texascavers Digest 13 May 2010 01:28:24 -0000 Issue 1049
Topics (messages 14699 through 14727):
Re: "Huautla, the Mexican Cave" A Film By Jay Arnold
14699 by: Herman Miller
Re: commercial caves in the news
14700 by: Louise Power
Deep caving author to be on The Daily Show
14701 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
14712 by: Geary Schindel
old crayfish
14702 by: Mixon Bill
old cavers
14703 by: David
14705 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
14706 by: Rod Goke
14711 by: Fritz Holt
Huntsville, Texas caver ?
14704 by: David
old cave men
14707 by: Mixon Bill
14708 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
Re: caveman lifespan
14709 by: David
14717 by: George-Paul Richmann
TSS work Session
14710 by: Ron Ralph
Modern Understanding of Caves
14713 by: Mark Minton
14714 by: David
14716 by: Louise Power
Re: Giant sinkhole in Quebec
14715 by: Geary Schindel
Re: troglobyte lifespan
14718 by: David
Re: Cecille flooded in Nashville
14719 by: Gill Edigar
14720 by: David
Mexico visas
14721 by: Sheryl Rieck
14722 by: Mark Minton
14723 by: Ron Rutherford
14724 by: Joe Ranzau
TSA Tax Exempt?
14725 by: Mark Minton
14726 by: Joe Ranzau
East Texas Caver's Cookout - update
14727 by: David
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What an excellent watch, nearly made me late for work. It was nice seeing
it was great seeing some of Texas's epochal cavers all gathered in one film.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Michael Pugliese <[email protected]> wrote:
> Now viewable from the link below! The 16-mm film was originally released
> in 1995. The exploration of Sistema Huautla and Cueva de la Peña
> Colorada, near the Huautla resurgence, up to about 1988. Narrated by
> Bill Steele. Bill Steele has graciously allowed me to release this short
> documentary courtesy of the Association for Mexican Cave Studies. The film
> is available to purchase on DVD at amcs-pubs.org <http://www.amcs-pubs.org>
> I've regraded the transfer and removed grain, made general color correction,
> and applied sharpening, among fixing other small flaws with the video.
>
> http://vimeo.com/11628019
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> Director of Photography
> www.MPCINE.com
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> 570.898.3011
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This was an interesting article, but I wonder about some of the information,
e.g.,
Mostly, the creatures scatter into out-of-the-way places and live unusually
long lives, experts said. Their lives are greatly extended by eating less,
producing fewer offspring and encountering far fewer threats than comparable
creatures outside caves.
Scientists say, for instance, white crayfish in the southeastern U.S. caves are
among the longest-living animals in the world -- up to 150 years. Most crayfish
outside caves don't live beyond three or four years.
Color and underlining are mine.
Louise
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> Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 01:39:57 -0500
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> Subject: [Texascavers] commercial caves in the news
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> http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/05/07/1925316/sequoias-crystal-cave-adds-sun.html
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I saw on author James Tabor's Facebook that he's going to be a guest on John
Stewart's The Daily Show on June 15th. He'll be talking about his new book
BLIND DESCENT, scheduled for release next month. A lot of the book is supposed
to be about Sistema Cheve, J2, and Bill Stone.
Tabor says there's a rave review of BLIND DESCENT in the non-fiction section of
www.publishersweekly.com, but I couldn't find it. I'll look again later.
Bill
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Alexander Klimchouk and the Krubera will also be featured in the book. As some
of you may know, Alexander has spent some time in Texas over the last couple of
years. He helped map in Amazing Maze and also has been in Robber Baron, Deep
Cave, and Caverns of Sonora. Alexander was also at the ICS in Kerrville last
year.
As you all may remember, Jim Tabor was at the TCR two years ago and spent time
interviewing Alexander who was also there along with Bill Stone. Here is the
description of the book off the web page.
Geary
ABOUT THIS BOOK
The deepest cave on earth was a prize that had remained unclaimed for
centuries, long after every other ultimate discovery had been made: both poles
by 1912, Everest in 1958, the Challenger Deep in 1961. In 1969 we even walked
on the moon. And yet as late as 2000, the earth’s deepest cave—the
supercave—remained undiscovered. This is the story of the men and women who
risked everything to find it, earning their place in history beside the likes
of Peary, Amundsen, Hillary, and Armstrong.
