texascavers Digest 2 Jul 2010 19:48:46 -0000 Issue 1092
Topics (messages 15243 through 15255):
Re: Laguna De Sanchez
15243 by: Ron Rutherford
15244 by: Don Arburn
15245 by: caverarch.aol.com
15246 by: Don Arburn
15247 by: Espeleo Coahuila
15248 by: Gill Edigar
15249 by: Nico Escamilla
15250 by: caverarch.aol.com
15251 by: Gill Edigar
15252 by: Espeleo Coahuila
15253 by: wesley s
15254 by: caverarch.aol.com
Re: Tropical Depression Alex
15255 by: Miguel Blanco
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Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them
this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
> It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there
> are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused
> by the recent weather event.
> Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how
> would that be done?
>
> -WaV
>
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Ron Rutherford
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According to Monica, the road between Monterrey and Saltillo is out.
Not good.
Don's iPhone.
On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Ron Rutherford <[email protected]>
wrote:
Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to
join them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]>
wrote:
It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down
there are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road
problems caused by the recent weather event.
Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities?
And how would that be done?
-WaV
--
Ron Rutherford
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All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about
the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the
region by now.)
Steve Yoachum just wrote me that "Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported
to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow."
That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they
had 300 mm.
Roger Moore
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From: Ron Rutherford <[email protected]>
To: Cavers, Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this
weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in
a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the
recent weather event.
Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how
would that be done?
-WaV
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Ron Rutherford
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They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although
the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't
worry just yet...
On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows
> about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in
> the region by now.)
>
> Steve Yoachum just wrote me that "Up to 30 inches of rain has now been
> reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow."
>
> That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that
> they had 300 mm.
>
> Roger Moore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Rutherford <[email protected]>
> To: Cavers, Texas <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
>
> Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them
> this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
> It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are
> in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by
> the recent weather event.
> Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how
> would that be done?
>
> -WaV
>
> --
> Ron Rutherford
>
>
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ok friends
I have a contact with Nancy Cuevas from ITESM and she tell me about all the
things that she and her group do for try to help a Jim and the others.
They have contact with Civil Protection, and we give at this institution all
the information that we have, they ask for the names, we need to know how
many people are there and try to localized,
I give GPS coordenadas and the trip schedule. I talked today with my brother
in law and he said all the roads in the mountain, and higway are destroyed,
the wather in the river is more dangerous than Gilberto Hurricane, they try
to pass but they cannot to do nothing yesterday.
Nancy no has communication more by phone I have the phone of Civil
protection and I will call them for have more news about ours friends.
I think they are well, they are professional in difficult situation, they
had equipment and very good trucks, and they are well.
if they have radios, do you know with channel they use? is a good idea to
try ! let me know
I tell you later.
Moni
2010/7/2 Don Arburn <[email protected]>
> They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance,
> although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I
> wouldn't worry just yet...
>
> On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows
> about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone
> in the region by now.)
>
> Steve Yoachum just wrote me that "Up to 30 inches of rain has now been
> reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow."
>
> That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me
> that they had 300 mm.
>
> Roger Moore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Rutherford <[email protected]>
> To: Cavers, Texas <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
>
> Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them
> this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there
>> are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused
>> by the recent weather event.
>> Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how
>> would that be done?
>>
>> -WaV
>>
>
> --
> Ron Rutherford
>
>
>
>
--
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
[email protected]
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DO NOT PANIC. The cavers at Laguna de Sanchez do not need any help from the
authorities or rescue. There's no reason to assume that they are in any
danger. They can make decisions about their safety without unrequested
assistance from others. Sending a search party will only cause them more
trouble. Some of them can walk out, others will stay with the vehicles.
Don't try to help them. They know better than we do when they need help and
they know where to get it. They just have to sit an wait (and go caving)
like everybody else down there.
Look, nobody can get to them before the roads are fixed and that will be,
coincidentally, the same time that they can drive out. The whole concept of
rescuing them is silly. They are in a better position to help themselves
than we are to help them. They are competent and some potential rescuers are
not. Just leave them be. I expect one of them to walk out and make a phone
call soon. When they do that we will know what kind of transportation we'll
need to send them to bring them back to Texas.
--Ediger
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Don Arburn <[email protected]> wrote:
> They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance,
> although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I
> wouldn't worry just yet...
>
> On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows
> about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone
> in the region by now.)
>
> Steve Yoachum just wrote me that "Up to 30 inches of rain has now been
> reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow."
>
> That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me
> that they had 300 mm.
>
> Roger Moore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Rutherford <[email protected]>
> To: Cavers, Texas <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
>
> Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them
> this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there
>> are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused
>> by the recent weather event.
>> Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how
>> would that be done?
>>
>> -WaV
>>
>
> --
> Ron Rutherford
>
>
>
>
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No road to Laguna de Sanchez to speak of, just saw the news Monterrey topped
at over
800 mm of rain, Im sure it was worse in the mountains south of the city, the
canyon that leads to Laguna is flooded I dont think the Tec cavers will be
able to get there (unless one of them owns an ultralight airplane or powered
paraglider) its useless to try and get there no matter how badass a truck
you're driving. Again they should be ok and we should not panic, worse that
can happen is that they'll spend a few wet and miserable nights.
Nico
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Nancy now has no water, but still has power, thankfully.
Roger
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From: Espeleo Coahuila <[email protected]>
To: Don Arburn <[email protected]>
Cc: TSA Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
ok friends
I have a contact with Nancy Cuevas from ITESM and she tell me about all the
things that she and her group do for try to help a Jim and the others.
They have contact with Civil Protection, and we give at this institution all
the information that we have, they ask for the names, we need to know how
manypeople are there and try to localized,
I give GPS coordenadas and thetrip schedule. I talked today with my brother in
law and he said all theroads in the mountain, and higway are destroyed, the
wather in theriver is more dangerous than Gilberto Hurricane, they try to pass
butthey cannot to do nothing yesterday.
Nancy no has communication more by phone I have the phone of Civilprotection
and I will call them for have more news about ours friends.
I think they are well, they are professional in difficult situation, they had
equipment and very good trucks, and they are well.
if they have radios, do you know with channel they use? is a good idea to try !
let me know
I tell you later.
Moni
2010/7/2 Don Arburn <[email protected]>
They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although
the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't
worry just yet...
On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about
the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the
region by now.)
Steve Yoachum just wrote me that "Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported
to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow."
That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they
had 300 mm.
Roger Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Rutherford <[email protected]>
To: Cavers, Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this
weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in
a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the
recent weather event.
Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how
would that be done?
-WaV
--
Ron Rutherford
--
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
[email protected]
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The one thing we should not do is notify the Civil Protection authorities.
There's an emergency going on down there and they couldn't care any more
about a dozen gringos than the other couple of million Mexicans who have
been affected by this hurricane. Our people were in a good place to weather
the storm. Don't let your imagination run away with your unwarranted fears.
The gringos can walk out or wait and come out just like everybody else when
the road is put back into passable condition. We will see some of them soon,
I'm predicting. We can go down and bring the cars and gear back later.
--Ediger
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how
> would that be done?
>
> -WaV
>
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Ok I understand Gill, I'm In NOT PANIC, I know they are proffesional
speleologist, and they can go out of difficult situation. They are well.
The people from N.L. ask me information, they want to know where they are,
because the roads are close, all the communication is bad no phone, no
internet, no nothing, maybe they can spend more time that they plan, and
need water and food for more time, there.
I can help because I have connection and try to know more about the
situation, but If you don't want I don't move nothing. OK
I will copy your message for the people in Monterrey and they decide that
they want to do.
thanks and sorry for try to help.
Monica Ponce
ACEAC
2010/7/2 Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
> DO NOT PANIC. The cavers at Laguna de Sanchez do not need any help from the
> authorities or rescue. There's no reason to assume that they are in any
> danger. They can make decisions about their safety without unrequested
> assistance from others. Sending a search party will only cause them more
> trouble. Some of them can walk out, others will stay with the vehicles.
> Don't try to help them. They know better than we do when they need help and
> they know where to get it. They just have to sit an wait (and go caving)
> like everybody else down there.
>
> Look, nobody can get to them before the roads are fixed and that will be,
> coincidentally, the same time that they can drive out. The whole concept of
> rescuing them is silly. They are in a better position to help themselves
> than we are to help them. They are competent and some potential rescuers are
> not. Just leave them be. I expect one of them to walk out and make a phone
> call soon. When they do that we will know what kind of transportation we'll
> need to send them to bring them back to Texas.
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Don Arburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance,
>> although the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I
>> wouldn't worry just yet...
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows
>> about the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone
>> in the region by now.)
>>
>> Steve Yoachum just wrote me that "Up to 30 inches of rain has now been
>> reported to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow."
>>
>> That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me
>> that they had 300 mm.
>>
>> Roger Moore
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron Rutherford <[email protected]>
>> To: Cavers, Texas <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
>>
>> Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join
>> them this weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there
>>> are in a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused
>>> by the recent weather event.
>>> Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And
>>> how would that be done?
