texascavers Digest 23 Aug 2010 05:03:38 -0000 Issue 1138
Topics (messages 15847 through 15864):
Re: Weekend Work Trip to Laguna de Sanchez
15847 by: Gary Franklin
caves and pipelines
15848 by: David
Re: Arf
15849 by: Stefan Creaser
15850 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
4WD Pathfinder for sale: Caver Special
15851 by: Chris Vreeland
15853 by: Rod Goke
15855 by: Chris Vreeland
15856 by: Rod Goke
15857 by: Don Cooper
15858 by: Chris Vreeland
New Canadian cave in the news
15852 by: David
Hello
15854 by: kfyi.aol.com
Someone's email hacked?
15859 by: Sheryl Rieck
15860 by: Charles Goldsmith
15861 by: Sheryl Rieck
costume from Devil's Sinkhole movie donated to Devil's Sinkhole Society
15862 by: Logan McNatt
TX cavers' real estate?
15863 by: Saj Zappitello
Re: TX caver real estate
15864 by: David
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Mark,
Thanks for the positive assessment and encouragement.
I edited the set of photos initially posted at the link which showed
essentially a hike down the road. Many of the non-issue area photos were
deleted to focus on the problem areas.
Many folks have offered advice toward clearing the pathway just enough for a
minimal vehicle egress. Using sand bags to fill areas between big rocks as
well as heavy duty loading ramps to lay across washout channels are all
under consideration. Similar to moving a vehicle across desert sands where
items are laid down to drive across, then keep moving these tracks as the
vehicle progresses. I challenge them to come apply their best technique.
I still need more people and another driver to help me out.
My vehicle rescue party has grown to six potentials that are still not
confirmed. Some folks describe Ediger as a superman, but we still need some
help to make this washed out road passable.
A piece of equipment would change the whole game. I saw a backhoe in
downtown Laguna de Sanchez last weekend, but was unable to find anyone to
talk to about whether it was available. I am searching for an equipment
rental company in Saltillo, but the mexican web searches are not working for
me.
You tough cavers out there need to join my party for this weekend to make
short work of this little washed out roadway. Contact me for details.
Forward any equipment rental or owner operator contacts in the Saltillo or
Santiago area as well.
Gary Franklin
UT Grotto - Austin Texas
512-585-6057
caver.g...@gmail.com
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
> I agree with Ediger's assessment that most of the road should be
> relatively easy to repair for 4WD passage. Be sure to take a chain saw, a
> come along and a winch, in addition to other earth moving tools. In a
> single day back in 2006 a group of only 8 cavers rebuilt a very washed out
> section of road right down the middle of an arroyo in Purificación, and this
> looks no worse, except for the trees. (See AMCS Activities Newsletter No.
> 30, 2007 and Death Coral Caver No 14, 2009.) Good luck! (By the way,
> Ediger's comment mentioned photos 100-104, but I counted only 93 photos
> total!?)
>
> Mark Minton
>
>
> At 08:53 AM 8/19/2010, Gary Franklin wrote:
>
>> RE: Weekend Work Trip August 28 & 29
>>
>> Cavers,
>>
>> I am planning a Weekend Work Trip to Laguna de Sanchez to work the road
>> down to the ranch at La Camotera where our vehicles were stranded during the
>> Hurricane Alex rains in early July. There are some areas that need a
>> backhoe, but much of the 4 Km road can be driven by straddling the washout
>> gouges with the 4WD vehicles that need some help to get past some obstacles.
>>
>> Join us for a quick trip to Mexico to help out some cavers who are trying
>> to get there vehicles back from a Caving trip. There was a backho in town
>> that may be for hire. I have some rock bars, shovels, picks, and a chain
>> winch that can provide a better work out than the gym. I need several folks
>> and another driver. The Road to Laguna was accessible via Saltillo where the
>> Santiago way in still lacked a section through the box canyon. We are trying
>> to get to WGS 84 - [ 25.3146, -100.210] or [ N 25 18.876 W 100 12.600 ]
>>
>> A chronological trip down the road are posted at the following public
>> link.
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078702&id=1422061735&l=f260019c74
>>
>> nd another . We are leaving out on Friday afternoon, work Saturday and
>> Sunday, and return on Monday. Give me a call or reply to my email to share
>> in the fun that will help out your fellow caver and the Rancher who has been
>> cutoff for a couple of months.
>>
>> Gary Franklin
>> UT Grotto - Austin Texas
>> 512-585-6057
>> caver.g...@gmail.com
>>
>
> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=2&a=466274
That is probably old news for some of you.
