texascavers Digest 22 Jul 2010 21:01:24 -0000 Issue 1109
Topics (messages 15515 through 15530):
Re: Tropical Storm Bonnie
15515 by: Sheryl Rieck
15519 by: Fritz Holt
first cave trip
15516 by: David McClung
15517 by: Fritz Holt
15518 by: ryan monjaras
15520 by: Gary McDaniel
15521 by: Fritz Holt
15522 by: Stefan Creaser
15526 by: Leslie Bell
15530 by: John Brooks
Re: Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...
15523 by: Josh Rubinstein
15524 by: russ johnson
Monkeys, Wes
15525 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
a good first cave
15527 by: David
15529 by: Stefan Creaser
Re: Wes Skiles
15528 by: Dave H. Crusoe
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Well, David, I hate to burst your bubble, but the storm is so far
away, no one knows where it is going. Predicting hurricane tracks is like
predicting weather in TX. You can make a guess, but you will be wrong. If
you are right, it is an anomaly and the weather will change so you are wrong
anyway. I'll worry when it is closer and believe the models when it is
imminent.
Sheryl
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From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:55 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie
The tropical depression that is currently north of eastern Cuba
is forecasted to become Tropical Storm Bonnie tonight.
It is headed for the Beaumont area just like Hurricane Rita,
to make landfall on Monday night, and be in Texarkana,
by Tuesday.
This could effect cavers heading on a road-trips, maybe
even towards Arkansas, as it could dump a lot of rain.
I can't leave before the storm passes, or changes course and heads
further south for Port Aransas ( just kidding Sheryl ).
If the storm moves up the coast along the route that cavers are
driving to the convention, that could make for a 2,000 mile wet
journey.
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Sheryl,
How could you doubt David's prediction?
Fritz
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From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:19 PM
To: 'TexasCavers'
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie
Well, David, I hate to burst your bubble, but the storm is so far
away, no one knows where it is going. Predicting hurricane tracks is like
predicting weather in TX. You can make a guess, but you will be wrong. If
you are right, it is an anomaly and the weather will change so you are wrong
anyway. I'll worry when it is closer and believe the models when it is
imminent.
Sheryl
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From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:55 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie
The tropical depression that is currently north of eastern Cuba
is forecasted to become Tropical Storm Bonnie tonight.
It is headed for the Beaumont area just like Hurricane Rita,
to make landfall on Monday night, and be in Texarkana,
by Tuesday.
This could effect cavers heading on a road-trips, maybe
even towards Arkansas, as it could dump a lot of rain.
I can't leave before the storm passes, or changes course and heads
further south for Port Aransas ( just kidding Sheryl ).
If the storm moves up the coast along the route that cavers are
driving to the convention, that could make for a 2,000 mile wet
journey.
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i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
chow, dave mc
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Dave,
I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year
old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes?
Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with
no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is
the better and easier of the two.
Fritz
________________________________
From: David McClung [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
chow, dave mc
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take her to cave day, http://texascaves.org/cave_day.html
"Semper Exploro" Ryan MonjarasMaverick GrottoCowtown GrottoDFW
Grotto(832)754-5778
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:37:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Dave,
I only know of four Austin area caves and
two are not suitable for a one year old. Just to say she has been in one, take
her to Avery Ranch Cave
or Dyes? Ranch Treasure Cave.
Both are in Cedar
Park and only about 100
feet long with no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential
neighborhoods Avery is the better and easier of the two.
Fritz
From: David McClung [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010
12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave
trip
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need
to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a
good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe
not.
chow, dave mc
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Golandrinas!
Sent from my iPhone.
On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Fritz Holt <[email protected]>
wrote:
Dave,
I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a
one year old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery
Ranch Cave or Dyes? Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and
only about 100 feet long with no hiking as they are both in the
middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is the better and easier
of the two.
Fritz
From: David McClung [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the
first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave
to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
chow, dave mc
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Makes sense to me. I'm sure a few have been thrown in before.
________________________________
From: Gary McDaniel [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:52 PM
Cc: David McClung; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Golandrinas!
Sent from my iPhone.
On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Fritz Holt
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dave,
I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year
old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes?
Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with
no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is
the better and easier of the two.
Fritz
________________________________
From: David McClung
[mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
chow, dave mc
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Surely you'll want her to remember her first caving trip? If so you're
gonna have to wait until she's about 3.
