texascavers Digest 20 Apr 2010 02:27:39 -0000 Issue 1032
Topics (messages 14505 through 14520):
Re: stalagtite ?
14505 by: George Veni
14508 by: Mark Minton
14509 by: George Veni
Caving in Siberia:
14506 by: Mike Flannigan
History repeats itself tonight
14507 by: Carl Kunath
spelunker again
14510 by: David
No tourism planned for Vietnam's largest cave- Son Doong :
14511 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com
Re: Help! Need Cavers with gear and gusto and weekdays and/or weekends in May!
14512 by: Gill Edigar
14513 by: Espeleo Coahuila
WINS in Missouri
14514 by: Pete Lindsley
Re: [NMCAVER] WINS in Missouri
14515 by: Lee H. Skinner
14516 by: kholladay.valornet.com
14517 by: Charles Goldsmith
14518 by: Lee H. Skinner
14520 by: SS
Re: [NMCAVER] Bob Trout
14519 by: Bill Bentley
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From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:17 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] stalagtite ?
I have noticed recently that lots of web-sites are using the term
"stalagtite." ...
I wish the correct spelling were "stalagtite." That would be logical.
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David,
The spelling of stalactite and stalagmite is in fact very logical. The fact
that it isn't apparent to many is the price paid when we adopt words from
other languages, in this case, Greek. In Greek, the prefix "stalac" mean
"dripping" or "to drip," which is how stalactites forms, by dripping. The
prefix "stalag" means "dripped" or 'dripped on," which is how stalagmites
form, by being dripped on.
George
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George,
Thanks for that explanation. So why is one -tite and the
other -mite? Does the suffix have to correspond somehow to the
ending of the prefix?
Mark Minton
At 11:38 AM 4/18/2010, George Veni wrote:
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From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:17 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] stalagtite ?
I have noticed recently that lots of web-sites are using the term
"stalagtite." ...
I wish the correct spelling were "stalagtite." That would be logical.
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David,
The spelling of stalactite and stalagmite is in fact very logical. The fact
that it isn't apparent to many is the price paid when we adopt words from
other languages, in this case, Greek. In Greek, the prefix "stalac" mean
"dripping" or "to drip," which is how stalactites forms, by dripping. The
prefix "stalag" means "dripped" or 'dripped on," which is how stalagmites
form, by being dripped on.
George
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Yes. I forgot to point that out.
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From: Mark Minton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: stalagtite ?
George,
Thanks for that explanation. So why is one -tite and the
other -mite? Does the suffix have to correspond somehow to the
ending of the prefix?
Mark Minton
At 11:38 AM 4/18/2010, George Veni wrote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:17 AM
>To: Cavers Texas
>Subject: [Texascavers] stalagtite ?
>
>I have noticed recently that lots of web-sites are using the term
>
>"stalagtite." ...
>
>I wish the correct spelling were "stalagtite." That would be logical.
>
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>
>David,
>
>The spelling of stalactite and stalagmite is in fact very logical. The fact
>that it isn't apparent to many is the price paid when we adopt words from
>other languages, in this case, Greek. In Greek, the prefix "stalac" mean
>"dripping" or "to drip," which is how stalactites forms, by dripping. The
>prefix "stalag" means "dripped" or 'dripped on," which is how stalagmites
>form, by being dripped on.
>
>George
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Caving in Siberia:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/100325_hominin
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At 7 p.m. tonight (Texas time) on the Weather channel, the program is said to
be a reenactment of the incident where Barry Beck and others were trapped in a
cave by rising water.
===Carl Kunath
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The writer of the article below has a new twist on the term "spelunker."
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/710486-196/wns-depresses-cavers-leaves-others-puzzled.html?i=1
Note, he claims it is the "technical term," for caving.
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Tourism a no-no for world’s biggest cave
Last updated: 4/18/2010 9:25
Both the cave and the jungle that surrounds it would be endangered by
tourists, says a geomorphologist
Son Doong cavern is at the core of the natural sanctuary of Phong Nha-Ke
Bang
While the discovery of the world’s largest cave to date has spelunkers and
others all excited, at least one expert is saying… no tourists for now,
please.
Nguyen Hieu, deputy director of Faculty of Geography at the Hanoi
University of Science told Thanh Nien Weekly: “The cave is very far out of the
way.
It's totally covered in jungle, and the terrain is very difficult.”
Hieu went on to say that Son Doong was now an “active cave”, so it should
be served for science research only, not for tourism. The movement of
tourists in the grotto would be difficult due to its complicated terrain, and
it may also destroy primary forests.”
Moreover, the Son Doong cave is at the core of the Phong Nha-Ke Bang
National Park, so “it needs to be preserved,” he said.
