texascavers Digest 2 Nov 2010 20:04:50 -0000 Issue 1187
Topics (messages 16475 through 16484):
Re: the Sanctum incident
16475 by: Jon
UT Grotto Meeting - Wednesday November 3, 2010
16476 by: Gary Franklin
Re: Medford Mail-Tribune Story on Rabies
16477 by: Louise Power
Re: The Wilderness Below now on YouTube
16478 by: caverarch.aol.com
16479 by: Frank Binney
Re: a few cave photos
16480 by: caverarch.aol.com
Bat Science
16481 by: Mark Minton
Sinkhole Opens in German Town
16482 by: Mark Minton
Re: English-Spanish caving dictionary
16483 by: David
16484 by: Espeleo Coahuila
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Thanks Bill for that research
Jon
--- On Sat, 10/30/10, Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
From: Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] the Sanctum incident
To: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 11:55 AM
>From Martyn Farr's The Darkness Beckons: The History and Development of Cave
>Diving:
In December 1988 a massive expedition was undertaken with the objective not
only of pushing the cave [Pannikin Plains Cave, Australia] as far as possible
but also of recording the exploit on film. The venture was an international
event with invited participants such as the leading American diver Wes Skiles
and Rob Palmer from Britain. With a full complement of equipment and
experienced personnel, the cave was extended to its present limit of 2150m.
Here a boulder blockage was encountered, an obstacle which may conceivably
yield to a streamlined diver.
The expedition was a major success, but undoubtedly the most exciting event
took place during the final retreat from the cave. It was 3:40 p.m. in the
afternon when virtually the full team assembled on the subetrranean lakeside
and started unloading the equipment which had just arrived from the depth of
the system. On the surface a freak cyclone hit the area, destroying the camp
and, within a period of twenty-five minutes, depositing more than twice the
area's annual rainfull. Before those underground became aware of the magnitude
of the event a torrent of water poured into the vertical shaft, causing a
massive landslide and collapse. Miraculously, despite a hail of boulders
crashing into the chamber at the bottom, no one was injured. The exit route was
completely blocked and thirteen of the team were effectively entombed. With an
air of calm resignation, they set about organising themselves for survival for
an unknown length of time.
Fortunately radio communication was established within hours of the disaster.
An escape route through the chaos of boulders was pioneered the next day, and
all arrived safely on the surface by 8:00 p.m. on Saturday. Their equipment,
valued at over Australian $200,000, had to be left where it lay, to await
retreival after a suitable period of natural stabilisation.
--Bill Mixon
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Howdy Caver,
You are cordially invited to attend the Underground Texas Grotto meeting on
November 3, 2010.
Turn off the television, get away from the house, and spend your evening
with some Austin cavers.
The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.
University of Texas Campus in 3.02 Painter Hall
NOTE: THE ROOM NUMBER CHANGE to 3.02 PAI
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html
The Program for the evening will be presented by Peter Sprouse as *Continued
Exploration of the Deep Pits of Muzquiz*. This is an ongoing project
searching for a conduit to the waters that feed springs downdip in this
region. Come out to see how much fun these caving expeditions to Muzquiz
Coahuila are while exploring the unique vertical geology.
For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see
www.utgrotto.org All of our information including officer contact info,
trips reports, new caver training, event calendar, and posting links to
beginner trips or vertical rope training are available.
Before the meetings, some may go to Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy
hour specials. After the official meeting, we continue the tradition to
reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East.
www.posse-east.com
The UT Grotto needs you, the caver with photos and a story to share about
your adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool. Contact
Gary
Sincerely,
Gary Franklin
UT Grotto Vice Chair & Program Organizer
512-585-6057
v...@utgrotto.org
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You'll note that the article ascribes the rabies to the "bat strain." We can
just hope that this doesn't precipitate mass bat slaughters as it has in the
past.
> Tests confirm fourth Cave Junction-area fox with rabies
> October 29, 2010 11:05 AM
>
>
> A gray fox that fought a tug-of-war with a rural Cave Junction man and did
> a Three Stooges-like run on its side Sunday suffered from rabies,
> authorities said.
>
>
> Tests results confirmed late Thursday that this was the fourth fox this
> year to have the bat strain of rabies in rural Cave Junction.