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I'm sure we could use such a dish if y'all want to make it ;-)
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From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Fri 8/20/2010 10:12 PM
To: dirt...@comcast.net; Gill Edigar
Cc: Cavers Texas; David
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Arf
... "To keep the record straight, I love dogs and have had them most of my
adult life." ...
That leaves room for interpretation, doesn't it. Lots of people around here say
they love barbecue and have had it most of their adult lives, too. You're not
planning to cook for TCR by any chance, are you?
;-)
Rod
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>From: dirt...@comcast.net
>Sent: Aug 18, 2010 9:55 AM
>To: Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net>
>Cc: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com>, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Arf
>
>
>
>Not necessarily "emergency rations". When we were caving in rural China in
>1993 and living off local rations, the cook finally came up with some really
>good meat. Consistantly the best we had all month. Turned out to be dog.
>
>
>
>Then we noticed in the vilages that kids and puppies were frolicking around,
>as do kids and puppies everywhere. There was a lack of full-grown dogs,
>except that most families kept a well-cared bitch as a family friend and
>breeding stock.
>
>
>
>That observation is non-judgemental. To keep the record straight, I love dogs
>and have had them most of my adult life. You more mature cavers certainly
>remember Crooked Thumb and Woola.
>
>
>
>DirtDoc
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: "Gill Edigar" <gi...@att.net>
>To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
>Cc: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:26:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] for you dog lovers
>
>Whilst in Jr High I was told that the American Indians had two
>domestic pets: dogs and turkeys.
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Well, I'd be glad to do so. Unfortunately, we will be in the SW China Karst
with our tour group at the time. Best I can do is have a sumptuous serving
myself, chase it with some fine Chinese beer, and think good thoughts of our
friends and colleagues in Texas.
That's the same reason we have been missing TCR in recent years. It rains 2
meters a year in the Chinese karst and the summers are hot, wet, muddy, and you
cannot see much in the rain and clouds. Lousy for tourism. You have a
narrow window in the spring, between winter and the monsoons, and that is the
best time for serious exploration of the big river caves as the water in them
is at its lowest. Then the spring-summer rain and the river caves flush, some
with 50 meters or more of water. Many with less, but the lowest passages
still become rather hostile. TCR typically conflicts with the best time for
tourism in the karst of China.
Pity.
DirtDoc
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From: "Stefan Creaser" stefan.crea...@arm.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Arf
I'm sure we could use such a dish if y'all want to make it ;-)
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From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
You're not planning to cook for TCR by any chance, are you?
;-)
Rod
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I hate to let it go, but I can't afford two cars and college tuition
for Erin, so cavers, here's your chance to help educate a caver child,
and to own a piece of caver "history" *ahem*.
Very dependable car. It has NEVER left me stranded in 9 years, except
for a dead battery, one time.
$1000.00 not-negotiable, as this is a pretty good price.
1991 Nissan Pathfinder SE V6 4WD
Standard transmission
224,200 miles
-----------
Features:
Solid off-road performance -- great granny gear, climbs well, does
okay in mud. Decent clearance.
17 mpg city / 21 hwy. if you don't drive like a maniac. (Hi, Jim!)
Yes, it has NO air conditioning.
Better-than-average after-market stereo, w. 6x9's in the back &
Pioneer power amp. iPod™ ready.
Burns a little oil -- 1 quart per 500 miles, or so.
Just inspected today.
White color reflects heat and hides mud.
6 wheels - 5 full size, 1 "space-saver" bigger-than-donut, smaller-
than-normal.
3 out of 4 electric windows roll both up and down. Passenger rear
window is stuck up.
Pre-dented for your convenience.
Previous owner somehow managed to burn a perfect Oztotl into the dash
with the cigarette lighter.
NSS life members can keep the yellow license plate dealie on the front.
Recent repairs:
Rear brake shoes and drums 2000 miles ago
Cap, rotor, spark plugs & wires & shock absorbers 4000 miles ago.
Clutch Master Cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, brake master cylinder
9000 miles ago.
Needs:
Tires within 10,000 miles.
Some front-end work: mechanic suggested front axels. Probably ~$400.00
worth of work.
I have a pretty complete repair history, and it has seen only two
mechanics since I bought it -- Charlie Savvas, and Dave at Tower
Automotive at 6th & Lamar.
Call Chris @512-289-3510 and DRIVE IT HOME TODAY!
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... "1991 Nissan Pathfinder" ... "It has NEVER left me stranded in 9 years..."