>>>
>>> -WaV
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ron Rutherford
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
[email protected]
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Moni,
Jim y los otros no necesitan ayuda ahora. Esperate un dia o dos. La Protecion
Civil tienen suficiente problemas ahora. Los cuevadores no estan uno de las
problemas.
Wes~
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:48:58 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
ok friends
I have a contact with Nancy Cuevas from ITESM and she tell me about all the
things that she and her group do for try to help a Jim and the others.
They have contact with Civil Protection, and we give at this institution all
the information that we have, they ask for the names, we need to know how many
people are there and try to localized,
I give GPS coordenadas and the
trip schedule. I talked today with my brother in law and he said all the
roads in the mountain, and higway are destroyed, the wather in the
river is more dangerous than Gilberto Hurricane, they try to pass but
they cannot to do nothing yesterday.
Nancy no has communication more by phone I have the phone of Civil
protection and I will call them for have more news about ours friends.
I think they are well, they are professional in difficult situation, they had
equipment and very good trucks, and they are well.
if they have radios, do you know with channel they use? is a good idea to try !
let me know
I tell you later.
Moni
2010/7/2 Don Arburn <[email protected]>
They are not due back until Monday. Town is within walking distance, although
the canyon is probably impassable. Their camp is in a good place. I wouldn't
worry just yet...
On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
All the Monterrey TEC folks are up to speed on this, and Nico also knows about
the LdeS situation (though he is probably as immobilized as everyone in the
region by now.)
Steve Yoachum just wrote me that "Up to 30 inches of rain has now been reported
to have fallen in the Monterrey area. Wow."
That is up significantly from yesterday some time, when Erick told me that they
had 300 mm.
Roger Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Rutherford <[email protected]>
To: Cavers, Texas <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
Has anyone heard from the Monterrey cavers that were supposed to join them this
weekend? I think Elizabeth and Daniel were going.
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
It would appear certain that our friends involved in the trip down there are in
a situation where they are probably stuck due to road problems caused by the
recent weather event.
Would it do them any good to notify Civil Protection authorities? And how
would that be done?
-WaV
--
Ron Rutherford
--
LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez
San Antonio, Texas
[email protected]
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Yes, and the rain has stopped in Monterrey according to Nancy a few minutes
ago. How are you doing, Nico?
Roger
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From: Nico Escamilla <[email protected]>
To: Espeleo Coahuila <[email protected]>
Cc: Don Arburn <[email protected]>; TSA Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Laguna De Sanchez
No road to Laguna de Sanchez to speak of, just saw the news Monterrey topped at
over
800 mm of rain, Im sure it was worse in the mountains south of the city, the
canyon that leads to Laguna is flooded I dont think the Tec cavers will be able
to get there (unless one of them owns an ultralight airplane or powered
paraglider) its useless to try and get there no matter how badass a truck
you're driving. Again they should be ok and we should not panic, worse that can
happen is that they'll spend a few wet and miserable nights.
Nico
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No caves on Tierra Nueva or Santa Maria.
Yesterday we had a lot of rain in San Luis Potosi but todayis quite calm.Of
course, havy rain on Sierra de Alvarez
Have a nice day
Miguel(one of the organizers on that mexpeleo)In san Luis Potosi
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:13:08 -0500
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Tropical Depression Alex
>
> The news stopped covering the storm, but there is still lots of
> heavy rain falling onto the karst of the Sierra Madres.
>
> The area around the town of Rio Verde in San Luis Potosi, got the
> brunt of the storm today. Valley of the Ghost had heavy rain most
> of the day. That is where one of the Mexpeleo's was held. There
> are lots of pits around there ( Sierra de Alvarez )
>
> South of the city of San Luis Potosi had heavy rain all day, but I don't
> know what caves are around there. Does the town of Tierra Nueva mean
> anything ? or Santa Maria del Rio ?
>
> Also, the karst area around Zaragoza, Nuevo Leon had heavy rain,
> along with nearby Arramberri.
>
> On a related note,
>
> I thought the Houston weather was kind of weird yesterday compared
> to a normal last day of June. The wind was stronger than normal and
> blowing in a direction that it didn't seem to normally blow. The humidity
> seemed to be even more miserable than normal. But the temperature
> seemed to be a few degrees cooler than normal. We had a heavy
> shower this morning as I predicted, and the rest of the day we had
> solid drizzle and an occasional downpour, but
> nothing to get excited over. I think my yard needed it.
>
> The center of the depression is still in S.L.P. One forecast shows it
> heading for Chihuahua. If that happens, then we will be getting
> more rain from this storm.
>
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