In 2004, two great scientist-explorers are attempting to find the bottom of the
world. Bold, heroic American Bill Stone is committed to the vast Cheve Cave,
located in southern Mexico and deadly even by supercave standards. On the other
side of the globe, legendary Ukrainian explorer Alexander Klimchouk—Stone’s
polar opposite in temperament and style, but every bit his equal in scientific
expertise, physical bravery, and sheer determination—has targeted Krubera, a
freezing nightmare of a supercave in the Republic of Georgia, where underground
dangers are compounded by the horrors of separatist war in this former Soviet
republic.
Blind Descent explores both the brightest and darkest aspects of the timeless
human urge to discover—to be first. It is also a thrilling epic about a pursuit
that makes even extreme mountaineering and ocean exploration pale by
comparison. These supercavers spent months in multiple camps almost two
vertical miles deep and many more miles from their caves’ exits. They had to
contend with thousand-foot drops, deadly flooded tunnels, raging whitewater
rivers, monstrous waterfalls, mile-long belly crawls, and much more. Perhaps
even worse were the psychological horrors produced by weeks plunged into
absolute, perpetual darkness, beyond all hope of rescue, including a
particularly insidious derangement called The Rapture.
James M. Tabor was granted unprecedented access to logs, journals, photographs,
and video footage of these expeditions, as well as many hours of personal
interviews with surviving participants. Blind Descent is an unforgettable
addition to the classic literature of discovery and adventure. It is also a
testament to human survival and endurance—and to two extraordinary men whose
relentless pursuit of greatness led them to heights of triumph and depths of
tragedy neither could have imagined.
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 7:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] Deep caving author to be on The Daily Show
I saw on author James Tabor's Facebook that he's going to be a guest on John
Stewart's The Daily Show on June 15th. He'll be talking about his new book
BLIND DESCENT, scheduled for release next month. A lot of the book is supposed
to be about Sistema Cheve, J2, and Bill Stone.
Tabor says there's a rave review of BLIND DESCENT in the non-fiction section of
www.publishersweekly.com, but I couldn't find it. I'll look again later.
Bill
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John Cooper's observations in Shelta Cave, Alabama, led him to
estimate the ages of the largest ones there are over 37 and 175 years,
based on their size and the average rate of growth observed in the
population of Orconectes a. australis there. "Growth, Longevity, and
Reproductive Strategies in Shelta Cave Crayfishes," abstract, NSS
Bulletin 40(3)97, 1978. -- Mixon
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Some scientist believe humans could live longer if they lived in caves
and avoided
all contact with all manufactured items.
That may explain some of the folklore about ancient people living for
hundreds of
years.
It seems plausible that some healthy caveman or cavewoman could have lived
to be 175 years old, if they had a good source of water, and fish to eat and
did not charcoal their food, or cook all the vitamins out of it.
If I don't stop eating french fries, pizza, etc, I am not going to make it to
60, much less 100.
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What
May 10, 2010 10:56:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Some scientist believe humans could live longer if they lived in caves
and avoided
all contact with all manufactured items.
That may explain some of the folklore about ancient people living for
hundreds of
years.
It seems plausible that some healthy caveman or cavewoman could have lived
to be 175 years old, if they had a good source of water, and fish to eat and
did not charcoal their food, or cook all the vitamins out of it.
If I don't stop eating french fries, pizza, etc, I am not going to make it to
60, much less 100.
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Interesting idea, David. Avoiding all contact with all manufactured items seems
kinda extreme, though. Bet you could do almost as well merely by avoiding all
contact with computers. Why don't you start with that less drastic version and
let us all know how much it extends you longevity. ;-)
Rod
;)
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>From: David <[email protected]>
>Sent: May 10, 2010 11:56 PM
>To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Texascavers] old cavers
>
>Some scientist believe humans could live longer if they lived in caves
>and avoided
>all contact with all manufactured items.
