texascavers Digest 27 Apr 2010 14:54:25 -0000 Issue 1037
Topics (messages 14569 through 14578):
Re: Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war moves from border - Another
Public Service Message From The TSA
14569 by: Nico Escamilla
14570 by: Louise Power
14571 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
14572 by: Charles Goldsmith
14573 by: SS
14574 by: Don Cooper
14578 by: Fritz Holt
Re: NSS Convention related
14575 by: Herman Miller
14576 by: Geary Schindel
14577 by: Josh Rubinstein
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Isnt going out of your house every day to work tempting fate? I mean you
could have a car accident, same thing goes to trusting your life to a skinny
nylon rope to descend into a cave, the rope might get cut from abrasion and
you can fall to your death. We're all constantly tempting fate, again when
you're time has come it'll happen regardless of where or with whom you are.
Nico
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]>wrote:
> Same kinds of caves as Houston--long, round, with few speleothems.
>
> And, as I told Nico, I'm not afeared of going to Mexico. Used to go 5 or 6
> times during the 60s and 70s. I'm just opposed to tempting fate.
>
> Louise
> ------------------------------
>
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war
> moves from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:07:02 -0500
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]
>
>
>
> Dallas has caves?!
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Frank Binney [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 26, 2010 1:10 PM
> *To:* Nico Escamilla; Louise Power
> *Cc:* Texas Cavers
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war
> moves from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
>
>
>
> I remember a few year back a caver was shot to death by unknown assailants
> in Dallas, in front of his own home.
> I haven’t gone caving in Dallas since!
>
> Frank
>
>
> On 4/26/10 10:16 AM, "Nico Escamilla"
> <[email protected]<http://gmail.com/>>
> wrote:
>
> Thats just because you're scared of traveling into Mexico Louise
>
> I firmly believe that when the time has come to go meet my maker, it'll
> happen regardless of where I am, be it in a cave, in the middle of a gun
> fight, stepping out of the house, heck even inside the safety of my own
> house, if your time hasnt come yet you'll be safe regardless.
>
> Nico
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Louise Power
> <[email protected]<http://hotmail.com/>>
> wrote:
>
> Canada and caving areas within the US are looking better and better all the
> time.
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
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--- Begin Message ---
I realize that life is a risk, but I have no desire to fling myself headlong
into the pit and rely on the fickle finger of fate not to point in my
direction. It would be like the drunk who decided he could walk across I-5 the
other nite. He didn't make it.
From: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:40:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war moves
from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Isnt going out of your house every day to work tempting fate? I mean you could
have a car accident, same thing goes to trusting your life to a skinny nylon
rope to descend into a cave, the rope might get cut from abrasion and you can
fall to your death. We're all constantly tempting fate, again when you're time
has come it'll happen regardless of where or with whom you are.
Nico
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
Same kinds of caves as Houston--long, round, with few speleothems.
And, as I told Nico, I'm not afeared of going to Mexico. Used to go 5 or 6
times during the 60s and 70s. I'm just opposed to tempting fate.
Louise
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war moves
from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:07:02 -0500
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Dallas has caves?!
Mark
From: Frank Binney [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:10 PM
To: Nico Escamilla; Louise Power
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war moves
from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
I remember a few year back a caver was shot to death by unknown assailants in
Dallas, in front of his own home.
I haven’t gone caving in Dallas since!
Frank
On 4/26/10 10:16 AM, "Nico Escamilla" <[email protected]> wrote:
Thats just because you're scared of traveling into Mexico Louise
I firmly believe that when the time has come to go meet my maker, it'll happen
regardless of where I am, be it in a cave, in the middle of a gun fight,
stepping out of the house, heck even inside the safety of my own house, if your
time hasnt come yet you'll be safe regardless.
Nico
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote:
Canada and caving areas within the US are looking better and better all the
time.
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--- Begin Message ---
Hey Nico,
I hear you, amigo. In fact, I'll use my own existence as an example. I'm going
to list four things that have
happened in my life in the past six months. Two of them have caused me pain,
and two were easy going and fun.
A. Spent two weeks in Tampaulipas, Mexico, in remote mountains, and drove down
there from Texas.
