texascavers Digest 8 Jun 2010 16:13:36 -0000 Issue 1071
Topics (messages 15023 through 15041):
Re: Scary Border Stuff...Why Haven't We Heard?
15023 by: Charles Goldsmith
Re: Rebecca
15024 by: Chris Vreeland
15033 by: Marvin & Lisa
a cave tragedy in Mexico
15025 by: David
Facebook message ( account hijacked?)
15026 by: Bill Bentley
15027 by: Gill Edigar
15028 by: Sheryl Rieck
15031 by: Michelle Bryant
Mason Co. Bat Cave -OT
15029 by: Susie Giles
Re: NSS 2010 in Vermont: A Cool Convention
15030 by: Mixon Bill
Whirlpool access
15032 by: christ.grandecom.net
Memorial Service for Rebecca O'Daniel-Hutchins
15034 by: Fran Hutchins
15036 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
Jollyville Plateau salamander eligible for endangered list :
15035 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
We are all just a bunch of wimps
15037 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
15038 by: caverarch.aol.com
15039 by: Don Cooper
15040 by: Charles Goldsmith
15041 by: Stefan Creaser
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Ok, this is enough, people are obviously passionate about these topics, but
its not related to caving directly. Take it to the OT list.
I do not want to see anymore postings on this subject.
Thanks
Charles - list administrator
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:37 PM, A. Wertheim <[email protected]> wrote:
> If your people didnt provide the demand then maybe it wouldnt be such a
> problem. Maybe you should just legalize it.
>
> Arron
>
> *From:* Nico Escamilla
> [mailto:[email protected]]
>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 04, 2010 9:49 AM
>
>
> *To:* [email protected]
>
> *Cc:* Cavetex
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Fw: Scary Border Stuff...Why Haven't We
> Heard?
>
>
> I
> thought attachments werent allowed on the list.. Charles, are you still
> asleep
> or something?
>
> with
>
> that behind let me just say a couple things:
>
> first,
> read through, it was not Monterrey but Higueras NL
>
> second
> this is not the first gun cache that our armed forces hace seized (this is
> like
> the fourth or fifth one and others have been larger)
>
> third
> most if not all of this weapons are gringo made so stop complaining about
> violence spilling over to your side of the river if it is exactly that side
> where this weapons are coming from.. yes the bad guys are better armed
> because
> yall´s government cant do shit about arms coming into my country.
>
> things
>
> wouldnt be this way if your country wasnt the major drug consumer in the
> world,
> or my country wasnt located right next to it.
>
> back
>
> to my corner
>
>
> Nico
>
>
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I hadn't heard about her illness, either. Rebecca & I had some great
times down at Govt. Canyon in years past -- she was the only person I
know of so far who's managed to make it past the tight squeeze at the
bottom of Lost Pothole. She was a great caver & fine human being who
will be terribly missed by me. Fran, I'm so sorry for your loss.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Logan McNatt wrote:
This is very sad and shocking news. I did not know Rebecca was
sick. My sincere condolences to Fran and Rebecca's families and
friends.
Logan
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[email protected] wrote:
A lot of folks are asking for more info on Rebecca-O'Daniel-
Hutchins. I included her previous last name as some folks don't
recognize her as Hutchins..... Fran will meet with the minister
again on monday and will finalize everything. He is pushing for a
service on June 19th a Saturday, hopefully around 10:30 am with a
snack time following the service in the FellowShip hall. The service
will only be the service with no speaches just the service. Those
wishing to express there feelings can do so at the wake following
the service .Services will be held at the Alamo Heights Presp.
Church on Broadway. I'll try my best to keep everyone informed. It
was requested by Rebecca prior to her passing that any money for
flowers should be donated to TCMA.
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From: Chris Vreeland [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 4:14 PM
To: TEXAS CAVERS
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Rebecca
I hadn't heard about her illness, either. Rebecca & I had some great
times down at Govt. Canyon in years past -- she was the only person I
know of so far who's managed to make it past the tight squeeze at the
bottom of Lost Pothole. She was a great caver & fine human being who
will be terribly missed by me. Fran, I'm so sorry for your loss.