>
>
> A goat in the area also contracted rabies earlier this year. Prior to the
> first fox found with rabies in January, no confirmed cases of rabies in
> foxes had occurred in Oregon in a decade.
>
>
> "There's definitely a pocket of rabies there," said Mark Vargas, the Rogue
> District wildlife biologist for the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.
> "Whether it's being passed from bats to foxes or from foxes to foxes, we
> don't know."
>
> Rabies is an infectious viral disease that affects the nervous system and
> is almost always caused by exposure to the saliva of an infected animal. It
> is nearly always fatal in animals once symptoms begin. Human infections are
> rare.
>
>
> In this case, the fox was under Jess Martin's shed and had pulled a piece
> of a tarp beneath the shed, which is propped about 10 inches above the
> ground.
>
>
> When Martin pulled the tarp out, the animal pulled it back in, he said.
> After a short tug-of-war, the fox pushed its head out "and yapped like it
> was in pain," he said.
>
>
> When he pulled the tarp again, the fox came out of the crawl space, Martin
> said. It then laid on its side and was running in place before Martin
> killed it with a shovel, he said.
>
>
> ODFW biologists Monday took the animal for testing.
>
>
> Oregon health officials warn people that the best precautions against
> rabies is to keep house pets up to date on rabies vaccines and never handle
> bats.
>
>
> Anyone who encounters wildlife acting strangely should leave the animals
> alone in their natural habitat, and report animal deaths to the ODFW at
> 541-826-8774.
>
> Jim Whittington
> Public Affairs Specialist
>
> Bureau of Land Management
> Medford Interagency Office
> 3040 Biddle Road
> Medford, OR 97504
>
> 541-618-2220 (work)
> 541-261-0424 (cell)
> 541-618-2144 (fax)
> jim_whitting...@blm.gov
>
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My participation in the production led the National Film Board of Canada to
invite me to be Syd Perou’s assistant for the filming of Castleguard: Challenge
Beneath the Glacier, which led me to change my major at the University of Texas
from Geology to Radio-TV-Film.
Frank,
I'll be viewing for sure. I've got a VHS copy of Castleguard somewhere and it
is painfully good. It was broadcast on Discovery or some such channel back
maybe in the early 1990s before they could produce their own overblown schlock
for the channel, and I happened to catch it on an online channel guide.
Roger
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From: Frank Binney <fr...@frankbinney.com>
To: Texas Cavers <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 30, 2010 4:18 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] The Wilderness Below now on YouTube
Some of you old timers may remember Jay Arnold's and my 1972 "impressionistic
documentary" about caving in TAG country, The Wilderness Below. It's now
available for viewing on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZT6OYraQaU
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Hey Roger--
I was on a cave survey trip this summer with some California cavers I had
just met. I asked the leader of the group how he got involved in caving. He
said, ³back in the 90s I saw this really cool movie on the Discovery Channel
about the exploration of Canada¹s Castleguard Cave and knew then and there I
wanted to become a caver². Gratifying to have contributed to his
life-changing moment but it also made me feel very old!
-Frank
On 11/1/10 12:17 PM, "cavera...@aol.com" <cavera...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> My participation in the production led the National Film Board of Canada to
>> invite me to be Syd Perou¹s assistant for the filming of Castleguard:
>> Challenge Beneath the Glacier, which led me to change my major at the
>> University of Texas from Geology to Radio-TV-Film.
>
> Frank,
>
> I'll be viewing for sure. I've got a VHS copy of Castleguard somewhere and it
> is painfully good. It was broadcast on Discovery or some such channel back
> maybe in the early 1990s before they could produce their own overblown schlock
> for the channel, and I happened to catch it on an online channel guide.
>
> Roger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Binney <fr...@frankbinney.com>
> To: Texas Cavers <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 30, 2010 4:18 pm
> Subject: [Texascavers] The Wilderness Below now on YouTube
>
> Some of you old timers may remember Jay Arnold's and my 1972 "impressionistic
> documentary" about caving in TAG country, The Wilderness Below. It's now
> available for viewing on YouTube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZT6OYraQaU
>
>
>
>
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David, thank you so much for posting this link. Alan Cressler, who like most
active (living?) Florida cavers was well after my time there, has over 130
great Florida caving pictures in a set on the site. Included are three caves
that were discovered by my late friend Clark Whitehorn and myself. These
include Newt's Well, Odyssey Cave, and Correy's Cave. Odyssey was our most
spectacular discovery, made in the summer of 1969, and Correy's Cave was our
last discovery as a Panama City based ridge walking team, found in 1972 shortly
before Clark's death in an auto accident.