B. Stubbed my little toe in the bedroom on some picture frames leaning against
the wall.
C. Spent 10 days caving in the mountains of southern Mexico state of Guerrero.
D. Hurt my right ring finger knuckle and some men squeeze my hand so hard when
they shake hands it makes me want to scream.
Anyone want to guess which two have caused me problems? Many of you will pick A
and C, but actually it was B and D that have caused me the most pain recently.
Bill
---- Nico Escamilla <[email protected]> wrote:
> Isnt going out of your house every day to work tempting fate? I mean you
> could have a car accident, same thing goes to trusting your life to a skinny
> nylon rope to descend into a cave, the rope might get cut from abrasion and
> you can fall to your death. We're all constantly tempting fate, again when
> you're time has come it'll happen regardless of where or with whom you are.
>
> Nico
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > Same kinds of caves as Houston--long, round, with few speleothems.
> >
> > And, as I told Nico, I'm not afeared of going to Mexico. Used to go 5 or 6
> > times during the 60s and 70s. I'm just opposed to tempting fate.
> >
> > Louise
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war
> > moves from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
> > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:07:02 -0500
> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> > CC: [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> > Dallas has caves?!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Frank Binney [mailto:[email protected]]
> > *Sent:* Monday, April 26, 2010 1:10 PM
> > *To:* Nico Escamilla; Louise Power
> > *Cc:* Texas Cavers
> > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war
> > moves from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
> >
> >
> >
> > I remember a few year back a caver was shot to death by unknown assailants
> > in Dallas, in front of his own home.
> > I haven’t gone caving in Dallas since!
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > On 4/26/10 10:16 AM, "Nico Escamilla"
> > <[email protected]<http://gmail.com/>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Thats just because you're scared of traveling into Mexico Louise
> >
> > I firmly believe that when the time has come to go meet my maker, it'll
> > happen regardless of where I am, be it in a cave, in the middle of a gun
> > fight, stepping out of the house, heck even inside the safety of my own
> > house, if your time hasnt come yet you'll be safe regardless.
> >
> > Nico
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Louise Power
> > <[email protected]<http://hotmail.com/>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Canada and caving areas within the US are looking better and better all the
> > time.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--- Begin Message ---
And Wednesday, April 28th, 6:45pm at the DFW Grotto meeting
http://dfwgrotto.org, I'll do the following:
E. Give Bill Steele a noogie
That will cause him the most pain of all. :)
Charles
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Nico,
>
> I hear you, amigo. In fact, I'll use my own existence as an example. I'm
> going to list four things that have
> happened in my life in the past six months. Two of them have caused me pain,
> and two were easy going and fun.
>
> A. Spent two weeks in Tampaulipas, Mexico, in remote mountains, and drove
> down there from Texas.
>
> B. Stubbed my little toe in the bedroom on some picture frames leaning
> against the wall.
>
> C. Spent 10 days caving in the mountains of southern Mexico state of Guerrero.
>
> D. Hurt my right ring finger knuckle and some men squeeze my hand so hard
> when they shake hands it makes me want to scream.
>
>
> Anyone want to guess which two have caused me problems? Many of you will pick
> A and C, but actually it was B and D that have caused me the most pain
> recently.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ---- Nico Escamilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Isnt going out of your house every day to work tempting fate? I mean you
>> could have a car accident, same thing goes to trusting your life to a skinny
>> nylon rope to descend into a cave, the rope might get cut from abrasion and
>> you can fall to your death. We're all constantly tempting fate, again when
>> you're time has come it'll happen regardless of where or with whom you are.
>>
>> Nico
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Louise Power
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>> > Same kinds of caves as Houston--long, round, with few speleothems.
>> >
>> > And, as I told Nico, I'm not afeared of going to Mexico. Used to go 5 or 6
>> > times during the 60s and 70s. I'm just opposed to tempting fate.
>> >
>> > Louise
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > From: [email protected]
>> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war
>> > moves from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
>> > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:07:02 -0500
>> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
>> > CC: [email protected]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dallas has caves?!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:* Frank Binney [mailto:[email protected]]
>> > *Sent:* Monday, April 26, 2010 1:10 PM
>> > *To:* Nico Escamilla; Louise Power
>> > *Cc:* Texas Cavers
>> > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war
>> > moves from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I remember a few year back a caver was shot to death by unknown assailants
>> > in Dallas, in front of his own home.