On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:12 PM, Logan McNatt wrote:
> This is very sad and shocking news. I did not know Rebecca was
> sick. My sincere condolences to Fran and Rebecca's families and
> friends.
>
> Logan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> A lot of folks are asking for more info on Rebecca-O'Daniel-
> Hutchins. I included her previous last name as some folks don't
> recognize her as Hutchins..... Fran will meet with the minister
> again on monday and will finalize everything. He is pushing for a
> service on June 19th a Saturday, hopefully around 10:30 am with a
> snack time following the service in the FellowShip hall. The service
> will only be the service with no speaches just the service. Those
> wishing to express there feelings can do so at the wake following
> the service .Services will be held at the Alamo Heights Presp.
> Church on Broadway. I'll try my best to keep everyone informed. It
> was requested by Rebecca prior to her passing that any money for
> flowers should be donated to TCMA.
>
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You don't want to read this e-mail, so I am putting it far down the
screen, so you will not accidentally see it.
You will most likely have heard about it by the time you read this
e-mail.
Police entered a cave near Cancun and found 6 bodies,
2 of which were female.
I am going to leave out the details, as they are too
gruesome to put here.
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Somebody contact Jill and please tell me this isn't so...
Thanks,
Bill
____________________________________________
Jill Orr June 7 at 6:54am
I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but it's
because of the situation of things right now,I'm stuck in Wales United Kingdom
with family right now,we came down here on vacation ,we were robbed, worse of
it was that our bags, cash and credit cards were stolen of us at GUN POINT,
it's such a crazy experience for us, we need help flying back home, the
authorities are not being 100% supportive but the good thing is that we still
have our passports but don't have enough money to clear the hotel bill, please
i need you to loan me some money, i will reimburse you as soon as I'm back
home, i promise.You have my word
THANKS
Jill
hey
6:33am
Me
hello
hello
6:35amJill is offline.
6:57amJill
you there??
6:57am
Me
yes
6:58amJill
did you got my massasge
6:58amMe
no
what message?
6:59amJill
am in a terible situation as we speak
check your fb massage
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I've got a similar msg on my FB chat right now.
--Ediger
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Bill Bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
> Somebody contact Jill and please tell me this isn't so...
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> ____________________________________________
>
>
> Jill Orr <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826> June 7 at
> 6:54am
> I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but
> it's because of the situation of things right now,I'm stuck in Wales United
> Kingdom with family right now,we came down here on vacation ,we were robbed,
> worse of it was that our bags, cash and credit cards were stolen of us at
> GUN POINT, it's such a crazy experience for us, we need help flying back
> home, the authorities are not being 100% supportive but the good thing is
> that we still have our passports but don't have enough money to clear the
> hotel bill, please i need you to loan me some money, i will reimburse you as
> soon as I'm back home, i promise.You have my word
>
> THANKS
>
>
> Jill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826>
>
> hey
> 6:33am Me
>
> hello
>
> hello
> 6:35amJill is offline.
> 6:57amJill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826>
>
> you there??
> 6:57am Me
>
> yes
> 6:58amJill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826>
>
> did you got my massasge
> 6:58amMe
>
> no
>
> what message?
> 6:59amJill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826>
>
> am in a terible situation as we speak
>
> check your fb massage
>
>
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First, no one from the US would '.come down.' to the UK on vacation. They
would '.came over..'. Second, Jill never mentioned going to the UK when I
saw her a week ago, so I suspect she ain't there. Third, why would the
authorities not be 100% supportive? And, 4th, why weren't their passports
stolen? Passports are a highly valued commodity on the black market over
there.
It ain't so. This has been going around on FB and email for quite some time
now.
Sheryl
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:22 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Facebook message ( account hijacked?)
I've got a similar msg on my FB chat right now.
