texascavers Digest 18 Apr 2010 07:17:15 -0000 Issue 1031

Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:17:24 -0700 (PDT) 

texascavers Digest 18 Apr 2010 07:17:15 -0000 Issue 1031

Topics (messages 14485 through 14504):

cave scientist in the news
        14485 by: David
        14486 by: Chris Vreeland
        14491 by: Barb Coons (Capocy)

Amistad Cave Project weekend in June :
        14487 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com

Second annual Floyd Collins Festival in Bowling Green :
        14488 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com
        14489 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

Texas River Flow Rates
        14490 by: Robert B

Pulley on sale again
        14492 by: Geary Schindel

things to do south of Houston
        14493 by: David
        14494 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

oops
        14495 by: David
        14496 by: wa5pok.peoplepc.com

Beyond the Deep
        14497 by: Don Arburn
        14498 by: George Veni
        14501 by: Mixon Bill

Re: Pulley on sale again -- sold out online
        14499 by: Rod Goke
        14500 by: Geary Schindel

Robber Baron Thank You
        14502 by: Joe & Evelynn Mitchell
        14503 by: caverarch.aol.com

stalagtite ?
        14504 by: David

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http://kykernel.com/2010/04/15/professor-goes-from-caves-to-classroom/

You have to be careful what you say when you do interviews with
newspapers.   ( Fortunately,
I learned that lesson when I was young. )

In this case she claimed:

“As far as I know, I am the only woman doing exploration and science
in underwater caves,” she said.
“There are some other women who cave dive, but they do it for
exploration only and for a short time only.”

If that is not true, I am sure it was taken out of context, or the
reporter sensationalized it to get
a good story.

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"As far as she knows" -- she just doesn't know very far. :-)


On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:56 PM, David wrote:


http://kykernel.com/2010/04/15/professor-goes-from-caves-to-classroom/

You have to be careful what you say when you do interviews with
newspapers.   ( Fortunately,
I learned that lesson when I was young. )

In this case she claimed:

“As far as I know, I am the only woman doing exploration and science
in underwater caves,” she said.
“There are some other women who cave dive, but they do it for
exploration only and for a short time only.”

If that is not true, I am sure it was taken out of context, or the
reporter sensationalized it to get
a good story.

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Ha!  Yeah, I learned that lesson a long time ago too.  
Wow, that is one of the silliest things I've read in print about cavers in 
awhile.  If she really did say it, perhaps it is an opening for her, as a 
teacher, to become better educated.

B

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From: David <[email protected]>
To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] cave scientist in the news
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:56:18 -0500

http://kykernel.com/2010/04/15/professor-goes-from-caves-to-classroom/

You have to be careful what you say when you do interviews with
newspapers.   ( Fortunately,
I learned that lesson when I was young. )

In this case she claimed:

“As far as I know, I am the only woman doing exploration and science
in underwater caves,” she said.
“There are some other women who cave dive, but they do it for
exploration only and for a short time only.”

If that is not true, I am sure it was taken out of context, or the
reporter sensationalized it to get
a good story.

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There will be a scheduled  project trip to Amistad National Recreation Area 
near Del Rio, Texas on the  weekend of June 19-20, 2010.  I have slots for 
about 15 people so this  will be a first come-first serve opportunity for 
folks. 
The goals for the trip will  be to: 
1.)  Relocate caves and  karst features that were noted by the 
International Boundary Water Commission  back in the early 1960s.  We have 
rough 
locations and descriptions but no  one has relocated and surveyed these 
features 
since then. 
2.)  Explore and survey  the caves and karst features that have been 
relocated. 
3.)  Ridgewalk areas  that have no known caves. 
Camping will be  provided by the NPS at the group camping site.  For those 
that  want a warm bed and sit-down meal, Del Rio is only about 15 minutes  
away. 
Some of the caves may be  vertical and/or require digging to open.  The 
flora in the area can only be  described as vicious so bring tweezers and long 
pants.  Heavy hiking boots  are a must if you don't want the cactus and 
lechuguilla to cripple you.   The  weather at that time of the year will be 
warm 
and probably dry, so  plan accordingly.  If you have any questions, please 
contact me off  digest. 
I hope to see you all out  there.  There's plenty of caves and karst for 
everyone  ! 
Jerry  Atkinson.