>
>That may explain some of the folklore about ancient people living for
>hundreds of
>years.
>
>It seems plausible that some healthy caveman or cavewoman could have lived
>to be 175 years old, if they had a good source of water, and fish to eat and
>did not charcoal their food, or cook all the vitamins out of it.
>
>If I don't stop eating french fries, pizza, etc, I am not going to make it to
>60, much less 100.
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Reminds me of a Buddy Holley song, "that'll Be The Day".
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From: Rod Goke [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:19 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] old cavers
Interesting idea, David. Avoiding all contact with all manufactured items seems
kinda extreme, though. Bet you could do almost as well merely by avoiding all
contact with computers. Why don't you start with that less drastic version and
let us all know how much it extends you longevity. ;-)
Rod
;)
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>From: David <[email protected]>
>Sent: May 10, 2010 11:56 PM
>To: Cavers Texas <[email protected]>
>Subject: [Texascavers] old cavers
>
>Some scientist believe humans could live longer if they lived in caves
>and avoided
>all contact with all manufactured items.
>
>That may explain some of the folklore about ancient people living for
>hundreds of
>years.
>
>It seems plausible that some healthy caveman or cavewoman could have lived
>to be 175 years old, if they had a good source of water, and fish to eat and
>did not charcoal their food, or cook all the vitamins out of it.
>
>If I don't stop eating french fries, pizza, etc, I am not going to make it to
>60, much less 100.
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Does anybody who was at ICS remember meeting a caver
from Huntsville, Texas, who had done most of his caving in
a Pennsylvania caving club ?
He bought all the plywood after the map salon, I think ?
I am trying to send him an invitation to the Cookout that
I am planning.
I need his e-mail or Facebook link.
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I am reminded of a cartoon that appeared in The New Yorker maybe a
year ago. One caveman says to another, "Our air is pure, our water is
clean, we get lots of exercise, and everything we eat is organic. How
come we all die in our thirties?" Civilization has its advantages. --
Mixon
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Lest we forget:
Old Man Wisdom & DADDY WAS A CAVER & MAMA WAS A CAVER.
May 11, 2010 09:07:51 AM,
[email protected] wrote:
I am reminded of a cartoon that appeared in The New Yorker maybe a
year ago. One caveman says to another, "Our air is pure, our water is
clean, we get lots of exercise, and everything we eat is organic. How
come we all die in our thirties?" Civilization has its advantages. --
Mixon
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I should have posted the link to the article I was referring to,
as it just appeared on the web last night:
http://www.cattlenetwork.com/Cancer-Panel-Wants-Us-To-Be-Cave-Dwellers/2010-05-10/Article_Latest_News.aspx?oid=1071994&fid=CN-LATEST_NEWS_
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David,
So...why were you surfing the "cattle network"?
This topic is terribly topical to caving, great topic for the OT list
or for the Locklear fan club mailing list.
Cheers,
GP
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:48 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote:
> I should have posted the link to the article I was referring to,
> as it just appeared on the web last night:
>
> http://www.cattlenetwork.com/Cancer-Panel-Wants-Us-To-Be-Cave-Dwellers/2010-05-10/Article_Latest_News.aspx?oid=1071994&fid=CN-LATEST_NEWS_
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Cavers,
There is a scheduled second Wednesday work session of the Texas
Speleological Survey May 12th at the JJ Pickle Research Center on Burnet
Road north of highway 183. We will work many projects including preparing
another batch of oversized maps ready for a copy session at Texas Parks and
Wildlife Department. We will continue to update electronic files and maybe
scan and clean a few regular sized maps. Come by and see if you would like
to organize one of our cave rich counties. If you attend, you will also be
able to work on your own projects as well.
Both publication sales and the library will be open. The door will be open
at 5:00 p.m. and stay open till we adjourn. The TSS office phone is 475-8802
if you get lost or stopped by the guard. Remember it is best to arrive
before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not let you in! If you have
questions or problems, please contact me at [email protected] or the
office manager, Jim Kennedy. Please go to
http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/tsscalendar.htm for additional
information.