--Ediger
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Bill Bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
Somebody contact Jill and please tell me this isn't so...
Thanks,
Bill
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Jill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826> Orr June 7 at
6:54am
I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but
it's because of the situation of things right now,I'm stuck in Wales United
Kingdom with family right now,we came down here on vacation ,we were robbed,
worse of it was that our bags, cash and credit cards were stolen of us at
GUN POINT, it's such a crazy experience for us, we need help flying back
home, the authorities are not being 100% supportive but the good thing is
that we still have our passports but don't have enough money to clear the
hotel bill, please i need you to loan me some money, i will reimburse you as
soon as I'm back home, i promise.You have my word
THANKS
Jill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826>
hey
6:33am
Me
hello
hello
6:35amJill is offline.
6:57amJill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826>
you there??
6:57am
Me
yes
6:58amJill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826>
did you got my massasge
6:58amMe
no
what message?
6:59amJill <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740215826>
am in a terible situation as we speak
check your fb massage
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Everyone. This is a hoax. Her account has been hihacked. Please disregard
the email from Jill Orr requesting money.
--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Bill Bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Bill Bentley <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook message ( account hijacked?)
To: "Texascavers Mailing List" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 1:04 PM
Somebody contact Jill and please tell me this isn't so...
Thanks,
Bill
____________________________________________
Jill Orr June 7 at 6:54am
I'm sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent but it's
because of the situation of things right now,I'm stuck in Wales United Kingdom
with family right now,we came down here on vacation ,we were robbed, worse of
it was that our bags, cash and credit cards were stolen of us at GUN POINT,
it's such a crazy experience for us, we need help flying back home, the
authorities are not being 100% supportive but the good thing is that we still
have our passports but don't have enough money to clear the hotel bill, please
i need you to loan me some money, i will reimburse you as soon as I'm back
home, i promise.You have my word
THANKS
Jill
hey
6:33am
Me
hello
hello
6:35amJill is offline.
6:57amJill
you there??
6:57am
Me
yes
6:58amJill
did you got my massasge
6:58amMe
no
what message?
6:59amJill
am in a terible situation as we speak
check your fb massage
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Does anyone have directions to the Mason Co. Bat Cave? Known locally for
it's awesome bat flight. I would be coming from Brady on 87/377. Do you
know if there is a good place for tent camping nearby?
I'm so sorry to hear of Rebecca's passing. I really enjoyed her company.
Happy Trails,
Susie
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From: "2010 NSS Convention" <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: June 7, 2010 11:37:25 AM CDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: NSS 2010 in Vermont: A Cool Convention
Reply-To: "2010 NSS Convention" <[email protected]
>
Pack up and come join your friends from August 2-6 in the beautiful
Champlain valley of Vermont for the 2010 NSS Convention. Don’t
miss
the early registration discount that ends June 15! You can register
securely online at www.nss2010.com/registration. Bring all your
caving buddies!
You’ll be just ten minutes from Burlington, a charming city
between
the beautiful Green Mountains and the incredible waterfront on Lake
Champlain, with every water-related activity imaginable. This
year’s event will be great for the whole family with so much to
see
and do near the amazing Convention site:
- Pre-convention camp at the Adirondacks, the Sunday Geology field
trip and a tour of the oldest granite quarries in the country.
- Howdy Party featuring Banjo Dan (www.banjodan.com) and the
Midnight
Plowboys, tastes of Vermont, a variety of local microbrew and Ben
and
Jerry’s ice cream!
- Great sessions, salons, section meetings, vertical workshops,
competitions and our NSS Awards Banquet to wrap up the week.
- Plenty of caving opportunities, both horizontal and vertical, in
unique marble, dolomite and talus formations.
- Junior Speleological Society section of the EXPO facility,
including games, art, music, talks from renowned cavers and
scientists, and JSS excursions that will include caving.
- Comfortable camping and a top-notch convention experience at the
Vermont EXPO!