...
What about the other 10 years? (2010 - 1991 = 19)
Just wondering. ;-)
Rod
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>From: Chris Vreeland <cvreel...@austin.rr.com>
>Sent: Aug 21, 2010 5:52 PM
>To: texascavers CAVERS <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>Subject: [Texascavers] 4WD Pathfinder for sale: Caver Special
>
>I hate to let it go, but I can't afford two cars and college tuition
>for Erin, so cavers, here's your chance to help educate a caver child,
>and to own a piece of caver "history" *ahem*.
>Very dependable car. It has NEVER left me stranded in 9 years, except
>for a dead battery, one time.
>
>$1000.00 not-negotiable, as this is a pretty good price.
>
>1991 Nissan Pathfinder SE V6 4WD
>Standard transmission
>224,200 miles
>
>-----------
>
>Features:
>Solid off-road performance -- great granny gear, climbs well, does
>okay in mud. Decent clearance.
>17 mpg city / 21 hwy. if you don't drive like a maniac. (Hi, Jim!)
>Yes, it has NO air conditioning.
>Better-than-average after-market stereo, w. 6x9's in the back &
>Pioneer power amp. iPod™ ready.
>Burns a little oil -- 1 quart per 500 miles, or so.
>Just inspected today.
>White color reflects heat and hides mud.
>6 wheels - 5 full size, 1 "space-saver" bigger-than-donut, smaller-
>than-normal.
>3 out of 4 electric windows roll both up and down. Passenger rear
>window is stuck up.
>Pre-dented for your convenience.
>Previous owner somehow managed to burn a perfect Oztotl into the dash
>with the cigarette lighter.
>NSS life members can keep the yellow license plate dealie on the front.
>
>Recent repairs:
>Rear brake shoes and drums 2000 miles ago
>Cap, rotor, spark plugs & wires & shock absorbers 4000 miles ago.
>Clutch Master Cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, brake master cylinder
>9000 miles ago.
>
>Needs:
>Tires within 10,000 miles.
>Some front-end work: mechanic suggested front axels. Probably ~$400.00
>worth of work.
>
>I have a pretty complete repair history, and it has seen only two
>mechanics since I bought it -- Charlie Savvas, and Dave at Tower
>Automotive at 6th & Lamar.
>
>Call Chris @512-289-3510 and DRIVE IT HOME TODAY!
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I bought it used in 2001, with 159,000 miles on it.
On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Rod Goke wrote:
... "1991 Nissan Pathfinder" ... "It has NEVER left me stranded in 9
years..." ...
What about the other 10 years? (2010 - 1991 = 19)
Just wondering. ;-)
Rod
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From: Chris Vreeland <cvreel...@austin.rr.com>
Sent: Aug 21, 2010 5:52 PM
To: texascavers CAVERS <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] 4WD Pathfinder for sale: Caver Special
I hate to let it go, but I can't afford two cars and college tuition
for Erin, so cavers, here's your chance to help educate a caver
child,
and to own a piece of caver "history" *ahem*.
Very dependable car. It has NEVER left me stranded in 9 years, except
for a dead battery, one time.
$1000.00 not-negotiable, as this is a pretty good price.
1991 Nissan Pathfinder SE V6 4WD
Standard transmission
224,200 miles
-----------
Features:
Solid off-road performance -- great granny gear, climbs well, does
okay in mud. Decent clearance.
17 mpg city / 21 hwy. if you don't drive like a maniac. (Hi, Jim!)
Yes, it has NO air conditioning.
Better-than-average after-market stereo, w. 6x9's in the back &
Pioneer power amp. iPod™ ready.
Burns a little oil -- 1 quart per 500 miles, or so.
Just inspected today.
White color reflects heat and hides mud.
6 wheels - 5 full size, 1 "space-saver" bigger-than-donut, smaller-
than-normal.
3 out of 4 electric windows roll both up and down. Passenger rear
window is stuck up.
Pre-dented for your convenience.
Previous owner somehow managed to burn a perfect Oztotl into the dash
with the cigarette lighter.
NSS life members can keep the yellow license plate dealie on the
front.
Recent repairs:
Rear brake shoes and drums 2000 miles ago
Cap, rotor, spark plugs & wires & shock absorbers 4000 miles ago.
Clutch Master Cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, brake master cylinder
9000 miles ago.
Needs:
Tires within 10,000 miles.
Some front-end work: mechanic suggested front axels. Probably ~
$400.00
worth of work.
