, country clubs, and board rooms - generally any room that can hold 50-100 folks. You may want to go to the NSS web page, I think there are some guidelines on what is required. Generally, there are, 17 board members, and couple of support folks, and a few dozen spectators.
>> >
>> >I think Houston, Austin, or the Dallas/Ft Worth area would work very well - then again, I heard rumors there was a legendary BOG meeting held in Buda some years ago.
>> >
>> >Geary
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
>> >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:36 PM
>> >To: Fritz Holt; 'David'; Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; [email protected]; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen; Texas Cavers
>> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>> >
>> >When during fall 2011 does the BOG meeting need to be scheduled? Notice that TCR 2011 is scheduled Oct. 14--16 at a location slightly west of Austin. Would it be practical to schedule the BOG meting close enough to that date so that people from out of state could attend both events during the same trip if they felt like spending more time here?
>> >
>> >Rod
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Fritz Holt
>> >>Sent: Jun 20, 2011 11:24 AM
>> >>To: 'David' , Clint Ladd , Lyndon Tiu , Syd Formanek , Dorothy Mladenka , "[email protected]" , hose , Keith Goggin , Lisa Goggin , Sheryl Rieck , Charles Fromen , Texas Cavers
>> >>Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS caving related
>> >>
>> >>David and other interested parties,
>> >>
>> >>The Houston area has a host of opportunities for vacationers and tourists. However, if the Board of Governors are cavers, it would seem logical that the meeting be held in Austin which is much closer to some nice caves that may still be accessed. Some of the out of state visitors may want to visit a cave or two while in Texas. There are enough influential cavers in Austin that would probably volunteer to lead several trips. Where have you been, David? Has your computer been on the fritz?
>> >>
>> >>Fritz
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
>> >>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 10:53 AM
>> >>To: Clint Ladd; Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt; Syd Formanek; Dorothy Mladenka; [email protected]; hose; Keith Goggin; Lisa Goggin; David Locklear; Sheryl Rieck; Charles Fromen
>> >>Subject: NSS caving related
>> >>
>> >>Dear caving friends,
>> >>
>> >>The National Speleological Society holds its annual Board of Governors
>> >>meeting at different places each
>> >>year.
>> >>
>> >>They are quickly searching for a place for the fall 2011 meeting.
>> >>
>> >>My good caving friend, RD Milhollin, of Dallas, is ramrodding the
>> >>planning committee to get the meeting in Texas.
>> >>
>> >>He has possibly narrowed down to locations.
>> >>
>> >>1 ) Austin
>> >>
>> >>2 ) Northeast Houston ( near Intercontinental Airport )
>> >>
>> >>I believe they a commitment from the host by the end of the NSS
>> >>Convention which means in less than
>> >>a month.
>> >>
>> >>I would be willing to volunteer to meet people at the airport and
>> >>drive them to their hotels and the meeting place.
>> >>
>> >>I would be willing to search for a meeting room.
>> >>
>> >>But that is about all I think I can volunteer for.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I have serious doubts that the rest of the cavers in Texas would want
>> >>to drive to northeast Houston. But the people
>> >>flying in from the rest of the country would find that location
>> >>convenient. But the purpose of the NSS holding in places
>> >>like Houston, is to encourage NSS participation from different regions.
>> >>
>> >>Lake Houston State Park is only 30 minutes northeast of the airport,
>> >>and the NSS could probably afford to rent all
>> >>the facilities there, and then the guest would not have to get a hotel.
>> >>
>> >>David Locklear
>> >>NSS 27639
>> >>
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--- Begin Message --- Finally some hopeful news about WNS. It has recently been shown that some infected bats can survive and reproduce, which provides hope that a resistant population will slowly build up. See upcoming paper in the Journal of Fish and Wildlife Management: <http://www.fwspubs.org/doi/abs/10.3996/022011-JFWM-014>. The full paper is available as a free download. 

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--- Begin Message --- Has there been a BOG meeting in Austin since 1977 or 1978, shortly before the 1978 convention? That's when the legendary Buda party occurred.
But, as has been noted, the BOG meeting lasts all day Saturday, and, with transportation time, doesn't leave a lot of time for anything else unless a BOG member wants to take Monday off work too.
RD called me about this question. Apparently there is a move afoot to involve the board in a Sunday discussion about the future of the NSS at its next non-convention meeting. (RD is chairman of the Long Range Planning Committee, a thankless job if there's ever been one.) To the extent that BOG members are willing to put up with that, it makes it even harder to do anything else that weekend besides the BOG meetings-- and of course the Saturday night party. We talked about Austin as a possibility, but the lack of direct flights to and from Austin would add a couple of hours' travel time on Sunday and make it even harder for BOG members to participate in a lengthy Sunday discussion. It seemed to me that a city with better connections, such as Dallas, Atlanta, or Chicago, would be a better bet for that meeting.
Aside from that, it certainly wouldn't be that hard to pull off a meeting here in Austex, sometime. -- Mixon 
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Great! Some ammunition to fire back at those well-intentioned ignoramuses who 
are attacking cavers and the NSS convention. 





  

CAVERS ASSIST BATS IN DEVELOPING RESISTANCE AGAINST WNS. 





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From VAR list (Cheryl Jones):

Mark your calendars!
Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife, Oceans and Insular Affairs
Oversight Hearing on "Why We Should Care About Bats: Devastating
Impact White-Nose Syndrome is Having on One of Nature's Best Pest Controllers"
Friday, June 24, 2011 10:00 AM

http://naturalresources.house.gov/Calendar/EventSingle.aspx?EventID=246794

WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer will be testifying on behalf of the NSS.

