It seems to me that attitudes towards the "OT List" on Texascavers have been something like the following: We tried setting up an OT List, but nobody uses it. Perhaps they don't know how to use it. No. It's easy. Just read the directions. Where can I find the directions? Look in the cabinet. The cabinet is locked. How can I get in? Use the key? Where's the key. Look next to the needle. What needle? The one in the haystack. Never mind. I don't want to use it after all. You see, even you won't use it, so there's no point in wasting effort to improve it. It was nice of Louise to provide the OT address. That's more than anyone else has done lately to make the OT List useable, but it's not a complete answer. What are we supposed to do with that address? How can we receive the OT messages? I bet that we first have to do something to subscribe to the OT List, but exactly how are Texascavers subscribers supposed to do that? Likewise, if you want to send a message to the OT List, how do you do that? Perhaps you simply email it to the OT address, right? Well, if you do that, you get the following "failure notice" from mailer-dae...@gnome.wokka.org: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at gnome.wokka.org. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <o...@texascavers.com>: Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please forward this message to ot-ow...@texascavers.com to get your new address included (#5.7.2) ... Exploring this kind of digital obstacle course might be tolerable for people really determined to use the service, but for Texascavers subscribers seeking a convenient way to engage in "virtual campfire" chat, it's no wonder that no one bothers to use it. Rod -----Original Message----- From: Louise Power Sent: Mar 16, 2011 3:04 AM To: Rod Goke , Texas Cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? For those of you who wanted it, the OT address is: o...@texascavers.com People used it for awhile after it was established, but sort of veered off after a time. Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 02:26:13 -0500 From: rod.g...@earthlink.net To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? R D asked, "Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place?" Unfortunately, it is quite difficult for anyone who has no clue about how to do it, and I suspect that most of the subscribers to Texascavers fall into this category. During the last several years, I've seen a number of messages on this list asking people to take various topics to the mysterious OT list, but I don't think I've ever seen a message explaining how to do that. No wonder nobody (or practically nobody) uses it! If we want people to make use of a "REAL OT List" then we need to make sure that there is an easy way for people to read it and to post messages there, and we need to publicize the directions enough on Texascavers so that people will actually know how to do it. Also, whenever a new discussion thread begins on the OT list, it would be useful for someone to alert us with a brief message posted to Texascavers. Otherwise, people interested in an OT topic are liable to miss the discussion by not checking the OT list, in which case, writers will be tempted to post everything to the regular Texascavers list, because they think no one is reading the OT list. Rod ---------------------- From: R D Milhollin Sent: Mar 15, 2011 9:28 PM To: Cave Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? There has been a lot of non-cave, non-caving, and non-caver posting here lately. I remember (and subscribed to) a separate list that I understood was expressly for that sort of stuff: cavers posting about non-cave-related topics. Does anyone else remember this? Seems that my mailbox set to receive caving stuff is getting filled up with other, unrelated material. I expect to read about WNS, caving trips, convention and meeting announcements, news about fellow cavers, cave cleanups, cave publications, and other information I can't find anywhere else, or nearly anywhere else here on the Texas Cavers list. Is it that difficult to post other material in a separate place? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com |
- Re: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? Rod Goke
- RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? Louise Power
- RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic - Where's the REAL OT List? Rod Goke
