texascavers Digest 13 Jun 2010 01:16:05 -0000 Issue 1078
Topics (messages 15102 through 15106):
[Deep & Punkin' Nature Preserve]
15102 by: Don Arburn
Re: LEDs for Locklear
15103 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
15104 by: mark gee
Re: carbide vs LED
15105 by: mark gee
Re: another passing
15106 by: Gill Edigar
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Anyone interested in helping in the next couple of weeks? Completing
porch work is the focus, with caving as a reward. There is some
interest in weekdays, that is an option. Please contact Aaron
Wertheim <[email protected]> or myself if interested in helping,
thanks!
Don Arburn
Deep and Punkin Nature Preserve.
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You could hardly use this like Q-beams are used to subdue a miscreant.
T
"Book 'em, Dan-o!"
Jun 12, 2010 02:39:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Here ya go, David!
Alex
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It could light up the Big Room At Carlsbad. The question is how long do the
batteries last and how heavy is it? Cool light.
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Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 3:36:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] LEDs for Locklear
You could hardly use this like Q-beams are used to subdue a miscreant.
T
"Book 'em, Dan-o!"
Jun 12, 2010 02:39:24 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Here ya go, David!
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>http://hacknmod.com/hack/massive-500-led-extreme-flashlight/
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What you talked bout Willis!
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From: Don Arburn <[email protected]>
To: Texas Cavers List <[email protected]>
Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 2:50:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] carbide vs LED
Seriously!?
On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Philip L Moss <[email protected]> wrote:
㰀䠀吀䴀䰀 搀椀爀㴀氀琀爀㸀㰀䠀䔀䄀䐀㸀 㰀䴀䔀吀䄀 挀漀渀琀攀渀琀㴀∀䴀匀䠀吀䴀䰀 㘀⸀ ⸀㘀 ㈀⸀㠀㈀㔀㔀∀
渀愀洀攀㴀䜀䔀一䔀刀䄀吀伀刀㸀㰀⼀䠀䔀䄀䐀㸀 㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀㰀䄀 栀爀攀昀㴀∀洀愀椀氀琀漀㨀䴀愀爀欀⸀䄀氀洀愀渀䀀氀ⴀ㌀挀漀洀⸀挀漀洀∀㸀䴀愀爀欀⸀䄀氀洀愀渀㰀⼀䄀㸀 眀爀椀琀攀猀㨀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
> 㰀䐀䤀嘀 搀椀爀㴀氀琀爀㸀㰀䘀伀一吀 昀愀挀攀㴀䄀爀椀愀氀 挀漀氀漀爀㴀⌀ 猀椀稀攀㴀㈀㸀㰀⼀䘀伀一吀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>>Wow, after reading all of these 渀攀愀爀ⴀ搀攀愀琀栀 椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀猀 挀愀甀猀攀搀 戀礀 漀爀 愀爀漀甀渀搀
>>挀愀爀戀椀搀攀Ⰰ 椀琀 洀愀欀攀猀 洀攀 眀漀渀搀攀爀 眀栀礀 anyone would consider not switching to 100%
>>LED use! 㰀䐀䤀嘀 搀椀爀㴀氀琀爀㸀㰀䘀伀一吀 昀愀挀攀㴀䄀爀椀愀氀 猀椀稀攀㴀㈀㸀㰀⼀䘀伀一吀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>> 㰀䐀䤀嘀 搀椀爀㴀氀琀爀㸀㰀䘀伀一吀 昀愀挀攀㴀䄀爀椀愀氀 猀椀稀攀㴀㈀㸀䴀愀爀欀㰀⼀䘀伀一吀㸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>> 㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀圀攀氀氀Ⰰ 䤀 挀漀甀氀搀 焀甀椀戀戀氀攀 愀戀漀甀琀 眀栀攀琀栀攀爀 漀爀 渀漀琀 挀愀爀戀椀搀攀 挀愀甀猀攀搀 愀氀氀 琀栀攀
>>椀渀挀椀搀攀渀琀猀 or whether say the propane leak might have been a cause? An