While converting the area into a mass tourism site is fraught with danger,
the sanctuary itself holds the promise of more cave discoveries, Hieu
said.
Along with Vietnamese explorers, the British Cave Research Association
returned to the world’s biggest cave in the Phong Nha-Ke Bang National Park
and have made new discoveries this year, adding to evidence that the park
deserves to be classified as a World Heritage site for biological diversity,
said Hieu, who was also a member of the cave expedition.
Phong Nha-Ke Bang is already listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site for
its geological and geomorphological values.
When the joint Vietnamese-British team explored the cave last year, they
found that Son Doong, with a length of nearly 6.5 kilometers, height of 200
meters and width of 150 meters, overtakes the Deer Cave in Malaysia as the
world’s largest cave found to date. It also has a large fast-flowing
underground river.
The cave is five times larger than the Phong Nha Cave, previously
considered the biggest in Vietnam. “It is an amazingly huge size, and one of
our
most significant discoveries,” Hieu said.
During the expedition that took over one month after it began in early
March, researchers measured a giant stalagmite in the cave. “We had to use
ropes, and it took us 2 days to prepare and pass over this stalagmite peak to
measure it,” he said.
With a height of 80 meters, it is a huge stalagmite, and has been
nicknamed the “Great Wall of Vietnam” by expedition members.
Scientists also uncovered over 200 species of flora including moss, liana
on cliffs and the floor of the cave, and two primary forests with
camp-woods as tall as 30 meters. “The flora’s development in the special
temperature and humid conditions make the Son Doong cave unique,” Hieu said.
Many animal footmarks, and an animal skeleton were also found in the
cavern. Initial surmises are that it is that of a bear.
The cave explorers also discovered a field of pure stones. Tennis
ball-shaped stones look very beautiful, and like pearls.
“The discovery of caves is of great significance for scientific research,
especially this cave and its flora forming process. Phong Nha-Ke Bang is a
limestone mountainous area, thus the potential for new cave discoveries in
the area is very high.”
However, cave expeditions are not easy to conduct, and needs the
assistance of local people who have a good understanding of the local
topography, he
said.
Son Doong was first found by a local resident, Ho Khanh, in 1991. Khanh
took the team to the cave which had never been entered before by anyone
including local forest dwellers.
Equipped with ropes and headlamps, the team spent hours trekking through
the jungle to reach the cave, climb down into a large chamber, and negotiate
underground rivers before reaching the main passage of the Son Doong
cavern.
_http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20100418134126.aspx_
(http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20100418134126.aspx)
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Linda asked me to post this. It looks like a good project if anybody has the
time and desire to help with it.
--Ediger
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From: Linda Palit <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Subject: FW: Help! Need Cavers with gear and gusto and weekdays and/or
weekends in May!
To: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
Can you forward this to the UT grotto and the website, in case somebody has
time and inclination to help. I think this guy is trying to do some good
work.
Thanks,
Linda
*From:* Scott Kyle [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:51 PM
*To:* Geary Schindel; Joe Mitchell; Allan Cobb; Linda Palit;
[email protected]; [email protected]
*Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
*Subject:* Help! Need Cavers with gear and gusto and weekdays and/or
weekends in May!
Cascade Caverns is ready to get fitted with new 12V DC LED lighting. We've
got the controllers, bulbs, fixtures, wire, fasteners, ladders, cave ...
we're missing you!
We will feed you and be giving freebies and memberships to those who help us
to get to the finish line. We've set up a Doodle Scheduler for those kind
souls to block out days and hours that they can commit to helping us. Please
help us put the word out by sending this email on to folks that you think
may be interested or if you have an email newsletter coming out in April or
on May 1st please include it.
Here's the Sign Up Sheet:
http://www.doodle.com/bah4t9d7r2657sw2
Thanks again all for helping to make this cave into a resource for all.
Best, Scott
Scott Kyle, AIA, LEED
Vice President
(830) 755-8080 office, (804) 402-8985 cell
www.cascadecaverns.com*
See Texas Downunder: RV & Tent Camping and Cave Tours Daily*
226 Cascade Caverns Rd, Boerne, Texas 78015
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I want to help too, I cannot to climbing, but can i do something for help.
Moni
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From: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: 2010/4/19
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: FW: Help! Need Cavers with gear and gusto and
weekdays and/or weekends in May!
To: [email protected]
Linda asked me to post this. It looks like a good project if anybody has the
time and desire to help with it.
--Ediger
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From: Linda Palit <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Subject: FW: Help! Need Cavers with gear and gusto and weekdays and/or
weekends in May!
To: Gill Edigar <[email protected]>
Can you forward this to the UT grotto and the website, in case somebody has
time and inclination to help. I think this guy is trying to do some good
work.