Ron Ralph
Cell: 797-3817
Map to the place is at: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/ On PRC map 2 ("NW
Area"), 18-A is the little building just above the "ra" in "Granberry". Park
to the south in the PETEX lot across the street (Read Granberry Trail) from
building 18-A
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This is truly bizarre: <http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cave>.
Mark Minton
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Since the author spells the word "memorize," as "memorise," he is
either British which is unlikely due to the religious nature of the
article, or he is under 17 which explains his thought processes.
Other language in the article suggest a male teen of about 14 or 15
years old, such as comparing a cave to a vagina, and that he likes
Chuck Norris.
There is one interesting point, he mentions the phrase "Extreme
Darkness" like that which is found in a Black Hole, can be found at
the bottom of really deep caves. So maybe there is
something darker than "total darkness."
There are few articles related to caves at this search site, but here
is another one:
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Guano
The author of these articles intent is to be funny, but this so-called
form of humor falls under the "Dumb and Dumber," class of
entertainment.
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And funny!!! I especially liked:
So, stay away from caves, unless you want to be sucked into a black hole and
thus throw off the entire space time continuum.
I knew there was a reason I didn't go caving any more.
Louise
> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:16:00 -0400
> To: [email protected]; [email protected];
> [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: [Texascavers] Modern Understanding of Caves
>
> This is truly bizarre: <http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cave>.
>
> Mark Minton
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Thought some of you might be interested in this. A giant sinkhole has eaten a
home in Quebec and there is a family of four missing.
Geary
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/11/report-quebec-family-missing-after-sinkhole-swallows-home/?hpt=T2
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I should have explained better in my previous 2 post that my comment
was in response to the
earlier post about troglobytes living to 175 years, like blind crawfish.
I was in a hurry when I posted the original post.
Sorry for the confusion
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Some of you know everybody mentioned here. And some who aren't.
--Ediger
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From: Cheryl Jones <[email protected]>
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:39 PM
Subject: Cecille flooded in Nashville
To: [email protected]
(From TAG-Net) For those who know Cecille James, who makes caving clothing
and used to live in B'burg.
1) Cecille's situation
By: Mark Turner (Wilmington, Delaware)
[email protected]
I spoke to some friends of mine on the ground in Nashville. Her home
flooded to the ceiling, but Joel and Cecille are physically OK. However,
the floods took a terrible toll on her business, materials, equipment,
transportation, personal items and from what I can gather, the house is
very probably a total loss. The Mill Creek was right across the street
from her and when the rains came, the creek came to her. Her stores of
material and stock festooned trees along the creek. Some has been
recovered, but much has not. My guess is that she could use any and all
help. At last word, she was a guest of Mike Moser's. He's in the NSS
directory if you want to contact her or volunteer...
3) Help for Larry Matthews and Cecile James
By: Dave Wascher (Nashville, Tennessee)
[email protected]
The Nashville Grotto had two of our fellow cavers that had their homes
destroyed by the flood. Cecile James and Larry Matthews both got hit hard
with severe damages to their homes and all of their belongings. We gave them
each a $100 Kroger card and a $500 Visa gift card along with some basic
supplies to help them and their families with their immediate needs.
We have set up a PayPal page for anyone that wants to make a donation. We
have links on our website. Please give if you can:
http://nashvillegrotto.org/make-donation-our-flooded-grotto-members
Dave Wascher Nashville Grotto Chair www.nashvillegrotto.org
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She got hit pretty hard at the NSS Convention in Indiana, 3 years ago.
That is terrible news. She is one of the most dedicated people I
have met that
help cavers.
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I know all you smart people will know the answer to this question. Do we
have to turn in our Mexico visitors visas or just the car permit?
Thanks.
Sheryl
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I asked that very question of the customs official when we
got our tourist permits last Christmas. He said yes, they should be
turned in. It is not as convenient to do so because you have to get
out and take them into the customs office, instead of just driving by
a booth like you can for the vehicle permit in most places. At this
point I don't think there is any penalty for not turning them in,
unlike for vehicle permits, but with their increasing computerization
that could easily change at any time. I'd be safe and turn them in.