- Many other activities such as hiking, waterfall tours, biking,
climbing, kayaking and sailing, diving, and lots of fascinating
tourist attractions.
WNS? No Problem - If you live outside the WNS affected area you
won’t need to bring your own personal cave gear! There will be an
extensive gear loaning station supplied by the Central Connecticut
Grotto and northeastern cavers, so we strongly encourage you to
leave
yours at home. Cavers from the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service will
set up and oversee a full cleaning and decontamination station.
The NSS Convention and Vermont should not be missed. With an
international airport, Amtrak, and bus service in Burlington,
traveling here is easy. Everything you need to know about the
convention can be found at www.nss2010.com. Don’t sit at home
alone; come join us for a week of speleological fun! CaVermont!
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I want to take a couple of eight year olds to Whirlpool this weekend.
I've been trying to contact whom I think is the cave manager for weeks
but haven't had any success. If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it.
If you'd like to join us; I'd like to go on Sun. Thanks,
Chris
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The Memorial Service for Rebecca O'Daniel-Hutchins will be held at Alamo
Heights Presbyterian Church on Saturday June 19th at 10:30 am with a reception
to follow.
Alamo Heights Presbyterian Church
6201 Broadway St
San Antonio, TX 78209-4562
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Thanks, Fran, for the info and so sorry for your loss.
Would anyone have an obit or know of one I could use for the Texas Caver?
Thanks,
Mark
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From: Fran Hutchins [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tue 6/8/2010 12:06 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Memorial Service for Rebecca O'Daniel-Hutchins
The Memorial Service for Rebecca O'Daniel-Hutchins will be held at Alamo
Heights Presbyterian Church on Saturday June 19th at 10:30 am with a reception
to follow.
Alamo Heights Presbyterian Church
6201 Broadway St
San Antonio, TX 78209-4562
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Jollyville Plateau salamander eligible for endangered list
By: News 8 Austin Staff
Photo courtesy of the City of Austin.
The Jollyville Plateau salamander is currently eligible under the Endangered
Species Act.
The Jollyville Plateau salamander is normally found in springs and caves within
the Jollyville Plateau area of the Edwards Aquifer, which is located in
northern Travis and southern Williamson counties.
The Watershed Protection and Development Review Department said the limited
range of habitat makes the salamander more susceptible to extinction.
The Save our Springs Alliance has filed a petition stating expanding
urbanization and poor water quality are the reasons for the salamander's
decline in numbers.
Resources are currently not available to list the salamander, however, the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service said the change could occur soon.
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Tiny-lunged wimps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0&feature=player_embedded
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
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Wow! That really was something different - and amazing. I dug that he
free-climbed out of the blue hole, didn't just dump his weights and swim up.
Roger Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Gluesenkamp <[email protected]>
To: texas cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 10:45 am
Subject: [Texascavers] We are all just a bunch of wimps
Tiny-lunged wimps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0&feature=player_embedded
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
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Filmed by some guy with a rebreather!
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Tiny-lunged wimps.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0&feature=player_embedded
>
> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
> 700 Billie Brooks Drive
> Driftwood, Texas 78619
> (512) 799-1095
> [email protected]
>
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It's hard to tell how deep he goes, but is this safe? I'm no diver, and
certainly no expert, but isn't this dangerous from the bends perspective?
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Tiny-lunged wimps.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0&feature=player_embedded
>
> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
> 700 Billie Brooks Drive
> Driftwood, Texas 78619
> (512) 799-1095
> [email protected]
>
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No, you start and end with the same air in your body that you started
with when freediving. The bends are caused by you absorbing nitrogen
into the blood that you are breathing at depth.
That's the quick, simple explanation...
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 10:48 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] We are all just a bunch of wimps
It's hard to tell how deep he goes, but is this safe? I'm no diver, and
certainly no expert, but isn't this dangerous from the bends
perspective?
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp
<[email protected]> wrote:
Tiny-lunged wimps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0&feature=player_embedded
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
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