>> > I haven’t gone caving in Dallas since!
>> >
>> > Frank
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/26/10 10:16 AM, "Nico Escamilla"
>> > <[email protected]<http://gmail.com/>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Thats just because you're scared of traveling into Mexico Louise
>> >
>> > I firmly believe that when the time has come to go meet my maker, it'll
>> > happen regardless of where I am, be it in a cave, in the middle of a gun
>> > fight, stepping out of the house, heck even inside the safety of my own
>> > house, if your time hasnt come yet you'll be safe regardless.
>> >
>> > Nico
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Louise Power
>> > <[email protected]<http://hotmail.com/>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Canada and caving areas within the US are looking better and better all the
>> > time.
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
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--- Begin Message ---
Typically AAA doesn't torture you to death and cut your head off.
_____
From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:40 PM
To: Louise Power
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war moves
from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
Isnt going out of your house every day to work tempting fate? I mean you
could have a car accident, same thing goes to trusting your life to a skinny
nylon rope to descend into a cave, the rope might get cut from abrasion and
you can fall to your death. We're all constantly tempting fate, again when
you're time has come it'll happen regardless of where or with whom you are.
Nico
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]>
wrote:
Same kinds of caves as Houston--long, round, with few speleothems.
And, as I told Nico, I'm not afeared of going to Mexico. Used to go 5 or 6
times during the 60s and 70s. I'm just opposed to tempting fate.
Louise
_____
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war moves
from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:07:02 -0500
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Dallas has caves?!
Mark
From: Frank Binney [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 1:10 PM
To: Nico Escamilla; Louise Power
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war moves
from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
I remember a few year back a caver was shot to death by unknown assailants
in Dallas, in front of his own home.
I haven't gone caving in Dallas since!
Frank
On 4/26/10 10:16 AM, "Nico Escamilla" <[email protected]
<http://gmail.com/> > wrote:
Thats just because you're scared of traveling into Mexico Louise
I firmly believe that when the time has come to go meet my maker, it'll
happen regardless of where I am, be it in a cave, in the middle of a gun
fight, stepping out of the house, heck even inside the safety of my own
house, if your time hasnt come yet you'll be safe regardless.
Nico
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Louise Power <[email protected]
<http://hotmail.com/> > wrote:
Canada and caving areas within the US are looking better and better all the
time.
_____
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
LEGALIZE IT!
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:13 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Just another tender message from your near and dear worry wart of a
> Chairman:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Across the country, the killings continued unabated this week,
> particularly along the Texas-Mexico border. But the battle has increasingly
> moved inland as well. Mexico City, Monterrey and Cuernavaca, all prominent
> business and tourist destinations, are now seeing the stepped-up drug
> violence that has long plagued the border. *
>
>
>
> *Violence has emptied popular tourist destinations and shaken the
> country's most important regions, including Monterrey, the country's
> industrial powerhouse, and Cuernavaca, touted as the "city of eternal
> spring" and a magnet for American retirees, including many from North Texas.
> In recent weeks, the violence in interior regions has been as brutal and
> public as it has along the border. *
>
>
>
> *In Cuernavaca this month, hit men hanged two men from a bridge on the
> highway from Cuernavaca to
> **Acapulco*<http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/Acapulco>
> * and riddled their bodies with gunfire from AK-47s. *
>
> *Outside Monterrey this week, a police officer's body was found with his
> skull smashed and a hit list with the names of 34 other police and security
> officers on it.*
>
>
>
>
>
> Read more at:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/042410dnintinland.3f6a4a3.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cave safely,
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
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--- Begin Message ---
Wavy,
That solves the drug violence problem. Now give us your take on illegal
immigration.
Geezer
________________________________
From: Don Cooper [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:48 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fear, violence spread in Mexico as drug war moves
from border - Another Public Service Message From The TSA
LEGALIZE IT!
