texascavers Digest 16 Feb 2011 23:59:14 -0000 Issue 1250
Topics (messages 17188 through 17205):
Re: Mystery at Jester Cave!!!
17188 by: Tim Stich
2011 Cave Cavort
17189 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
9th Annual Austin Cave Festival announcement
17190 by: William H. Russell
17191 by: William H. Russell
Cueva de Los Tayos, Ecuador--long
17192 by: Mixon Bill
17194 by: Speleosteele.aol.com
TSA convention map salon
17193 by: Marvin & Lisa
Another Year
17195 by: Association for Mexican Cave Studies
Ezells Cave work day
17196 by: Jim Kennedy
U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside Monterrey today
17197 by: Diana Tomchick
17199 by: caverarch
17202 by: Gill Edigar
17203 by: Fritz Holt
17204 by: John P Brooks
Met Buzz Aldrin at the same event
17198 by: Speleosteele.aol.com
Re: Harrison Schmitt
17200 by: Mark Minton
17201 by: Jon
Re: Fort Stanton Cave needs your help
17205 by: Lee H. Skinner
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"I let Mark know that I did not rock him. No, I have retired from that
activity. Too many people get their feelings hurt. "
I know. One time I went caving with Bill in Powell Cave I think it was. I
had heard about this grand jest and of the packing of rocks in unsuspecting
caver's packs. But he didn't try to put a rock in my pack and that,
well, hurt my feelings.
-Tim
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>wrote:
> I was rocked this weekend as well, however, since we were hauling equipment
> out, someone else picked up my pack, and before I could warn him that there
> was a rock in it, he took off up the trail and was out of sight.
>
> So, I was rocked, but didn't suffer it, it now sits in my garage. I have a
> collection going.
>
> Charles
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:13 PM, <speleoste...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I let Mark know that I did not rock him. No, I have retired from that
>> activity. Too many people get their feelings hurt.
>> I suggested to Mark that it might well have been his daughter and
>> daughter-in-law that did it. Now he vows to get them
>> back.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark.Alman <mark.al...@l-3com.com>
>> To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Cc: speleosteele <speleoste...@aol.com>; Diana Tomchick <
>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 12:06 pm
>> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Mystery at Jester Cave!!!
>>
>>
>> Part of the mystery has been solved and Bill has been absolved and
>> eliminated as a suspect.
>>
>>
>> I know suspect the two lovely ladies that accompanied me this weekend as
>> being the suspects and they will be dealt with accordingly.
>>
>>
>> Now, I know why they didn’t sit near us Saturday night, Bill!
>>
>>
>> (I wonder where they got the idea from! Hmmm.)
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2011 11:35 AM
>> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
>> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Mystery at Jester Cave!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Went caving this past weekend with *Bill Steele* and Diane Tomchick at
>> Jester Cave in SW OK this past weekend and had a blast!
>>
>> We were joined by my lovely daughter-in-law, Brandi Alman and her friend
>> Jennifer, the SMU Outdoor club, several DFW Grotto cavers, and a Boy Scout
>> Troop.
>>
>>
>> A great, wet, muddy, cold time was had by all and we enjoyed the
>> camaraderie and a TON of hibernating bats were observed, with no WNS
>> evident!
>>
>>
>> A great mystery has ensued, however and Sherlock Holmes may need to be
>> called in!
>>
>>
>>
>> While unloading my gear yesterday and disinfecting it and what not, I was
>> shocked to find not one, but, two rather sizeable rocks in my cave pack!
>>
>>
>> How did they get there and what twisted and demented soul could possibly
>> perform this dastardly act of geological treachery upon an innocent, balding
>> 51 YO, such as myself?!
>>
>>
>>
>> Your help in apprehending this deviant and helping to solve this mystery
>> will help make the world a safer place and allow us to eradicate, once and
>> for all, the act of rocking packs!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your support!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (Tongue firmly placed in cheek and the newest proud member of the “I’ve
>> Been Rocked” Club) Mark
>>
>>
>
>
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In a message dated 2/15/2011 12:39:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com writes:
"Von Daniken doesn't admit his "The Gold of the Gods" is fiction,
and you can believe he really found an imperishable library written on
metal sheets in Cueva de Los Tayos, Ecuador, if you want to."
