texascavers Digest 27 May 2010 18:15:07 -0000 Issue 1061
Topics (messages 14900 through 14911):
Re: Cookout Report # 6
14900 by: Sheryl Rieck
14904 by: Bill Bentley
14906 by: caverarch.aol.com
14908 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
14910 by: Fritz Holt
14911 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
Temporary construction work available at the Sprouse house
14901 by: Terri Sprouse
14903 by: Terri Sprouse
Re: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont!
14902 by: Mixon Bill
Re: Paging Michael Sisson
14905 by: mark gee
14907 by: mark gee
Bites in the Nite (not bats)
14909 by: caverarch.aol.com
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I still do this myself in times of high stress. I once sat up in bed
screaming 'GET THEM OFF! GET THEM OFF!' because I thought someone was
pouring buckets of snakes over me. My ex told me he started trying to get
them off (at the time he didn't know what he was trying to get off because
there was nothing there), I then turned and looked at him and laid back down
and went back to sleep. Another time I crawled off the end of the bed. And
just 2 nights ago, I jumped up and turned on the light when I dreamed a ball
of something was coming at me. George loved that! LOL
Sheryl
-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]; David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I have a friend who still did this well into his twenties. We would
be
woken up, in a caving hut, at 3am to him screaming something like
"DON'T
PRESS THE MAGIC BUTTON!". He would then pass back out whilst the rest
of
us tried to get our heart rates back to normal in the next 30mins. He
never remembered these episodes in the morning.
:-)
Cheers,
Stefan
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:16 AM
To: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Night terrors, David.
This used to happen to my younger son and seems to occur when kids
are 5
to 8 years old, or so.
It about gave my late wife and me a heart attack the first time it
happened.
They wake up yelling and screaming, but, their eyes aren't focused on
you. Then, just as abruptly, he would lay down and go back to sleep.
Like nothing happened and he wouldn't remember anything the next day.
Thank goodness for good ol' Dr. Spock's book that explained this and
other childhood problems and issues.
Glad to hear that the weekend was successful and that you're still
married!
Thanks for the blow-by-blow reports and have a safe and RELAXING
Memorial Day weekend, David, and y'all.
If you have an American flag, FLY IT!
Later,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:00 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
She seemed to be in a sleepwalking state, and not her real self.
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Very interesting. I am 50 years old and had them as a child, but have had 2
episodes in the last 6 months out of the blue ... maybe it is stress. My
wife nearly got hit as I woke up swinging... I faintly remember them..
Bill
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From: "Sheryl Rieck" <[email protected]>
To: "'Stefan Creaser'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>;
"'David'" <[email protected]>; "'Cavers Texas'"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I still do this myself in times of high stress. I once sat up in bed
screaming 'GET THEM OFF! GET THEM OFF!' because I thought someone was
pouring buckets of snakes over me. My ex told me he started trying to get
them off (at the time he didn't know what he was trying to get off because
there was nothing there), I then turned and looked at him and laid back
down
and went back to sleep. Another time I crawled off the end of the bed. And
just 2 nights ago, I jumped up and turned on the light when I dreamed a
ball
of something was coming at me. George loved that! LOL
Sheryl
-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:03 AM
To: [email protected]; David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I have a friend who still did this well into his twenties. We would
be
woken up, in a caving hut, at 3am to him screaming something like
"DON'T
PRESS THE MAGIC BUTTON!". He would then pass back out whilst the
rest
of
us tried to get our heart rates back to normal in the next 30mins.
He
never remembered these episodes in the morning.
:-)
Cheers,
Stefan
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:16 AM
To: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Night terrors, David.
This used to happen to my younger son and seems to occur when kids
are 5
to 8 years old, or so.
It about gave my late wife and me a heart attack the first time it
happened.
They wake up yelling and screaming, but, their eyes aren't focused
on
you. Then, just as abruptly, he would lay down and go back to sleep.