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Cave museum to host Collins  celebration
By NATALIE JORDAN, The Daily News
Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:01 AM  CDT 
 
In 1925 people across the nation, especially in cave country, listened  
intently to their radios, awaiting the fate of Floyd Collins, who found himself 
 trapped after trying to find a new entrance into the system of underground 
caves  that were popular tourist attractions.

Known as one of the most famous  cave explorers of his time, The American 
Cave Museum is set to host the second  Floyd Collins Fest, a celebration of 
the life and times of Collins.

“He  was the operator of Crystal Cave, which he discovered in 1917 and is 
now part of  Mammoth Cave National Park, and was looking for a new route to 
get inside  Crystal Cave to get an edge on his competitors,” said David 
Foster, an organizer  of the event. “He found a hole in Sand Cave. However, he 
got trapped on the way  back out. A rock fell and wedged his foot in a tight 
crevice and he was not able  to get out. And while this huge rescue effort 
was taking place above ground, he  died.”

Sponsored by the Hart County Chamber of Commerce, the Horse Cave  Rotary 
Club and the Kentucky Arts Council, the three-day festival will be  buzzing 
with activity from presentations to tours.

“The Floyd Collins  rescue was one of the biggest human interest media 
events. It was the first time  radio broadcasters could report from remote 
locations, and people were listening  to their radios for two weeks to find out 
what happened,” Foster said. “The  whole ordeal attracted several hundred 
people, inspired a book, a movie and a  hit song, ‘The Death of Floyd Collins,’
 sung by country singer Vernon  Dollheart.”

The festival kicks off Friday with a reception at 5 p.m. at  the American 
Cave Museum, which is followed by a presentation from author Roger  Brucker, 
who wrote “Trapped!” and “The Longest Cave.”

The festival will  resume Saturday with registration beginning at 8 a.m. 
>From 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.,  those in attendance will be surrounded with a 
flurry of activity, such as  viewing the exhibit of Floyd Collins Memorabilia 
to 
tours of Collins’ home in  Sand Cave and his grave site.

Those in attendance will also be able to  participate in a question and 
answer session with the Collins family, historian  Stan Sides and Dr. William 
Halliday, author of “Depths of the Earth.” In  addition to the question and 
answer session, attendees will be able to watch a  Floyd Collins documentary 
and rare film clips from the Collins era as well as  listen to live music 
from that era during an old-time radio show at 7 p.m. at  the Kentucky 
Repertory Theatre.

Musical acts will include Foster, The  Hart County Choral Society, Lock and 
Key Barbershop Quartet, Dale Jett and Hello  Stranger, Hazel Johnson, Colin 
Grant-Adams and Harry Bickle.

There will  also be a tour of Hidden River Cave.

On Sunday, field trips start. They  are on a first-come, first-served 
basis, with a maximum of 25 per trip. There  will be three field trips, with 
the 
first field trip touring Crystal Cave, the  second trip visiting Diamond 
Caverns and Bells Tavern and the third field trip  touring Kentucky Caverns and 
the Marshall Collins Cave.

Tickets for the  three-day festival are $25, which includes the radio show. 
Tickets for only the  radio show at KRT are $10, and $10 for the Sunday 
tours.

“Many older  people still remember this,” Foster said.

Foster said when Collins was  later excavated from the cave, he lay in a 
glass coffin, and people would pay  money to see the cave and him on the way 
into the cave. About 15 years ago,  relatives of Collins petitioned the park 
to have him buried properly.

In  addition to the ordeal being one of the biggest movements in media, it 
also  helped to galvanize Mammoth Cave National Park, he said.

“This brought  media attention to the whole cave region,” Foster said. “It 
was a time when new  technology brought news to the masses that they may 
not have gotten  before.”