Mark Minton
At 10:02 AM 5/12/2010, Sheryl Rieck wrote:
I know all you smart people will know the answer to this question.
Do we have to turn in our Mexico visitors visas or just the car permit?
Thanks.
Sheryl
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Does anyone know if our unexpired FMTs are still good, or do we need to stop
and get one of the new FMM permits?
--
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They let me cross into Mexico at Chetumal with my unexpired FMT a few
days after the switch to FMM. I bet it just depends on the person
working at the time... I even showed them my paperwork just to be
sure.
To answer Sheryl's question, they entered my passport info into the
system for my tourist permit for the first time and gave me some kind
of print out. I'll be returning this one.
Joe
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Ron Rutherford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if our unexpired FMTs are still good, or do we need to stop
> and get one of the new FMM permits?
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> Ron Rutherford
> Microsoft SQL Server DBA/Developer
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There was a story on NPR this morning that said all small
non-profit groups need to file a federal tax form by next Monday's
deadline or risk losing their tax exempt status. I don't know
whether TSA or some Texas grottos have tax exempt status and whether
this might apply to them. The form (990-N) is supposed to be quite
short and easy, but the main thing is to get it in on time. Here's
the story: <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126745771>.
Mark Minton
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TSA was not tax exempt last time I checked.
Joe
On May 12, 2010, at 12:22 PM, Mark Minton <[email protected]> wrote:
There was a story on NPR this morning that said all small non-
profit groups need to file a federal tax form by next Monday's
deadline or risk losing their tax exempt status. I don't know
whether TSA or some Texas grottos have tax exempt status and whether
this might apply to them. The form (990-N) is supposed to be quite
short and easy, but the main thing is to get it in on time. Here's
the story: <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126745771
>.
Mark Minton
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I met with the campground manager today ( May 12 ).
The Cookout is on schedule for May 22nd.
He agreed that I could put a combo lock on the entrance gate.
The gate will be kept locked most of the time.
The combination will be 4490. If that does
work, don't worry. The gate is only 2 foot off the ground, so you
can step over it, and walk up to the camp.
There will not be any signs. It is the only campground on
Happy Hollow Road and about 2 miles down the road, whether
you are approaching from the north or the south ( meaning it is
in the middle of a 4 mile long road ). There should be an orange
traffic cone set out by the entrance, so the gate will be more
visible in the dark. The road makes a 90 degree bend around the
camp. The gate is on the south side of the road, and easy to see.
I have lots of supplies for a big event in storage 6 miles away.
Since only 2 people have RSVP'd, I will probably leave most of
it in storage. There are some minor things still to get, but
nothing to stress out over.
If major thunderstorms are forecasted for the area, the
Cookout, I will post another update. But if it is just regular
spring rain, then we will just move indoors if it rains.
There will be popcorn and hi-def movies as Plan B.
The Cookout is just 10 days away. But I encourage everybody
to come the night before and camp all weekend.
The potential for fun at this event is pretty high. The camp has
a forest of 60 acres of big oak trees, and it has never been open
to the general public before this event. Relaxing in a hammock
and bicycling will be the primary activities.
Because of the low turn out, you don't need a tent. There are 18
large covered structures you could sleep under, but you will want
something for the mosquitos or a tarp for privacy. Each campsite
is about an acre of oak trees. Each campsite has a standard
water faucet, and electricity.
There will be some very simple door prizes that are caving
related.
There will be a very small activity area set up
for young children, mainly for my 5 year old daughter.
Please tell anybody you know that likes caves about this.
Hopefully, this will be a success even with the very low turnout,
so that next year, the Cookout will be a much easier to coordinate.
Cheers,
David Locklear
host of the Cookout
2029 Happy Hollow Road, Brenham, TX
cell 281-960-0687
P.S. I need a splitter connector for my propane tank, if you are
coming and just happen to have one. They sell them for $ 11
just down the road from the camp.
Things I don't have yet are: rice, fruit, meat, ice, soft drinks,
& beer. I have lots of wine and scotch whiskey, but alcohol
must be kept out of view.
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