Like nothing happened and he wouldn't remember anything the next
day.
Thank goodness for good ol' Dr. Spock's book that explained this and
other childhood problems and issues.
Glad to hear that the weekend was successful and that you're still
married!
Thanks for the blow-by-blow reports and have a safe and RELAXING
Memorial Day weekend, David, and y'all.
If you have an American flag, FLY IT!
Later,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:00 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
She seemed to be in a sleepwalking state, and not her real self.
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Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred
for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are
asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night)
he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him,
and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually
on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the
nose! He is pushing his luck at this point.
And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without
restlessness.
Roger Moore
GHG
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Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Very interesting. I am 50 years old and had them as a child, but have had 2
episodes in the last 6 months out of the blue ... maybe it is stress. My wife
nearly got hit as I woke up swinging... I faintly remember them..
Bill
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I know what I would do with him, Roger!
Mark
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers
(bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed
after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently
actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will
roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that
slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the
worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his
luck at this point.
And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and
without restlessness.
Roger Moore
GHG
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I wouldn't let him on my bed (they have dirty feet and most have fleas). And
besides, I have a hard enough time getting a good night's sleep as it is.
Geezer
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:08 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I know what I would do with him, Roger!
Mark
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers (bred
for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed after we are
asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently actually last night)
he must be having such scary dreams because I will roll over, barely touch him,
and get rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaks the skin. It's usually
on an offending finger, but the worst time was the evening he bit me on the
nose! He is pushing his luck at this point.
And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without
restlessness.
Roger Moore
GHG
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Are we talking about dogs, kids, or wives?
(I'm gonna get in trouble for that last one!).
Mark
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:06 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ EOS; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I wouldn't let him on my bed (they have dirty feet and most have fleas).
And besides, I have a hard enough time getting a good night's sleep as
it is.
Geezer
________________________________
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:08 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I know what I would do with him, Roger!
Mark
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairn terriers
(bred for ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bed
after we are asleep. Occasionally (three times to date, most recently
actually last night) he must be having such scary dreams because I will
roll over, barely touch him, and get rudely awakened by a bite that
slightly breaks the skin. It's usually on an offending finger, but the
worst time was the evening he bit me on the nose! He is pushing his
luck at this point.
And he never bites my wife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and
without restlessness.
Roger Moore
GHG
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Any Central Texas cavers need some extra cash for a few days of construction
work? Wm "Carlos" Nasby could use a hand with our kitchen remodel project and
was about to go down to the day labor pool. We thought we would run it by the
cavers first. We are a little short handed tomorrow (Friday the 28th), Monday
and Tuesday. Electrical experience a plus. Call or email me (826-7960), Carlos
(364-4646) or just stop on by the house.
Thanks,
Terri
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We got it covered! Thanks
Terri
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From: Terri Sprouse <[email protected]>
To: Cave Tex <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:52:57 AM
Subject: Temporary construction work available at the Sprouse house
Any Central Texas cavers need some extra cash for a few days of construction
work? Wm "Carlos" Nasby could use a hand with our kitchen remodel project and
was about to go down to the day labor pool. We thought we would run it by the
cavers first. We are a little short handed tomorrow (Friday the 28th), Monday
and Tuesday. Electrical experience a plus. Call or email me (826-7960), Carlos
(364-4646) or just stop on by the house.
Thanks,
Terri
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Date: May 27, 2010 12:01:25 AM CDT
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Subject: 2010 NSS Convention-Cave Vermont!
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Dear NSS members,
It is now 10 weeks before the Vermont NSS convention. Are you
attending?
Lets talk about caving, after all this is a convention about caves.
Vermont does have some of the best marble caves around along with our
neighboring state of New York. The caves selected we feel you will
enjoy as a sample of Vermont caving while avoiding bat hibernacula.
The majority of caves trips will be led as 95% of the Vermont caves
are located on private land with trip size regulations required. The
non-led trips will be limited in size and number per day.