Roger Moore
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From: David <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
To: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 30, 2010 1:25 am
Subject: [Texascavers] a few cave photos
The link below leads to nearly 700 cave photos:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_cressler/collections/72157600179120408/
Here is a sample of one of them:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4704412497_6c1eae9687_z.jpg
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The latest in bat-related
research:
<http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-11/bat-research-inspires-disciplines-far-beyond-biology>.
Mark Minton
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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The latest urban
sinkhole:
<http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Massive-crater-opens-up-German-town-aerial-view-shows-giant-landslide-residential-street-taking-car-and/ss/events/wl/110110germanycrater/im:/101101/ids_photos_wl/r971154613.jpg/>.
Mark Minton
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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The dictionary seems like a helpful resource. Being able to use some of
these words in a conversation would most likely require a very basic
knowledge of the language the caver
is trying to speak or write about.
I only see a few words missing that are used by some Mexican cavers and
also foreign cavers in Mexico.
Resumidero
El guano
Helectita ?
Cuevero ( and los cueveros ) ( slang for caver )
Pasaje
Sector ( section of a cave )
Conectar
and missing ( I think ) are
words for break-down and
twilight zone
In a normal conversation, such as around camp, there might be some slang
or colloquial adjective added to a word. Such as "la pasage termina en un
pinche sifon." ( as in frickin sump )
And it doesn't cover all the variations of a word, for example, it has the
verb
explorar, but not "exploracion."
Wikipedia in a foreign language is also a helpful tool:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano
David Locklear
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Hello David
You can use the word "Resumidero" to a Hole , where the water go out
The word "Guano" or caca, popo or excremento (heces fecales) from bat.
the word "Helectita" is the same in english
"Cuevero, espeleologo" = caver
"Pasaje" = Passage
Sector is like a area, or a part of some place to explore (section of a
cave)
"conectar or conexion" = Connect
example: we made a conexion in the cave!, the cave have a connection.
bad words
cabron: you can use in form offensive to someone or you can use this for
said is a "cabrona cave" the best cave=very difficult or this man is a
"cabron" in two different way cabron for bad things or good things. or you
can use this word like a expression Ahi Cabron! is like a difficult
situation.
Pinche is a man who help in the kitchen or a person unfairly, if the cave
is dificult with many extrange passage, is a pinche cave.
Pendejo, this word you can use when a person is stupid all the time, or have
a lot money: example: Only the "pendejo" drive a mustang, I want to be a
Pendejo... is a joke, but the people use this word for many uses.
"Hijo de la chingada", is a offensive sentences but when we said, this cave
is a hija de la chingada, is like a extremly dificult.
Guey with G, is offensive word to someone. But the people use this word
commonly in the day so, is like a hey cuate!, hey you! many people not
remember the name of the person and say that, or only for friendly situation
in a party, hey guey I need this, hi guey....
depends the form that you said and the modulation of your voice, the
intention.
I hope you can understand my ideas. My English is not good.
hello from Mexico.
Moni
2010/11/2 David <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
The dictionary seems like a helpful resource. Being able to use some of
> these words in a conversation would most likely require a very basic
> knowledge of the language the caver
> is trying to speak or write about.
>
> I only see a few words missing that are used by some Mexican cavers and
> also foreign cavers in Mexico.
>
> Resumidero
> El guano
> Helectita ?
> Cuevero ( and los cueveros ) ( slang for caver )
> Pasaje
> Sector ( section of a cave )
> Conectar
>
> and missing ( I think ) are
> words for break-down and
> twilight zone
>
> In a normal conversation, such as around camp, there might be some slang
> or colloquial adjective added to a word. Such as "la pasage termina en
> un
> pinche sifon." ( as in frickin sump )
>
> And it doesn't cover all the variations of a word, for example, it has the
> verb
> explorar, but not "exploracion."
>
> Wikipedia in a foreign language is also a helpful tool:
>
> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guano
>
> David Locklear
>
--
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
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LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
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