Stefan
From: David McClung [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first
time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I
will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
chow, dave mc
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Avery Ranch and Dies Ranch Treasure Cave are both open to the public on Cave
Day in Cedar Park, which occurs twice a year.
Both would be good for the mini caver, but Avery does have more formations to
be sure.
Leslie Bell
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Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
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Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 12:49 PM
take her to cave day, http://texascaves.org/cave_day.html
"Semper Exploro" Ryan Monjaras
Maverick Grotto
Cowtown Grotto
DFW Grotto
(832)754-5778
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Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
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Dave,
I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year
old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes?
Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with
no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is
the better and easier of the two.
Fritz
From: David McClung [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
chow, dave mc
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I would highly reccommend Sotano de los Golindrinos for infants. Anything less
would just be bad parenting. And just imagine the lifetime of bragging rights:
"my dad took me to and DOWN Golindrinos when I was 16 months old....."
It would be easy to rig some type of suspension harness to suspend her below
you for the rappel down and climb back up.
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On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:32 PM, David McClung <[email protected]> wrote:
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
chow, dave mc
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Me. I want my tail back. I could use another point of contact.
Josh
Repeal Evolution.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Bill Bentley <[email protected]> wrote:
> Or some of my cousins! LOL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Heather Tucek <[email protected]>
> *To:* Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* David <[email protected]> ; [email protected]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:09 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...
>
> Tailless monkeys are called "apes".
>
>
> On 22 July 2010 07:36, Gill Edigar <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And what makes anybody think this beast came
>> from Africa? Did it have a tail? Old World monkey are tailless; New
>> World monkeys have tails. Are they even related to each other?
>> --Ediger
>>
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> >Me. I want my tail back. I could use another point of contact.
>
Maybe then Laddie, you could cast your lot in with the Caver Primates of the
Caribbean, ARrrrggg...
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I'm no expert on any of this, but is not all or part of Hispanola a well
traveled craton? There are other otherwise ancient inexplicable critters
there too like the solenodon. Old world monkeys have tails too, but
diverged
from new world monkeys a very long time ago. Most people think Primates
are a
recent group but that is just not the case. If I am not mistaken they
have
been around since before the dinosaurs looked up to see the comet. No
time
to fact check any of this.
Here in Hogtown we are crushed. Wes was the best, larger than life, a
motorcycle riding, beer drinking, bad joke telling, world traveling, deep
diving
superhero. This right after his best bud Pete Butt got gobbled by a gator.
He will be sorely missed!
Sleaze
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As far as commercial caves go, I like to recommend
Alabaster Cavern's in Oklahoma.
This is a good first cave for anybody that already has an interest
in caves, because it has a different speleogenesis than
most commercial caves.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9232573@N02/2563288068/in/set-72157605507013982/
According the the authority of Wikipedia, it is the largest natural
gypsum cave in the world that is open to the public.
( as opposed to the largest un-natural gypsum cave ?? )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabaster_Caverns_State_Park
I wish it were not such a long drive. I want to take my daughter
there.
David Locklear
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David,
> This is a good first cave for anybody that already has an interest
> in caves, because it has a different speleogenesis than
> most commercial caves.
This might preclude Dave from taking his daughter there; I somehow
suspect that a 5 month old does not already have an interest in caves,
she probably has no idea they exist! ;-)
Cheers,
Stefan
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The National Geographic tribute:
http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2010/07/national-geographic-photographer-wes-skiles-dies.html
On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Josh Rubinstein wrote:
Here is some more information.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/national-geographic-freelance-photographer-drowns-off-boynton-beach-817521.html
Josh
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Frank Binney
<[email protected]> wrote:
Very sad news indeed. I was just looking at Wes' beautiful
photography of
the Bahama blue holes in the new Nat Geo issue yesterday.
I served with Wes on a past NSS video salon jury and have a
collection of
his programs--the best underwater cave imagery I've ever seen.
I'll be looking at his videos tonight and thinking about what an
incredible
contribution he made in his life.
Frank
On 7/22/10 6:03 AM, "Fofo Gonzalez" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Wes Skiles, famous cave diver and explorer, died yesterday during a
> National Geographic work dive off West Palm Beach.
>
> I don't have more information now, but this is sad news.
>
> - Fofo
>
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