You're invited to the hearing, or you may watch live (or later) on
the Internet.
http://naturalresources.house.gov/Live/

Peter notes:

"For context, they are planning only one panel this time, with US
Fish and Wildlife, US Forest Service, US Geological Survey,
Bat Conservation International, and the NSS.  They
may also try to add a farm agency from USDA, but he said 'they don't
seem to be interested.'

The angle they are pursuing is, this was discovered 5 years ago, we
testified 2 years ago, how close are we to finding a solution after
states and the federal government have spent $25 million (their figure)."

Cheryl

Please reply to [email protected]
Permanent email address is [email protected]
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I was recently awarded my disability which I believe kicks in Mid
July. I am looking for a short term possibly long term situation. I
cook pretty well and like to keep to myself these days. If anyone has
a hint please contact me
Thanks!

-- 
Felicia Vreeland
http:www.universallivingwage.org
http:www.housethehomeless.org
PO Box 2312
Austin, Texas 78768

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A California caver--Marcia Rasmussen NSS 47836 of the San Joaquin
Grotto--nearly died this past week in Sequoia National Park when she plunged
through a snow bridge and was swept under the snow pack in a torrent of ice
water.
A normal person would likely have perished but Marcia's experience, fitness
and clear thinking...and some luck...saved her life.
Here's the story:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-snow-rescue-20110621,0,7914855.story
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I read that story! Wow. I had no idea she was a caver. Good to keep in mind
about snow bridges over creeks. I used to cross one near Nederland quite a
bit, but usually in winter.



On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Frank Binney <[email protected]> wrote:

> A California caver--Marcia Rasmussen NSS 47836 of the San Joaquin
> Grotto--nearly died this past week in Sequoia National Park when she
> plunged
> through a snow bridge and was swept under the snow pack in a torrent of ice
> water.
> A normal person would likely have perished but Marcia's experience, fitness
> and clear thinking...and some luck...saved her life.
> Here's the story:
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-snow-rescue-20110621,0,7914855.story
> ?track=rss
>
>
>
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Saw this on the Austin news, thought of sharing.

Http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_stories/279024/teachers-embark-on-subterranean-journey-for-science

Ryan Monjaras

Sent from my HTC EVO

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..It’s the most famous treatment for all the men!  
http://just4you-airport.com/friends.page.php?yghotmailID=51j5

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It appears Shannon Summers has been hacked.

Sheryl

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:27 AM, shannon summers <[email protected]>wrote:

> ..It’s the most famous treatment for all the men!
> http://just4you-airport.com/friends.page.php?yghotmailID=51j5
>

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The story and image are complete nonsense.  The snake in the pic is an Eastern 
diamondback rattlesnake, not found in Texas.  Besides, does that really look 
like Coleman, TX to you?  The whole nonrattling/pigs thing is baloney.  Funny, 
these were originally travelling the interweb as separate hoaxes and some 
genius 
decided to combine them.  The most recent version out there has been edited 
to occur in Georgia!  Do us all a favor and slap the person who sent this to 
you 
(Fritz, I owe you one).


Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]

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Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
image 
is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
 
Andy

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Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
image 
is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
 
Andy

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Here is a email from Aaron Bird regarding a research program on cave safety.

I'm sure he would appreciate the help.

Geary

From: Aaron Bird [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: STILL NEED HELP WITH RESEARCH.... Re: NSS STC Research Project: Close 
Calls Among Visitors to Caves

Hello,

Please see below and help with the NSS Safety and Techniques research project. 
We still need lots of responses!

As of June 22, there have been reports of nearly 100 close calls but only 9 
responses on cave-skills training. The 100 close calls is a pretty good number, 
but we need a lot more, particularly on cave-skills. Please, please help us out 
by completing these questionnaires. :-)

http://caves.org/safety/research.shtml

Cave-skills training:
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/473543/Perceptions-of-Formal-Cave-Skills-Training

Close calls in caving:
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/407591/Safety-Close-Calls-in-Cave-Exploration-Cave-Science-and-Cave-Conservation

Forward to any caving-related email lists you're on!

thank you!!!
Aaron

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Aaron Bird 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hello to any and all who visit caves:

The National Speleological Society (NSS) Safety and Techniques Committee is 
conducting a research project in conjunction with the Oakland University 
Occupational Safety and Health Program to determine the prevalence of close 
calls in caving. For the purposes of this research, "close call" will be 
defined as an event (planned or unplanned) in a cave that could have resulted 
in injury or fatality, but did not.

Based on anonymous responses from participants, a database of cave-related 
"close-call" events will be established in order to identify the most prevalent 
likelihoods of illnesses, injuries, and fatalities that may occur from visiting 
caves. This information will be used in caver education and cave exploration 
planning in order to help cavers avoid conditions and acts that may lead to 
undesired events.

Below is a link to the consent form of this questionnaire. If you chose to 
participate, please click the link and review the consent form.
http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/407591/Safety-Close-Calls-in-Cave-Exploration-Cave-Science-and-Cave-Conservation

Finally, please do forward this email and the above link to anyone who visits 
caves, to caving-related email lists, and to outdoor-related email lists, as 
you see fit.


thank you and best regards,
Aaron Bird


--

Aaron J. Bird, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Occupational Safety and Health Program
School of Health Sciences
Oakland University
Rochester, MI 48309
p: 248-805-1OSH (1674)
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

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