>>accident is 眀栀愀琀 栀愀瀀瀀攀渀猀 眀栀攀渀 琀栀攀 椀洀洀甀琀愀戀氀攀 氀愀眀猀 漀昀 瀀栀礀猀椀挀猀 愀爀攀 椀最渀漀爀攀搀⸀ ⴀ
>>䄀洀戀爀漀猀攀 Bierce㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>But what about all the deaths carbide has prevented? I can think of a 昀攀眀
>琀爀椀瀀猀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀氀礀 眀栀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 挀愀爀戀椀搀攀 氀愀洀瀀猀 眀攀爀攀 琀栀攀 漀渀氀礀 椀渀搀椀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 栀椀最栀
>CO2/low O2. More than once I have rappelled into bad air and knew almost
>椀洀洀攀搀椀愀琀攀氀礀 戀礀 琀栀攀 爀攀猀瀀漀渀猀攀 漀昀 洀礀 挀愀爀戀椀搀攀 氀愀洀瀀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 吀栀攀 洀漀猀琀 爀攀挀攀渀琀 琀椀洀攀
>眀愀猀 less than a year ago. No LED light will tell you that. For those of
>礀漀甀 眀栀漀 搀漀渀✀琀 栀愀瘀攀 洀甀挀栀 攀砀瀀攀爀椀攀渀挀攀 眀椀琀栀 氀漀眀 伀㈀ 椀渀 挀愀瘀攀猀Ⰰ 椀琀 挀愀渀 戀攀 栀椀最栀氀礀
>stratified in caves. I have had my head
in 15% 02 while at my feet it was 㤀─ ⠀䤀 栀愀搀 愀 洀攀琀攀爀 琀栀愀琀
搀愀礀⤀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀伀匀䠀䄀 昀漀爀戀椀搀猀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 椀渀 愀琀洀漀猀瀀栀攀爀攀猀 below 18% O2, if memory
serves. At 9%, one passes out very quickly. 䤀洀愀最椀渀攀 礀漀甀 愀爀攀 爀愀瀀瀀攀氀氀椀渀最 椀渀琀漀
愀 猀琀爀愀琀椀昀椀攀搀 愀琀洀漀猀瀀栀攀爀攀 猀椀洀椀氀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀椀猀 one. How slowly are you rapelling and
how are you going to notice the 挀栀愀渀最攀猀 椀渀 愀椀爀 焀甀愀氀椀琀礀㼀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䌀栀愀渀最椀渀最 漀瘀攀爀 椀渀
戀愀搀 愀椀爀 椀猀 瘀攀爀礀 搀椀昀昀椀挀甀氀琀 椀渀 洀礀 experience even if the air quality is
significantly better than 9% O2; low O2
洀愀欀攀猀 漀渀攀 猀琀甀瀀椀搀 ⠀琀攀洀瀀漀爀愀爀椀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀 愀洀 氀攀搀 琀漀 戀攀氀椀攀瘀攀⤀⸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀䌀愀瀀 氀愀洀瀀猀 洀愀爀欀 猀琀愀琀椀漀渀猀 眀攀氀氀 眀椀琀栀 爀攀洀漀瘀愀戀氀攀Ⰰ 爀攀氀愀琀椀瘀攀氀礀 戀攀渀椀最渀 洀愀爀欀猀 愀渀搀
> will mark on relatively wet surfaces.㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>A cap lamp can be made completely nonmagnetic, is easily removable so that
>漀渀攀 挀愀渀 爀攀愀搀 椀渀猀琀爀甀洀攀渀琀猀 眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 栀愀瘀椀渀最 礀攀琀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 瀀椀攀挀攀 漀昀 攀焀甀椀瀀洀攀渀琀 琀漀
>戀爀椀渀最 into the cave.㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>They work and are durable. I have used a cap lamp since I started 挀愀瘀椀渀最 椀渀
>㤀㜀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 琀爀椀攀搀 攀氀攀挀琀爀椀挀猀 漀瘀攀爀 琀栀攀 礀攀愀爀猀 昀爀漀洀 琀椀洀攀 琀漀 琀椀洀攀 and
>currently own an Apex. I still have yet to find one I trust to 氀愀猀琀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀
>䴀礀 䄀瀀攀砀 氀攀愀欀猀 椀昀 䤀 瀀甀琀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀甀渀搀攀爀 眀愀琀攀爀 愀渀搀 猀漀漀渀攀爀 漀爀 氀愀琀攀爀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 corrode
>and quit working from that or some other reason that I will fail to
>甀渀搀攀爀猀琀愀渀搀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 搀爀漀瀀瀀攀搀 愀 挀愀瀀 氀愀洀瀀 搀漀眀渀 愀 㤀 昀漀漀琀 瀀椀琀㬀 椀琀 栀愀搀 愀
>洀椀渀漀爀 ding and I was able to continue
using it for many more years and still have it 椀渀 眀漀爀欀椀渀最 漀爀搀攀爀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 吀栀攀
䄀甀琀漀氀椀琀攀 䤀 愀洀 甀猀椀渀最 椀猀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 洀漀爀攀 琀栀愀渀 㔀 礀攀愀爀猀 old. With very low tech