Led trips have been arranged to caves including Morris Cave, Weybridge
Cave, Red Mountain Pit, Gargantua and Chiller caves in Mt Horrid's
Great Cliffs, Hotwater Pond caves in the Adirondacks, and the Mill
Pond Caves. There may be led trips to old hand dug mines in Vermont as
well. See bottom of this page for descriptions of the caves. There
will also be self-led Trips
to caves in the the Adirondacks in NY.
They are located on state park lands that are open to the public.
Directions to these trips will be provided at the convention.
CAVE DESCRIPTIONS:
Morris Cave – (VT)
Morris Cave is one of the longest and best-known
solution cave in Vermont. Expect an average of six hours to explore
which offers nearly 2000ft of winding passages ranging from belly
crawls to large rooms. There are several pinches in the entrance
series that challenge larger cavers, but once one reaches the main
room, the cave opens up. From there, one can climb down to the lake
room, up to highest point of the cave, or take secondary passages to a
series of waterfall cascades or a marble corkscrew. The cave is formed
in white Sutherland Falls marble and bedded out on pink weathering
dolomite that can be seen in the floor in some parts of the cave. The
cave is located near East Dorset, VT, and is approximately 2 and ½
hours travel south from the convention site. There will be several led
trips and directions available at the convention.
Weybridge Cave – (VT)
Weybridge Cave is Vermont’s third-longest
solutional cave at over 1500ft. It consists of a vadose entry passage
with a 25ft climb down followed by a 45ft rappel into the main trunk
of the cave, a long walking passage with comfortable ceilings and a
great deal of clay infill. There are several points where the passage
is nearly choked, but then opens again almost immediately. There are
also a number of smaller, muddy side passages that drain the main
trunk passage, and a larger side passage that travels about 275ft and
drains the intermittent stream that flows into the cave through the
entrance passage. The entire cave is formed in Belden’s limestone,
which further south in Vermont has been metamorphosed into Belden’s
marble. The cave is located in Weybridge, VT, approximately an hour
and a quarter from the convention site. There will be led trips and
directions available at the convention.
Red Mountain Pit – (VT)
This cave has the single deepest drop in the
northeast at 168ft, which can be rigged either as a single drop with a
questionable ledge partway down, or a shorter drop followed by a
rebelay and traverse and then a clean drop from the opposite side of
the pit. Though no further passage is known at the bottom of Red
Mountain Pit, the cave offers some excellent technical challenges as
well as nice views of the marble strata as it descends through the
Bascolm-Beldens formation. The cave is located near Arlington, VT, and
is about two and a half hours south of the convention site. The
convention will provide a led trip for vertically skilled cavers only.
Mill Pond Caves – (VT)
The Mill Pond Caves are a series of three
short hydrologically related stream caves, two wet and one dry. The
upper dry cave is about 85ft long with one minor constriction and a
series of rooms and domes. The insurgence cave is mostly small and
wet, with about 75ft of crawls and pinches in the stream. The
resurgence cave is connected to the insurgence cave, but blocked by
breakdown, and has entrances at both ends of its 70ft of passage.
There is an ear dip half-way between the sinkhole entrance and the
resurgence entrance that guarantees getting completely soaked. All the
caves are formed in Clarenden Springs Marble. The caves are located in
Colchester, VT, and are about ten-minutes drive from the convention
site.
Mount Horrid Talus Caves – (VT)
The Mount Horrid Talus Caves are not
quite a two hour drive from the convention site. At the name suggests
the caves are in talus. In this case the talus is very massive and
tricky to navigate through. The hike from the parking area to the
talus caves will take at least an hour (uphill).