I have a pretty complete repair history, and it has seen only two
mechanics since I bought it -- Charlie Savvas, and Dave at Tower
Automotive at 6th & Lamar.
Call Chris @512-289-3510 and DRIVE IT HOME TODAY!
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Oh, ... you mean we can stop speculating about 10 years worth of interesting
stranded caver stories.
;-)
Rod
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>From: Chris Vreeland <cvreel...@austin.rr.com>
>Sent: Aug 22, 2010 10:28 AM
>To: texascavers CAVERS <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 4WD Pathfinder for sale: Caver Special
>
>I bought it used in 2001, with 159,000 miles on it.
>
>
>On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Rod Goke wrote:
>
>> ... "1991 Nissan Pathfinder" ... "It has NEVER left me stranded in 9
>> years..." ...
>>
>> What about the other 10 years? (2010 - 1991 = 19)
>>
>> Just wondering. ;-)
>> Rod
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Vreeland <cvreel...@austin.rr.com>
>>> Sent: Aug 21, 2010 5:52 PM
>>> To: texascavers CAVERS <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>>> Subject: [Texascavers] 4WD Pathfinder for sale: Caver Special
>>>
>>> I hate to let it go, but I can't afford two cars and college tuition
>>> for Erin, so cavers, here's your chance to help educate a caver
>>> child,
>>> and to own a piece of caver "history" *ahem*.
>>> Very dependable car. It has NEVER left me stranded in 9 years, except
>>> for a dead battery, one time.
>>>
>>> $1000.00 not-negotiable, as this is a pretty good price.
>>>
>>> 1991 Nissan Pathfinder SE V6 4WD
>>> Standard transmission
>>> 224,200 miles
>>>
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> Features:
>>> Solid off-road performance -- great granny gear, climbs well, does
>>> okay in mud. Decent clearance.
>>> 17 mpg city / 21 hwy. if you don't drive like a maniac. (Hi, Jim!)
>>> Yes, it has NO air conditioning.
>>> Better-than-average after-market stereo, w. 6x9's in the back &
>>> Pioneer power amp. iPod™ ready.
>>> Burns a little oil -- 1 quart per 500 miles, or so.
>>> Just inspected today.
>>> White color reflects heat and hides mud.
>>> 6 wheels - 5 full size, 1 "space-saver" bigger-than-donut, smaller-
>>> than-normal.
>>> 3 out of 4 electric windows roll both up and down. Passenger rear
>>> window is stuck up.
>>> Pre-dented for your convenience.
>>> Previous owner somehow managed to burn a perfect Oztotl into the dash
>>> with the cigarette lighter.
>>> NSS life members can keep the yellow license plate dealie on the
>>> front.
>>>
>>> Recent repairs:
>>> Rear brake shoes and drums 2000 miles ago
>>> Cap, rotor, spark plugs & wires & shock absorbers 4000 miles ago.
>>> Clutch Master Cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, brake master cylinder
>>> 9000 miles ago.
>>>
>>> Needs:
>>> Tires within 10,000 miles.
>>> Some front-end work: mechanic suggested front axels. Probably ~
>>> $400.00
>>> worth of work.
>>>
>>> I have a pretty complete repair history, and it has seen only two
>>> mechanics since I bought it -- Charlie Savvas, and Dave at Tower
>>> Automotive at 6th & Lamar.
>>>
>>> Call Chris @512-289-3510 and DRIVE IT HOME TODAY!
>>
>
>
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Is this the INFAMOUS Vreeland vehicle with dedicated "you'd be crazy to
steal this" paint job?
Just Also Wondering
-WaV
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Oh, ... you mean we can stop speculating about 10 years worth of
> interesting stranded caver stories.
>
> ;-)
> Rod
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Chris Vreeland <cvreel...@austin.rr.com>
> >Sent: Aug 22, 2010 10:28 AM
> >To: texascavers CAVERS <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 4WD Pathfinder for sale: Caver Special
> >
> >I bought it used in 2001, with 159,000 miles on it.
> >
> >
> >On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Rod Goke wrote:
> >
> >> ... "1991 Nissan Pathfinder" ... "It has NEVER left me stranded in 9
> >> years..." ...
> >>
> >> What about the other 10 years? (2010 - 1991 = 19)
>
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You'd be thinking of The Grey Pendejo, my '79 Chevy K10 shortbed
pickup. Sold that in order to buy the Pathfinder back in '02. I do
miss the thing terribly, but not the 10 mpg.
Anyway, I'm going to turn to Craigslist with this thing shortly, so if
any cavers are interested, get cracking. I need the cash yesterday.