Guess we will never know since the Ecuadorean border with Peru is so
heavily mined that not even the local Shuar will go there to partake of
their
traditional drug addled rituals. I know, I tried to go there but failed. I
did make it to a different cave full of tayos (birds that think they are
bats)
deep in the jungle along the Rio Pastaza. Getting there involved communal
enemas, getting arrested by enraged Indians with shotguns, and
reconciliation by means of endless calabashes full of spit beer. It was a
bizarre
place. There were petroleum stalactites that you could light on fire.
Speaking of drug induced hallucinations, are these the same golden plates
that were revealed to Joseph Smith by the giant white salamander? As an
acolyte of Oztotl I am aware that the salamander was none other than an
axolotl
sent by the Aztecs to make peace with the great tribe of Mormons with
whom
they share much in regard to theology.
There are others who hold that the plates were actually given to Smith by
a Moron, the plural of which is Moroni which presumably refers to
adherents of the Church of LSD, of which I am one.
The answers to these and other mysteries will be revealed at the 2011 Cave
Cavort to be held at Weazelworld Thursday March 31st through Sunday April
3rd. The big shindig with beer, BBQ, band, and hot tub will be Saturday
April 2nd.
Activities include caving, canoeing, hiking, biking, ropes in tall trees,
drinking, dancing, snake handling, and camping in my beautiful forest
while
surrounded by tame owls and stunning azaleas. The cost is quite reasonable
at $3.38/day.
Registration and info can be found at:
_http://weaselfest2011.blogspot.com/_ (http://weaselfest2011.blogspot.com/)
Be there or be square!
Sleazeweazel
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--
Folks, we're in desperate need of 12 cavers to help us w/this year's
cave fest. It's a one of a kind event, happens no where else or as
well attended. Please help us make this year another successful cave
fest.
I'm so proud that cavers are so involved in this city wide event,
oppps, it's now multi county wide invitations. So, drop me an email
or call me and volunteer.
Julie: <mailto:jjenk...@bseacd.org>jjenk...@bseacd.org
512-289-1336, leave a mess w/your name and contact info,
This year's info:
Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011
Time: 9:00am to 3:00pm
Location: Village of Western Oaks Karst Preserve
More info:
<http://www.bseacd.org/events/austin-cave-festival/>http://www.bseacd.org/events/austin-cave-festival/
Julie Jenkins
Barton Springs Edwards Aquifer Conservation District
Environmental Educator
1124 Regal Row
Austin, Tx 78748
off: 512.282.8441
cell: 512.289.1336
email: jjenk...@bseacd.org
website: www.bseacd.org
William Hart Russell
4806 Red River Street
Austin, TX 78751
H: 512-453-4774 (messages)
CELL: 512-940-8336
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Folks, we're in desperate need of 12 cavers to help us w/this year's
cave fest. It's a one of a kind event, happens no where else or as
well attended. Please help us make this year another successful cave
fest.
I'm so proud that cavers are so involved in this city wide event,
oppps, it's now multi county wide invitations. So, drop me an email
or call me and volunteer.
Julie: <mailto:jjenk...@bseacd.org>jjenk...@bseacd.org
512-289-1336, leave a mess w/your name and contact info,
This year's info:
Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011
Time: 9:00am to 3:00pm
Location: Village of Western Oaks Karst Preserve
More info:
<http://www.bseacd.org/events/austin-cave-festival/>http://www.bseacd.org/events/austin-cave-festival/
Julie Jenkins
Barton Springs Edwards Aquifer Conservation District
Environmental Educator
1124 Regal Row
Austin, Tx 78748
off: 512.282.8441
cell: 512.289.1336
email: jjenk...@bseacd.org
website: www.bseacd.org
--
William Hart Russell
4806 Red River Street
Austin, TX 78751
H: 512-453-4774 (messages)
CELL: 512-940-8336
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Here's what Wikip. has to say about Los Tayos:
As a result of the claims published in von Däniken’s book, an
investigation of Cueva de los Tayos was organized by Stan Hall from
Britain in 1976. One of the largest and most expensive cave
explorations ever undertaken, the expedition included over a hundred
people, including experts in a variety of fields, British and
Ecuadorian military personnel, a film crew, and former astronaut
Neil Armstrong. The team also included eight experienced British
cavers who thoroughly explored the cave and conducted an accurate
survey to produce a detailed map of the cave. There was no evidence
of Von Däniken’s more exotic claims, although some physical features
of the cave did approximate his descriptions and some items of
zoological, botanical and archaeological interest were found.