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:13 AM,
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Just another tender message from your near and dear worry wart of a Chairman:
Across the country, the killings continued unabated this week, particularly
along the Texas-Mexico border. But the battle has increasingly moved inland as
well. Mexico City, Monterrey and Cuernavaca, all prominent business and tourist
destinations, are now seeing the stepped-up drug violence that has long plagued
the border.
Violence has emptied popular tourist destinations and shaken the country's most
important regions, including Monterrey, the country's industrial powerhouse,
and Cuernavaca, touted as the "city of eternal spring" and a magnet for
American retirees, including many from North Texas. In recent weeks, the
violence in interior regions has been as brutal and public as it has along the
border.
In Cuernavaca this month, hit men hanged two men from a bridge on the highway
from Cuernavaca to Acapulco<http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/Acapulco> and
riddled their bodies with gunfire from AK-47s.
Outside Monterrey this week, a police officer's body was found with his skull
smashed and a hit list with the names of 34 other police and security officers
on it.
Read more at:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/042410dnintinland.3f6a4a3.html
Cave safely,
Mark
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--- Begin Message ---
Depending on if I have a responsibility to go or not is the controlling
factor in deciding whether I go or not. With WNS getting so close I would
hate to go to a convention where I wouldn't be caving. Additionally I
prefer larger conventions and the smallest I can recall going to was
Washington which I know had more then ~120 people.
Herman
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Herman,
Even if you aren't elected to the NSS BOG in 2010, there are other ways to
serve the NSS. Maybe you should go to the NSS Convention to find out what
positions are open in the NSS structure and serve in one of those capacities.
It is a great way to learn what the NSS does, identify issues and problems, and
to develop some ideas on how to improve the organization. In addition, serving
the NSS is an excellent stepping stone for the BOG. By going to the NSS
convention, can also expand your support base by meeting new folks from outside
the area as I don't think that Texas has enough members that vote to directly
elect someone. Also, there will be caving in Vermont and I understand some of
the marble caves are very cool - no pun intended.
Geary
From: Herman Miller [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:53 AM
To: David
Cc: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention related
Depending on if I have a responsibility to go or not is the controlling factor
in deciding whether I go or not. With WNS getting so close I would hate to go
to a convention where I wouldn't be caving. Additionally I prefer larger
conventions and the smallest I can recall going to was Washington which I know
had more then ~120 people.
Herman
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
This is my old haunting ground. And there is some rather remarkable caving,
esp. Crane Mountain Cave which is a striped marble cave and one of the caves
offered in the Pre Con trip (www.nss2010.com/pre_and_post.php) Of the led
trips during convention ( http://www.nss2010.com/caving.php) Morris and Red
Mountain are real one-damn-thing-after-another caving. The others I am not
familiar with.
As for WNS, I follow whatever is asked of us. At the convention, they ask
that we from non-WNS states NOT bring our caving clothes and they will
outfit us with helmets, lights and coveralls which I think is pretty cool.
(You might want to bring some polypro since they are 42 degrees F.) Non of
the caves open for the con harbor more than an occasional isolated bat.
it is still early for registration. I suspect the final total will be 500
or so.
C'ya there,
Josh
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Geary Schindel <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Herman,
>
>
>
> Even if you aren’t elected to the NSS BOG in 2010, there are other ways to
> serve the NSS. Maybe you should go to the NSS Convention to find out what
> positions are open in the NSS structure and serve in one of those
> capacities. It is a great way to learn what the NSS does, identify issues
> and problems, and to develop some ideas on how to improve the organization.
> In addition, serving the NSS is an excellent stepping stone for the BOG. By
> going to the NSS convention, can also expand your support base by meeting
> new folks from outside the area as I don’t think that Texas has enough
> members that vote to directly elect someone. Also, there will be caving in
> Vermont and I understand some of the marble caves are very cool – no pun
> intended.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Herman Miller [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:53 AM
> *To:* David
> *Cc:* Cavers Texas
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention related
>
>
>
> Depending on if I have a responsibility to go or not is the controlling
> factor in deciding whether I go or not. With WNS getting so close I would
> hate to go to a convention where I wouldn't be caving. Additionally I
> prefer larger conventions and the smallest I can recall going to was
> Washington which I know had more then ~120 people.
>
> Herman
>
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