— For more information and/or tickets, call 270-786-1466. 
_http://bgdailynews.com/articles/2010/04/15/features/features6.txt_ 
(http://bgdailynews.com/articles/2010/04/15/features/features6.txt)

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Dollheart? That's Dalhart....
 
T


Apr 15, 2010 11:43:36 PM, [email protected] wrote:

Cave museum to host Collins celebration

By NATALIE JORDAN, The Daily News
Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:01 AM CDT

In 1925 people across the nation, especially in cave country, listened intently to their radios, awaiting the fate of Floyd Collins, who found himself trapped after trying to find a new entrance into the system of underground caves that were popular tourist attractions.

Known as one of the most famous cave explorers of his time, The American Cave Museum is set to host the second Floyd Collins Fest, a celebration of the life and times of Collins.

“He was the operator of Crystal Cave, which he discovered in 1917 and is now part of Mammoth Cave National Park, and was looking for a new route to get inside Crystal Cave to get an edge on his competitors,” said David Foster, an organizer of the event. “He found a hole in Sand Cave. However, he got trapped on the way back out. A rock fell and wedged his foot in a tight crevice and he was not able to get out. And while this huge rescue effort was taking place above ground, he died.”

Sponsored by the Hart County Chamber of Commerce, the Horse Cave Rotary Club and the Kentucky Arts Council, the three-day festival will be buzzing with activity from presentations to tours.

“The Floyd Collins rescue was one of the biggest human interest media events. It was the first time radio broadcasters could report from remote locations, and people were listening to their radios for two weeks to find out what happened,” Foster said. “The whole ordeal attracted several hundred people, inspired a book, a movie and a hit song, ‘The Death of Floyd Collins,’ sung by country singer Vernon Dollheart.”

The festival kicks off Friday with a reception at 5 p.m. at the American Cave Museum, which is followed by a presentation from author Roger Brucker, who wrote “Trapped!” and “The Longest Cave.”

The festival will resume Saturday with registration beginning at 8 a.m. From 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., those in attendance will be surrounded with a flurry of activity, such as viewing the exhibit of Floyd Collins Memorabilia to tours of Collins’ home in Sand Cave and his grave site.

Those in attendance will also be able to participate in a question and answer session with the Collins family, historian Stan Sides and Dr. William Halliday, author of “Depths of the Earth.” In addition to the question and answer session, attendees will be able to watch a Floyd Collins documentary and rare film clips from the Collins era as well as listen to live music from that era during an old-time radio show at 7 p.m. at the Kentucky Repertory Theatre.

Musical acts will include Foster, The Hart County Choral Society, Lock and Key Barbershop Quartet, Dale Jett and Hello Stranger, Hazel Johnson, Colin Grant-Adams and Harry Bickle.

There will also be a tour of Hidden River Cave.

On Sunday, field trips start. They are on a first-come, first-served basis, with a maximum of 25 per trip. There will be three field trips, with the first field trip touring Crystal Cave, the second trip visiting Diamond Caverns and Bells Tavern and the third field trip touring Kentucky Caverns and the Marshall Collins Cave.

Tickets for the three-day festival are $25, which includes the radio show. Tickets for only the radio show at KRT are $10, and $10 for the Sunday tours.

“Many older people still remember this,” Foster said.

Foster said when Collins was later excavated from the cave, he lay in a glass coffin, and people would pay money to see the cave and him on the way into the cave. About 15 years ago, relatives of Collins petitioned the park to have him buried properly.

In addition to the ordeal being one of the biggest movements in media, it also helped to galvanize Mammoth Cave National Park, he said.

“This brought media attention to the whole cave region,” Foster said. “It was a time when new technology brought news to the masses that they may not have gotten before.”

— For more information and/or tickets, call 270-786-1466.

http://bgdailynews.com/articles/2010/04/15/features/features6.txt


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For those that are interested

Some recent info regarding Texas River Flow Rates.