maintenance, there is nothing that will go wrong 眀椀琀栀 椀琀 琀栀愀琀 䤀 挀愀渀渀漀琀 昀椀砀
眀椀琀栀漀甀琀 琀漀漀氀猀 椀渀 琀栀攀 挀愀瘀攀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䄀渀搀 椀琀 眀椀氀氀 瀀爀漀戀愀戀氀礀 go another 50 years with
a reasonable amount of care (which is more than I can 猀愀礀 昀漀爀 洀攀⤀⸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀䐀漀 礀漀甀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀愀琀 愀渀礀 漀昀 琀栀攀 椀渀搀椀瘀椀搀甀愀氀 氀椀最栀琀猀 椀渀 甀猀攀 琀漀搀愀礀 眀椀氀氀 猀琀椀氀氀
>useable in 20 years? How many times have you been on a trip where an
>攀氀攀挀琀爀椀挀 氀椀最栀琀 栀愀猀 挀漀洀瀀氀攀琀攀氀礀 昀愀椀氀攀搀㼀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 栀愀瘀攀 猀攀攀渀 椀琀 昀爀攀焀甀攀渀琀氀礀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀
>匀漀 far, I have not seen a Stenlight fail, but I have seen several Apex fail
>and 栀椀最栀 渀甀洀戀攀爀 漀昀 倀攀琀稀攀氀 瀀爀漀搀甀挀琀猀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䈀甀琀 匀琀攀渀氀椀最栀琀猀Ⰰ 眀栀椀氀攀 瘀攀爀礀 戀爀椀最栀琀
>愀爀攀 愀氀猀漀 very magnetic and pretty expensive. 㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>Carbides are still not very good for diving I will grant, but with a little
>欀渀漀眀氀攀搀最攀Ⰰ 琀栀攀礀 猀琀愀渀搀 甀瀀 琀漀 氀漀渀最ⴀ琀攀爀洀 椀洀洀攀爀猀椀漀渀 焀甀椀琀攀 眀攀氀氀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀 眀椀氀氀 愀氀猀漀
> grant they have real drawbacks on multi-day in cave camps. And there 椀猀 愀
>氀攀愀爀渀椀渀最 挀甀爀瘀攀 琀栀愀琀 愀瀀瀀攀愀爀猀 琀漀 戀攀 愀 戀椀琀 洀甀挀栀 昀漀爀 猀漀洀攀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀
>㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀䠀漀眀攀瘀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 渀漀 氀漀渀最攀爀 攀渀挀漀甀爀愀最攀 渀攀眀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀 琀漀 甀猀攀 挀愀爀戀椀搀攀 氀愀洀瀀猀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䤀
>搀漀 think that a durable enough LED light for a reasonable price is 渀漀琀 昀愀爀
>漀昀昀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䈀甀琀 䤀 琀栀椀渀欀 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 猀漀洀攀 爀攀愀氀 advantages in having some of us
>around (OK, so I am not around you in 瀀愀爀琀椀挀甀氀愀爀⤀ 眀栀漀 猀琀椀氀氀 欀渀漀眀 愀渀搀 甀猀攀 琀栀攀
>漀氀搀 琀攀挀栀渀漀氀漀最椀攀猀⸀☀渀戀猀瀀㬀 䄀渀搀 洀漀猀琀 漀昀 甀猀 don't bring CO2 meters
caving.㰀䐀䤀嘀㸀㰀䈀刀㸀倀栀椀氀椀瀀 䰀⸀ 䴀漀猀猀㰀䈀刀㸀瀀栀椀氀椀瀀洀漀猀猀䀀樀甀渀漀⸀挀漀洀㰀䈀刀㸀㰀⼀䐀䤀嘀㸀㰀⼀䈀伀䐀夀㸀㰀⼀䠀吀䴀䰀㸀
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This is a sad turn of events. I always liked Johnny.
--Ediger
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mixon Bill <[email protected]>wrote:
> Johnny Dearshits, b. May 1941, d. April 10, 2010. R.I.P.
>
> Johnny Dearshits was the guy who was crawling through the formations in the
> original version of the semicircular National Speleological Society logo. He
> first appeared in a Tom Culverwell sketch on the cover of NSS bulletin 2.
> When the current streamlined version of the logo was made official by the
> Board of Governors some years ago (about 1970), I successfully moved to
> amend the motion to permit continued use of the traditional version by those
> who wanted to. During its spring meeting this year, the BOG formally laid
> Johnny Dearshits to rest.
> --Mixon
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