The C.P.C. (Craven Pothole Club?) published an expedition report that
I don't have. An article appeared in the BCRA Bulletin (of the British
Cave Research Association), number 14, November 1976. I've had my
computer "read" if for you. Sorry, I haven't made any effort to clean
up what the OCR program did.
LOS TAYOS EXPEDITION, ECUADOR : JULY - AUGUST 1976
David. Judson
With the interest created by Juan Moritz after a small Ecuadorian
Army expedition
to the Los Tayos caves in 1969» and the even greater interest
created "by the
fantastic claims of Eric Von Danekin in his book, "Gold of the
Gods11, the
Expedition^ primary objective was to investigate the caves
thoroughly and make
a factual report on its findings•
The Los Tayos Caves are situated in the south-east of Ecuador,
approximately 10
kilometres from the border with Peru. The oaves were known to be
in an area of
Jurassic limestone at an altitude of approximately 2500 feet, near
to the Rio
Coangas, a southern tributary of the Rio Santiago. The caves were
known to
have been visited by a party of Italian missionaries in 1884» and by
a German
party in 1955> (both taken there by the local Jivaro Indians). It
was also
known that the caves were visited annually (each April), by the
local Indians.
We found that they were currently taking away about 500 oil bird
chicks each
year - which they then render down for their oil.
The Expedition was initiated by Stanley Hall, an engineer from
Dollar in Scotland
- a friend of Juan Moritz. The Army were invited to participate;
they supplied
personnel - 40 officers and men, and full logistical support
including the supply
of equipment and food and liaison with the Ecuadorian Army who
supplied air
support and jungle trained forced. It was decided at an early
stage that a
secondary objective should be to provide a team of scientists who
would study
all aspects of the cave and the surrounding terrain, and work
closely with other
scientists based in Ecuador. At a rather late stage it was
appreciated that
there was a need for a strong team of civilian cavers, whose brief
it would be
to look after cave exploration, survey, photography and to attend to
the
requirements of the scientists actually carrying out work
underground. Eventually
a team of eight cavers was assembled: Peter Holden (Army); Dr John
Prankland;
David Judson; David Checkley; John Whalley; Peter Cardy; Arthur
Champion and
John Harvey. The team was only recruited during the final two
months prior to
the departure of the Expedition.
The duration of the Expedition was fixed at 45 days, (by reason of
economy on
air tickets), leaving UK 50th June. With the excellent air support
given by
the Ecuadorian Army and Air Force, the first party reached base camp
on the Rio
Santiago, (only 15 kilometres from the caves), only two days after
leaving
Heathrowl After a further four days, (including abortive efforts
to move up
river in inflatable boats), we reached a cave site by Puma helicopter.
Exploration was pursued on the same day, (day 6), by Judson and
Champion,
who descended a 50 metre shaft, a 6 metre pitch, observed the small
square
passage and the rectangular arch shown in "Gold of the Gods", and
explored a
large boulder strewn passage for a distance of one kilometre and a
depth of
almost 200 metres. The passage ended at a sump pool, where an
active inlet
passage brought in a sizeable stream but sumped immediately
downstream.
Under the direction of John Harvey, the cavers worked for the
following six
days on the erection of a heavy timber platform, and the rigging of
petrol
generator and electric hoist for descent by scientists and other non-
cavers
into the main cave. During this period the permanent stream sink was
explored, Cammando Cave, and this eventually linked up with the main
cave at
the sump pool and at other points. A third, parallel system.
Shovel Pot, was
subsequently explored. This opened off the entrance chamber of
Commando Cave.
The stream met within Shovel Pot appears to originate from the upper
sinking
point of the Los Tayos stream, and almost certainly enters the main
system, but
a positive link was not established.
The whole cave system appears to have been developed as a result of
the
progressive down cutting of the Los Tayos stream together with its
old tributary,
(now permanently sinking at Commando Cave), cave development being
initiated at
Archaeological Shaft and Main Shaft, where two major joints crossed
the line of
the stream bed. M6 Passage appears to be a secondary system, its
original entry
point now being unknown. Commando Cave and Shovel Pot appear to be
more recently
developed routes, both presently active in varying degrees.
The resurgence for the Los Tayos system is unknown, but the system
is heading
down a steady dip of 10-15° towards the Rio Coangas, and may not
have very far
to go in depth, and 1-2 kilometres in distance. The main
characteristic of the
whole system is the remarkably rectangular form of most of the
passages, this
applies especially to the larger and older ones. This has been
occasioned by
the general thinly bedded, well jointed nature of the limestone,
which becomes
more pronounced with depth. The Main Passage, through Stanley Hall
to the
sump presents a superb example of progressive cavern collapse, with
a maximum
width of almost 100 metres being reached in Stanley Hall.