Notice the high water flow on the upper Guadalupe 30,000 cfs and 20,000 on
the Medina. Wish we could of had some of that water last summer

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/tx/nwis/current/?type=flow

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Folks,

REI has their Petzl mini pulley on sale again from $38.00 to $24.93.  This is a 
prusik minding pulley.  Some places sell it for as much as $58.00

http://www.rei.com/product/635121


G

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I found a spot that would be fun for the cavers in Houston to have a
overnight group campout.

The location is on Chocalate Bayou about 5 minutes south of the town
of Alvin.    It is called Camp Mohawk.    It looks
like it used to be a scout camp.    But the county there is now
operating it as a public campground.   The main
activity there is canoeing.    I don't know if the canoeing is any
good there.     The campspot is suitable for a large group
event.    There are even air-conditioned rooms like a small dorm.
There is a small walking trail, and a little bit of bicycling.

I don't know what the cost is, but it looks readily available.     The
playground for kids is one of the best I have seen
in the Houston area, and I plan to take my daughter there in the next few days.

Another location which is better suited for a picnic and a swim is
called Twin Lakes near Manvel.    This is where local
divers go to practice.     The water is up at the moment.
Unfortunately, they charge $ 10 a person.     I also hope to
go swimming there in the next month or so.

Cheers,

David
281-960-0687

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Watch out for alumnigators.
 
T


Apr 16, 2010 01:07:13 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I found a spot that would be fun for the cavers in Houston to have a
overnight group campout.

The location is on Chocalate Bayou about 5 minutes south of the town
of Alvin. It is called Camp Mohawk. It looks
like it used to be a scout camp. But the county there is now
operating it as a public campground. The main
activity there is canoeing. I don't know if the canoeing is any
good there. The campspot is suitable for a large group
event. There are even air-conditioned rooms like a small dorm.
There is a small walking trail, and a little bit of bicycling.

I don't know what the cost is, but it looks readily available. The
playground for kids is one of the best I have seen
in the Houston area, and I plan to take my daughter there in the next few days.

Another location which is better suited for a picnic and a swim is
called Twin Lakes near Manvel. This is where local
divers go to practice. The water is up at the moment.
Unfortunately, they charge $ 10 a person. I also hope to
go swimming there in the next month or so.

Cheers,

David
281-960-0687

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I apologize.   That last post wasn't intended for Cavetex.

Please delete.

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Don't apologize, when the caves are filling with water, an alternative 
activity is always welcome ... Thanks for the idea

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Anyone have a copy I can buy?


Don's iPhone.

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Speleobooks has it on sale for $15.

http://www.speleobooks.com/catindex.html 

Click on "Cave Diving" under their book list.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Arburn [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:46 PM
To: Texas Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] Beyond the Deep

Anyone have a copy I can buy?


Don's iPhone.

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--- Begin Message --- I sent a personal reply to Don, but I see somebody else has broadcast one source of BTD. The AMCS has it for $12 plus $3 shipping. Ordering info is at http://www.amcs-pubs.org/finance/order.html. -- Bill Mixon, AMCS sales 
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When I checked the link below at 4:00 PM today, it said:

   "This item is currently sold out or unavailable online."


-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel
Sent: Apr 16, 2010 10:35 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Pulley on sale again

Folks,

 

REI has their Petzl mini pulley on sale again from $38.00 to $24.93.  This is a prusik minding pulley.  Some places sell it for as much as $58.00

 

http://www.rei.com/product/635121

 

 

G

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Strange,

I ordered two of them about two weeks ago and just received them.  They were 
available on line this morning but now they’ve stopped selling them.  If you 
want some, I would recommend that you check the sight every couple of days and 
see if it pops back up.

G

From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 4:05 PM
To: Geary Schindel; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Pulley on sale again -- sold out online

When I checked the link below at 4:00 PM today, it said:

   "This item is currently sold out or unavailable online."


-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel
Sent: Apr 16, 2010 10:35 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Pulley on sale again


Folks,

REI has their Petzl mini pulley on sale again from $38.00 to $24.93.  This is a 
prusik minding pulley.  Some places sell it for as much as $58.00

http://www.rei.com/product/635121


G

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Here is hopefully a complete list of everyone who came to help. Let me know if I forgot anyone. 