CV
On Aug 22, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Don Cooper wrote:
Is this the INFAMOUS Vreeland vehicle with dedicated "you'd be crazy
to steal this" paint job?
Just Also Wondering
-WaV
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Oh, ... you mean we can stop speculating about 10 years worth of
interesting stranded caver stories.
;-)
Rod
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>From: Chris Vreeland <cvreel...@austin.rr.com>
>Sent: Aug 22, 2010 10:28 AM
>To: texascavers CAVERS <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 4WD Pathfinder for sale: Caver Special
>
>I bought it used in 2001, with 159,000 miles on it.
>
>
>On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:37 AM, Rod Goke wrote:
>
>> ... "1991 Nissan Pathfinder" ... "It has NEVER left me stranded
in 9
>> years..." ...
>>
>> What about the other 10 years? (2010 - 1991 = 19)
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http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Calgary+explorers+discover+Canada+deepest+cave+system+near+Continental/3411728/story.html
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http://magicpills44410.greatpillswellness.net/
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I got a message from k...@aol.com with a link for 'magic pills'. The subject
is Hello.
Sheryl
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Yes, and they've been removed from the mailing list until they contact me.
Charles
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Sheryl Rieck <shri...@cableone.net> wrote:
> I got a message from k...@aol.com with a link for ‘magic pills’. The
> subject is Hello.
>
>
>
> Sheryl
>
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Please ask them if the 'magic pills' work. LOL
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:53 PM
To: Sheryl Rieck
Cc: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Someone's email hacked?
Yes, and they've been removed from the mailing list until they contact me.
Charles
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Sheryl Rieck <shri...@cableone.net> wrote:
I got a message from k...@aol.com with a link for 'magic pills'. The subject
is Hello.
Sheryl
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Today I happened to pick up the August 19 issue of The Rocksprings
Record and Texas Mohair Weekly (Serving Edwards County Since 1893). On
the front page is a short article titled "Movie costume donated to
Rocksprings Visitors Center". Mrs. Donna Foster Graham donated to the
Devil's Sinkhole Society the "beautifully designed cowgirl outfit" that
she wore in the classic 1950 movie The Devil's Sinkhole, produced by her
father Fred Foster. There's a B&W photo of the outfit in the newspaper.
For those of you who haven't seen the movie, a brief background. In
1994 Mr. Foster's son Steven, who had the only remaining copy of the
film, contacted Bill Steele, who arranged for the film to be shown for
the first time in many years to a huge audience of cavers at the NSS
convention in Brackettville. Primarily through Bill's efforts, the
original 53 minute film was transferred to video and a DVD produced by
the NSS in 2005, with an additional 24 minutes of interviews with Bill
and Steven.
Just below the first article is a short notice: "Devil's Sinkhole bat
observation tours continue despite some cave closures".
see today's internet edition of the articles at
http://www.rockspringsrecord.com
Logan
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Howdy,
Now, who was it that was suggesting that one of our good TX caver
organizations (or an individual? or a sub-collective?) should buy some
property with an eye toward future caver pow-wows like TCR and spring
convention, etc. Does someone have a realistic price range in mind so that
curious minds can keep an eye on this juicy recession-fueled real estate
market? For example, there is a cleared, vacant 7.27 acre lot near Wimberly
with 300 ft of Blanco River water frontage for a mere $449000 on craigslist
right now. Or, there is 16.5 acres for $80000 with waterfront access to the
North Prong Medina River (don't know if that's enough water for swimmin').
Anyways, just keepin an eye out...
~Saj
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I think Saj had a valid question.
I recall at some kind of formal Texas caver meeting in 1993 or so, a mention
by a caver that a land acquisition fund was being set up. Whatever
happened to that?
I would think that if 400 serious cavers donated $ 100 at the same
time, you would
immediately have $ 40,000. I doubt there are 400 serious cavers
that would donate
$ 100 at the same time though.
The other problem is that that kind of money could be used to buy a
cave or at least
do something to help a cave in danger.
And then you have to have someone willing to be responsible for the
property and
pay the taxes.
I can see cavers getting together to buy a small piece of property,
but getting something as nice as a campground like Paradise Canyon, is
clearly not feasible.
Back to Saj's original question, I think that if anybody hears of a
good deal they should
not hesitate to post it on CaveTex whether it is feasible or not.
But if the goal is for cavers to gather in the outdoors, there are
less expensive
ways to do this, like renting a campground.
David Locklear
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