The main scientific activities carried out within the caves were:
fauna
collection, by Ashmole, Jefferson and Campbell; sampling guano for
presence
of histoplasmosis spores, by Frankland and Cavanagh; bat collection
and studies
of bat parasites, by Stebbings, Gaskell and Hutson; oil bird
studies, by Snow;
archaeological work, by Father Porras and assistants; geology by
Wilkinson.
Towards the end of the Expedition a piece of pottery was found in a
small
passage near to the foot of the Archaeological Shaft and this led to
many more
finds in the immediate vicinity by Father Porras and his
assistants. It is
believed that these remains, pottery fragments, ceramic ornaments,
and currency
of the day, in the form of large shells originating from the Pacific
Coast, are
in the order of 5500 years old. Work is still in progress on
dating of these
objects, and a further Ecuadorian expedition is being planned to
pursue this
further with a major dig, possibly in 1977»
Early in August, when evacuation of the cave site was already well
under way,
Professor Neil Armstrong (the first man on the moon) our Honorary
President,
put in an appearance at the Santiago Base Camp. He was offered a
chance of a
look around the cave system. He was flown to the cave site by
Allouette
helicopter, together with Stanley Hall and five of the caving team,
and they
descended into the cave by ladder. A minor collision that day at
Santiago,
between the Allouette and one of the Arava supply aircraft put the
helicopter
out of action for 24 hours and the whole party had to sleep out
rough at the
cave site - I understand that 'moontalk1 was prevalent?
Other areas were also visited by various members of the
Expedition. A small
party led by Bob Stebbings spent about ten days collecting bats and
exploring
a cave system of approximately one kilometre close to the Rio Yuapi,
a northern
tributary of the Santiago about 15 kilometres downstream from
Santiago.
Checkley and others also visited an interesting river cave near to
Tena, (north
of Pastaza, in the central Oriente). The Tena area appears to
offer plenty
of scope for further cave exploration.
Another article appeared in Caving International, number 1, October
1978. It contains very nicely printed detailed plan and profile maps
of the cave. -- Mixon
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I read about this caving expedition to Ecuador not long after it happened.
Then, about three years ago,
I was at an event in Chicago with my job (memorial for Steve Fossett) that
Neil Armstrong attended.
When he came into the reception afterwards I could sense the stir it caused
and see people jockeying to position themselves to meet him. I decided to
not worry about it, if it happened it happened, and stood back observing the
scene like a sociologist.
A little while later I saw that Armstrong and his wife were very close to
me and all I had to do was turn
around and extend my hand to meet him. I did so, and as I did, I introduced
myself, and mentioned that
I had read about the caving expedition to Ecuador he had gone on in the
70s. He smiled big and wanted to talk about it. Maybe it was relief at not
being asked the same old questions about what it was like on the
moon, I don't know, but he lit up and gave me more time than I had seen him
give anyone else. A couple of times he held his hands up to demonstrate the
size of the spiders he'd seen in the cave entrance.
I noticed people gathering around to listen and I thought at time they were
wondering what it was I had said to him that he was so interested in
talking about. I bet some of them wished they were cavers
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All you cave cartographers, start gathering your maps and be prepared to
bring them to the convention in Bracketville in April. I will be organizing
the salon this year. It will be run pretty much as in previous years. Check
out the web page for details: http://cavetexas.org/events/mapsalon.html . Be
sure to take a look at the judging form (link on the web page) to see what
criteria the maps will be judged on. If you would like to submit a map for
the salon but wont be able to attend personally, you can mail a print of
the map to me. If it is small format (8 ½ x 11) you can send me a digital
file and I will print it myself.
-Marvin Miller
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Greetings Cavers,
It been another diverse year for the AMCS Photo of the Week. We've
enjoyed many excellent photos both historical and of current events. I
particularly enjoy the responses, which are forwarded to the
photographers. Please keep digging in those archives, and keep the
cameras rolling on your current explorations.
For those of you interested in the mechanics of how we capture those
underground images, don't miss this week's photo.