There are three
main so called caves in this area. Mt. Horrid Ice Cave, Gargantua Cave
and Chiller Cave. The Ice Cave is the most cave like of the group,
nestled under the base of a hundred foot cliff. Gargantua and Chiller
Caves are complex and hard to figure out and hard to find. They have
strong vertical relief and lots of tricky climbing is necessary. Ropes
and vertical gear may be necessary to get to some places. The caves
are quite clean with very little mud or dirt, just lots of sharp and
unstable rock. The experience of simply getting to the talus area and
the surroundings are well worth the effort. This area is not
recommended for a family type outing
Burrough’s Cave and the Hotwater Pond Caves – (NY)
The Hot water Pond
Cave System is a series of hydrologically related caves ranging from
2000ft to 25ft., with about 2700ft of known cave in the system. The
longest cave, Burrough’s, is also the resurgence for the system. It
contains several multi-level passages and one of the largest breakdown
rooms in NY, filled with climbs and meandering passages between
breakdown blocks. Past the breakdown room is the bulk of the cave,
mostly multi-level stream passage leading to gradually shrinking in
feeder passages. The stream is lost towards the back of the cave,
though sections of the dry passage drain away towards it. Next door to
Burrough’s is Rusty Stove, a narrow cave about 300ft long with walls
covered in popcorn. Above on the plateau is Hotwater Pond Cave, the
insurgence for the system, with about 250ft of walking passage and two
entrances. Two other small caves, Porter and Neverellen, are also
located in the karst. All the caves are formed in Grenville marble,
which is ancient and so metamorphosed that it has reduced to many of
its constituent minerals; igneous intrusions into the marble are also
common. These caves are located in Minerva, NY in the Adirondacks,
approximately 2 and ½ hours travel south from the convention site.
There will be led trips and directions available at the convention.
A word on White Nose Syndrome. Nearly all known caves in the northeast
have WNS. Caving Gear used during the convention may be a possible
vector for the spread of WNS to other regions. To help minimize this
risk, basic caving clothing and gear will be provided for cavers
arriving from areas that are not currently affected by WNS. Cavers
coming from areas already affected by WNS should bring their own gear.
We expect to have a good selection of typical caving gear such as
outer clothing, knee pads, helmets, headlamps, boots, cave packs, and
gloves. However we cannot guarantee the selection, nor will we be able
to supply vertical gear or carbide lights. Gear can be reserved at the
convention the day prior to use.
If you have gear that you can loan
or donate, please bring it to the convention.
Vermont caves are one of a kind; you will have the most fun going the
shortest distance in the longest amount of time. For the JSS, we have
three caves with just them in mind.
See you in Vermont,
Rick Pingree
2010 NSS Convention co-chair
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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Cave Tex <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson
Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address?
We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent
address.
Thanks!
Mark
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Steve Webb, contact me off list or call at 972 955 3348
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From: mark gee <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; Cave Tex <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 11:59:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson
Help, Who is the Librarian of our D F-W Grotto. Need to talk. Email or call me
at 972-955-3348.
Mark G
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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Cave Tex <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 10:36:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Paging Michael Sisson
Mike or someone here, could you send me your current email address?
We recently had a server/email “improvement” and I have lost your most recent
address.
Thanks!
Mark
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I guess I'm excessively tolerant of my animals' foibles, Mark. But not so much
as an old friend in Montana. He lost a fingertip to one of his put bull mixes
(aptly named Sacco and Vanzetti) and all was forgiven.
Roger
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 12:08 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
I know what I would do with him, Roger!
Mark
From: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cookout Report # 6
Now you're getting close to home, Bill. One of our two Cairnterriers (bred for
ratting underground in Scotland) often climbs into our bedafter we are asleep.
Occasionally (three times to date, most recentlyactually last night) he must be
having such scary dreams because I will rollover, barely touch him, and get
rudely awakened by a bite that slightly breaksthe skin. It's usually on an
offending finger, but the worst time was theevening he bit me on the nose! He
is pushing his luck at this point.
And he never bites mywife, presumably because she sleeps deeply and without
restlessness.
Roger Moore
GHG
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