Mark Childre
Charles Nystrom
Alan Montemayor
Jon Montemayor
Garry White
Tom Florer
Randy Baker
Jill Orr
Shayne Hawkins
Mike Harris
Sam Viera
Joe Schaertl
Steve Gutting
Don Arburn
Yvonne Vargas
Marvin Miller
Lisa Miller
Christin Miller
Lea Miller
Tommy Joe
Monica Ponce
Tom Brown
Arron Wertheim
Chris Franke
Leslie Bell
Wayne Hutchinson
Bryan Scott
Katie Scott
Geary Schindel
Lyndon Tiu
Nicholas Previc
Jenne Akers
David Daniel
Alex Dunaway
Journey Bisset
Rob Bisset
Chris Riggio
Jean Bodeau
Zach Schudrowitz
Chris Vreeland
Jacob Vreeland
Sheena McCrary
Ellie Thoene
Josh Rubinstein
Kevin McGowan
Evelynn Mitchell
Kayla Mitchell

Thanks again!
Joe Mitchell

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Thee cheers for everybody listed!





-----Original Message-----
From: Joe & Evelynn Mitchell <[email protected]>
To: Texas Cavers <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 8:29 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Thank You


I wanted to extend a huge thank you to all the volunteers that came and made 
last Saturday's Robber Baron open house a success. 153 people got to tour the 
cave (plus many of the volunteers) and over $800 was raised for TCMA! All the 
people who got to go through the cave seemed to greatly enjoy themselves and 
complimented the volunteers on their friendliness and helpfulness. I think we 
got several people interested enough in caves to want to join the grotto. 
 
Here is hopefully a complete list of everyone who came to help. Let me know if 
I forgot anyone. 
 
Mark Childre 
Charles Nystrom 
Alan Montemayor 
Jon Montemayor 
Garry White 
Tom Florer 
Randy Baker 
Jill Orr 
Shayne Hawkins 
Mike Harris 
Sam Viera 
Joe Schaertl 
Steve Gutting 
Don Arburn 
Yvonne Vargas 
Marvin Miller 
Lisa Miller 
Christin Miller 
Lea Miller 
Tommy Joe 
Monica Ponce 
Tom Brown 
Arron Wertheim 
Chris Franke 
Leslie Bell 
Wayne Hutchinson 
Bryan Scott 
Katie Scott 
Geary Schindel 
Lyndon Tiu 
Nicholas Previc 
Jenne Akers 
David Daniel 
Alex Dunaway 
Journey Bisset 
Rob Bisset 
Chris Riggio 
Jean Bodeau 
Zach Schudrowitz 
Chris Vreeland 
Jacob Vreeland 
Sheena McCrary 
Ellie Thoene 
Josh Rubinstein 
Kevin McGowan 
Evelynn Mitchell 
Kayla Mitchell 
 
Thanks again! 
Joe Mitchell 
 
 
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I have noticed recently that lots of web-sites are using the term

"stalagtite."

Is that the correct spelling in some countries?

http://www.earlham.edu/~scottna/graphics/Stalagtite.jpg

Just do a web search, and you will see tons of sites.

For example:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Land-of-the-Lost/59660833853?ref=ts&v=wall#!/group.php?gid=304742108390&ref=search&sid=1818118612.1049025379..1

I have also noticed that all over the web, and especially on Facebook,
that people's
spelling is really embarrassing.    These aren't typos or grammar
mistakes, but things
like titles of articles with words clearly misspelled.     My theory
is that more and
more morons are writing things because of the internet, so it makes it
look like
young people today are more stupid than earlier generations.    You
would think that
with spell-checker features on writing programs that people would catch these
mistakes.

I wish the correct spelling were "stalagtite."    That would be logical.

Here is an upside down "stalagtite."

http://www.grossmont.edu/garyjacobson/Geology%20220/images/Stalagtite.jpg

( note that it is on a geological page of an educational web-site )

And there are tons more.


David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County

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