And for that special friend, consider giving the gift that keeps on
giving...... a subscription to the Weekly Photo. Just email their
address to: photow...@amcs.org
See You Soon, Terry
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Cavers, here is a reminder for a caving activity this weekend. We need
your help! The Texas Cave Management Association (TCMA) will be having
a work day to spruce up one of our properties, the Ezells Cave Preserve
in Hays County. We plan to prune limbs, cut weeds, haul off junk, and
just generally make the property more attractive. We need people, saws,
loppers, weed eaters, gloves, and maybe even someone with a trailer
willing to carry all the debris to the landfill. Bring your own drinks
and snacks for the work, but TCMA will treat all volunteers to pizza and
drinks after we are done. The date is Saturday, 19 February. The time,
10:00 am. Meet at 1400 block of Brown Street, on the southwest side of
Bishop Street, in San Marcos, Texas. All visitors to the Preserve will
be asked to sign a liability waiver.
If anyone wishes to enter the cave after the work is completed, Preserve
Manager Jon Cradit has agreed to that. Jon can be reached at
512-557-7965 in case any one gets lost, or if you would like coordinate
more details with him.
Thanks for your support!
Jim Kennedy
TCMA Preserves Chair
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/AR2011021506693.html?hpid=artslot
When does the revolution begin?
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
________________________________
UT Southwestern Medical Center
The future of medicine, today.
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Mexico needs a kind of revolution those happening in Tunisia and Egypt: a broad
"social" one in which the majority of the Mexican people decide that they
cannot abide either the cartels or the death squads any longer. I don't know
how that can come about, especially without a lot of bloodshed. but I'm afraid
it will take changes from the base like that to stop this. There must arise a
point when the average Mexican citizen says "Enough!"
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
To: Cave Tex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 1:27 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside Monterrey
today
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/AR2011021506693.html?hpid=artslot
When does the revolution begin?
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
________________________________
UT Southwestern Medical Center
The future of medicine, today.
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Mañana.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:49 PM, caverarch <cavera...@aol.com> wrote:
> Mexico needs a kind of revolution those happening in Tunisia and Egypt: a
> broad "social" one in which the majority of the Mexican people decide that
> they cannot abide either the cartels or the death squads any longer. I don't
> know how that can come about, especially without a lot of bloodshed. but I'm
> afraid it will take changes from the base like that to stop this. There
> must arise a point when the average Mexican citizen says "Enough!"
> Roger
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
> To: Cave Tex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 1:27 pm
> Subject: [Texascavers] U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside
> Monterrey today
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/AR2011021506693.html?hpid=artslot
>
> When does the revolution begin?
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> The future of medicine, today.
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That was a politically incorrect song sung by Peggy Lee some years ago. It was
quite popular then but doubt it would be played today. Too derogatory.
Geezer
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From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:41 PM
To: caverarch
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside
Monterrey today
Mañana.
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:49 PM, caverarch <cavera...@aol.com> wrote:
> Mexico needs a kind of revolution those happening in Tunisia and Egypt: a
> broad "social" one in which the majority of the Mexican people decide that
> they cannot abide either the cartels or the death squads any longer. I don't
> know how that can come about, especially without a lot of bloodshed. but I'm
> afraid it will take changes from the base like that to stop this. There
> must arise a point when the average Mexican citizen says "Enough!"
> Roger
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
> To: Cave Tex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 16, 2011 1:27 pm
> Subject: [Texascavers] U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside
> Monterrey today
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/AR2011021506693.html?hpid=artslot
>
> When does the revolution begin?
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
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to quote a famous song by Gil Scott Herron: "the revolution will not be
televised...."....apparently he was wrong in this instance. He also had a great
song entitled "Whitie on the moon"...which is appropriate music for another
topic of discussion today....
--- On Wed, 2/16/11, Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:
From: Diana Tomchick <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
Subject: [Texascavers] U.S. customs agents killed and wounded outside Monterrey
today
To: "Cave Tex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 1:27 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/15/AR2011021506693.html?hpid=artslot
When does the revolution begin?
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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UT Southwestern Medical Center
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Geary Schindel e-mailed and told me his story of meeting a lunar astronaut,
Harrison Schmidt, the only geologist who went to the moon.
Geary encouraged me to post about meeting Buzz Aldrin later the same night I
met Neil Armstrong.
About an hour after talking to Neil about the caving expedition to Equador he'd
gone on, I noticed Buzz Aldrin walking toward the open bar, so I got in line
behind him. I introduced myself and told him that I'd seen the news account
that had recently been on TV of the man ambushing him outside of a building and
screaming in his face that the moon landing had been faked. Buzz punched him
out. I told him that the guy had it coming, to which he said, "Yeah, well, I
wish I hadn't done it, Goddammit. It cost me a small fortune in lawyer's fees.