Thanks,
Linda
*From:* Scott Kyle [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:51 PM
*To:* Geary Schindel; Joe Mitchell; Allan Cobb; Linda Palit;
[email protected]; [email protected]
*Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
*Subject:* Help! Need Cavers with gear and gusto and weekdays and/or
weekends in May!
Cascade Caverns is ready to get fitted with new 12V DC LED lighting. We've
got the controllers, bulbs, fixtures, wire, fasteners, ladders, cave ...
we're missing you!
We will feed you and be giving freebies and memberships to those who help us
to get to the finish line. We've set up a Doodle Scheduler for those kind
souls to block out days and hours that they can commit to helping us. Please
help us put the word out by sending this email on to folks that you think
may be interested or if you have an email newsletter coming out in April or
on May 1st please include it.
Here's the Sign Up Sheet:
http://www.doodle.com/bah4t9d7r2657sw2
Thanks again all for helping to make this cave into a resource for all.
Best, Scott
Scott Kyle, AIA, LEED
Vice President
(830) 755-8080 office, (804) 402-8985 cell
www.cascadecaverns.com*
See Texas Downunder: RV & Tent Camping and Cave Tours Daily*
226 Cascade Caverns Rd, Boerne, Texas 78015
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LCC. MÓNICA G. PONCE GLZ.
Fundadora de la Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Coahuila,
Mex.)
Organizadora del Congreso Internacional EspeleoCoahuila (Mexico)
Socia del Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Chiapas)
Socia de la Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (México)
Colaboradora de The Asociation For Mexican Cave Studies (EU)
Colaboradora de la Associatione Esplorazioni Geografiche La Venta (Italia)
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From the MO cave list:
http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/caves/
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On 4/19/2010 12:23 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote:
From the MO cave list:
http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/caves/
And it's now in the Great Smoky Mountains too:
http://is.gd/bzFbe
Lee Skinner
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Lee, I noticed you're a subscriber to NM caver list. How can I get on this
mailing list? I've tried just using the nmcaver@caver net and asking to be put
on the list, but it doesn't seem to work. If you can give me suggestions, I'd
appreciate it.
--
Kelly Holladay
---- "Lee H. Skinner" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/19/2010 12:23 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote:
> > From the MO cave list:
> >
> > http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/caves/
> >
> And it's now in the Great Smoky Mountains too:
>
> http://is.gd/bzFbe
>
> Lee Skinner
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Kelly, here you go: http://mail.caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 3:11 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lee, I noticed you're a subscriber to NM caver list. How can I get on this
> mailing list? I've tried just using the nmcaver@caver net and asking to be
> put on the list, but it doesn't seem to work. If you can give me
> suggestions, I'd appreciate it.
> --
> Kelly Holladay
>
> ---- "Lee H. Skinner" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/19/2010 12:23 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote:
>> > From the MO cave list:
>> >
>> > http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/caves/
>> >
>> And it's now in the Great Smoky Mountains too:
>>
>> http://is.gd/bzFbe
>>
>> Lee Skinner
>>
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Kelly Holiday said:
Lee, I noticed you're a subscriber to NM caver list. How can I get on this
mailing list? I've tried just using the nmcaver@caver net and asking to be put
on the list, but it doesn't seem to work. If you can give me suggestions, I'd
appreciate it.
--
Kelly Holladay
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Kelly,
Go to:
http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Instructions on subscribing to the list are there.
Lee Skinner
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Information coming from a source ending with .GOV.....Be afraid Be VERY
afraid!
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From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 3:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Lee H. Skinner; Pete Lindsley; New Mexico Caver Mailing List; Texas
Cavers List
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: [NMCAVER] WINS in Missouri
Kelly, here you go:
http://mail.caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 3:11 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lee, I noticed you're a subscriber to NM caver list. How can I get on
this mailing list? I've tried just using the nmcaver@caver net and asking
to be put on the list, but it doesn't seem to work. If you can give me
suggestions, I'd appreciate it.
> --
> Kelly Holladay
>
> ---- "Lee H. Skinner" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/19/2010 12:23 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote:
>> > From the MO cave list:
>> >
>> > http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/caves/
>> >
>> And it's now in the Great Smoky Mountains too:
>>
>> http://is.gd/bzFbe
>>
>> Lee Skinner
>>
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From: "Steve Peerman" <[email protected]>
To: "nmcaver" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: [NMCAVER] Bob Trout
Hi all,
I received news that Jerry Trout's brother, Bob, passed away on
Saturday. Some old-timers might remember Bob as being active in the
region in the '60s. Our condolences to the Trout family.
Steve Peerman
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things
you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines,
Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover."
attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having
written this.
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