But it sure felt good at the time!"
Buzz also has a caving connection, He read Barbara amEnde, Monte Paulsen, and
Bill Stone's book BEYOND THE DEEP and is quoted on its dusk jacket.
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I have a minor connection to astronaut Harrison Schmitt
myself. Many years ago Nancy Weaver and I stayed at a bed and
breakfast in Silver City, New Mexico that was run by Schmitt's
parents in their home. We slept in his old bedroom. Not
surprisingly, they had a lot of astronaut memorabilia around the house.
Mark Minton
At 02:46 PM 2/16/2011, speleoste...@aol.com wrote:
Geary Schindel e-mailed and told me his story of meeting a lunar
astronaut, Harrison Schmidt, the only geologist who went to the moon.
Geary encouraged me to post about meeting Buzz Aldrin later the same
night I met Neil Armstrong.
About an hour after talking to Neil about the caving expedition to
Equador he'd gone on, I noticed Buzz Aldrin walking toward the open
bar, so I got in line behind him. I introduced myself and told him
that I'd seen the news account that had recently been on TV of the
man ambushing him outside of a building and screaming in his face
that the moon landing had been faked. Buzz punched him out. I told
him that the guy had it coming, to which he said, "Yeah, well, I
wish I hadn't done it, Goddammit. It cost me a small fortune in
lawyer's fees. But it sure felt good at the time!"
Buzz also has a caving connection, He read Barbara amEnde, Monte
Paulsen, and Bill Stone's book BEYOND THE DEEP and is quoted on its
dusk jacket.
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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One year we were getting boats checked in at the start of the "World's toughest
boat race" - 260-mile canoe race down the San Marcos river. As we were getting
boats checked the dignitaries came walking around. One of them was the guy
that was going to start the race, Jim Lovell. He stood around and talked and
asked questions for about an hour. What a nice man, unlike an experence in
Austin with Buzz. But that's another story.
Jon
--- On Wed, 2/16/11, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
From: Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net>
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Harrison Schmitt
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 2:18 PM
I have a minor connection to astronaut Harrison Schmitt myself. Many
years ago Nancy Weaver and I stayed at a bed and breakfast in Silver City, New
Mexico that was run by Schmitt's parents in their home. We slept in his old
bedroom. Not surprisingly, they had a lot of astronaut memorabilia around the
house.
Mark Minton
At 02:46 PM 2/16/2011, speleoste...@aol.com wrote:
> Geary Schindel e-mailed and told me his story of meeting a lunar astronaut,
> Harrison Schmidt, the only geologist who went to the moon.
> Geary encouraged me to post about meeting Buzz Aldrin later the same night I
> met Neil Armstrong.
>
> About an hour after talking to Neil about the caving expedition to Equador
> he'd gone on, I noticed Buzz Aldrin walking toward the open bar, so I got in
> line behind him. I introduced myself and told him that I'd seen the news
> account that had recently been on TV of the man ambushing him outside of a
> building and screaming in his face that the moon landing had been faked. Buzz
> punched him out. I told him that the guy had it coming, to which he said,
> "Yeah, well, I wish I hadn't done it, Goddammit. It cost me a small fortune
> in lawyer's fees. But it sure felt good at the time!"
>
> Buzz also has a caving connection, He read Barbara amEnde, Monte Paulsen, and
> Bill Stone's book BEYOND THE DEEP and is quoted on its dusk jacket.
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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the Fort Stanton - Snowy River National Conservation Area is part of the
National Landscape Conservation System.
Last night three amendments were offered to H.R. 1, the FY11 Continuing
Resolution bill.
�They are ugly: One will completely DEFUND the National Landscape
Conservation System and another two will prevent any funds to be used
for the implementation of the Antiquities Act.
1. Amendment 92 by Rep. Heller and Amendment 205 from Labrador that
would eliminate any funding to be used for the implementation of the
Antiquities Act
2.Offered By: Mr. Bishop of Utah
AMENDMENT NO. 515: At the end of the bill (before the short title),
insert the following:
Sec. __. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used
for the National Landscape Conservation System.
*This new amendment would eliminate ALL funding for the places you care
about- the entire National Landscape Conservation System. *
I urge all of you to the following website to send a message to NM
Senators and representatives:
https://secure.wilderness.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=2237
Lee Skinner
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