texascavers Digest 5 Mar 2010 23:03:12 -0000 Issue 999
Topics (messages 14072 through 14078):
Re: Howie's Harness ?
14072 by: ventureman410.juno.com
14073 by: germanyj.aol.com
14074 by: Ron Rutherford
Re: karst on Saturn's moon
14075 by: Ed Goff
14077 by: Josh Rubinstein
14078 by: Nico Escamilla
2 spots available for PEP trip March 13-21
14076 by: Sean Lewis
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He does GREAT work too! In fact both of them do!
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From: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>
To: "germa...@aol.com" <germa...@aol.com>, "texascavers@texascavers.com"
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:25:38 -0600
You can come by and visit me or Becky Jones, we’re both still sewing stuff
(Becky, a lot more than me but then again, I’ll have more free time)
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Geary
From: germa...@aol.com [mailto:germa...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:15 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> conventions to customize things either.
>
Well, that's a bummer. Sewing is a dying art, and much needed in the caving
world to customize packs, knee pads, caving suits......maybe I should learn how
to use the one my mother left me......
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From: mmin...@caver.net
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 2:58 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
It wasn't IMO, but Bruce Smith's On Rope 1.
Mark Minton
Quoting Nikki Green <thelogicl...@gmail.com>:
> I read on another caver list-serv that Howie sold all of his remaining
> stock to IMO. IMO is not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> conventions to customize things either.
>
> Nikki Green
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What kind of news?
>>
>> He made two very nice harnesses for Sara and me. Went to the extra >> hassle
>> of making a removeable padded neoprene liner for comfort >> rappels.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any news on Howie's Harness ?
>>>
>>> That was one of the big vendors at ICS. They have been a regular at
>>> NSS Conventions for many years. It seems like they even came to
>>> a TCR one time.
>>>
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And he sews, too. The all-round caver. Maybe we should put a sewing machine
out on the Deep/Punkin preserve so Geary can sew now that he won't be busy
running the place :-)
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From: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>
To: germa...@aol.com <germa...@aol.com>; texascavers@texascavers.com
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 3:25 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
You can come by and visit me or Becky Jones, we’re both still sewingstuff
(Becky, a lot more than me but then again, I’ll have more free time) LOL.
Geary
From: germa...@aol.com[mailto:germa...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:15 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> conventions to customize things either.
>
Well, that's a bummer. Sewing is a dying art, and much needed in thecaving
world to customize packs, knee pads, caving suits......maybe I shouldlearn how
to use the one my mother left me......
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From: mmin...@caver.net
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 2:58 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
It wasn't IMO, but Bruce Smith'sOn Rope 1.
Mark Minton
Quoting Nikki Green <thelogicl...@gmail.com>:
> I read on another caver list-serv that Howie sold all of hisremaining
> stock to IMO. IMO is not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> conventions to customize things either.
>
> Nikki Green
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What kind of news?
>>
>> He made two very nice harnesses for Sara and me. Went to the extra>> hassle
>> of making a removeable padded neoprene liner for comfort>> rappels.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any news on Howie's Harness ?
>>>
>>> That was one of the big vendors at ICS. They have been a regularat
>>> NSS Conventions for many years. It seems like they even cameto
>>> a TCR one time.
>>>
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>
> Ron Rutherford does some sewing in the Driftwood/Rolling Oaks area, a
> little closer to home for some. Custom caving pants are in the works.
>
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> From: Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org>
> To: germa...@aol.com <germa...@aol.com>; texascavers@texascavers.com <
> texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 3:25 pm
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
>
> You can come by and visit me or Becky Jones, we’re both still sewing
> stuff (Becky, a lot more than me but then again, I’ll have more free time)
> LOL.
>
> Geary
>
> *From:* germa...@aol.com [mailto:germa...@aol.com <germa...@aol.com?>]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 05, 2010 3:15 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
>
>
>
> not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> > conventions to customize things either.
> >
>
>
> Well, that's a bummer. Sewing is a dying art, and much needed in the
> caving world to customize packs, knee pads, caving suits......maybe I should
> learn how to use the one my mother left me......
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mmin...@caver.net
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 2:58 pm
> Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Howie's Harness ?
> It wasn't IMO, but Bruce Smith's On Rope 1.
>
> Mark Minton
>
> Quoting Nikki Green <thelogicl...@gmail.com>:
>
> > I read on another caver list-serv that Howie sold all of his remaining
> > stock to IMO. IMO is not planning on bringing sewing machines to
> > conventions to customize things either.
> >
> > Nikki Green
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 5, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Joe Ranzau <jran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What kind of news?
> >>
> >> He made two very nice harnesses for Sara and me. Went to the extra >>
> hassle of making a removeable padded neoprene liner for comfort >> rappels.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is there any news on Howie's Harness ?
> >>>
> >>> That was one of the big vendors at ICS. They have been a regular at
> >>> NSS Conventions for many years. It seems like they even came to
> >>> a TCR one time.
> >>>
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If a is going to turn out to equal b, then a-b has to be 0, therefore in your
first step you multiplied both sides of the equation by 0. In caving terms,
this would be equivalent to the following: If you start out in a cave with 2
stalactites of equal length, and you break both of them off and throw them
away, they are still equal.
Ed
On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Bill Walden wrote:
> To Fofo and all,
>
> With reference to phd comics! One can easily prove any two numbers equal. I
> remember this from high school days ugh, 50 some years ago:
>
> Given:
>
> One can maintain the equality of an equation as long as the same operation is
> done to both sides.
>
> a+b=c Multiply both sides by (a-b)
>
> a2-b2=ca-cb Subtract ca from both sides, add b2 to both sides
>
> a2-ca=b2-cb Complete the square by adding c2/4 to both sides
>
> a2-ca+c2/4=b2-cb+b2/4 now take the square root of both sides
>
> a-c/2=b-c/2 Add c/2 to both sides
>
> a=b
>
> Beautiful -- right? Try substituting real numbers such as 2+3=5 and maintain
> the format. Results: 2=3.
>
> What does this have to do with caving?? It sure could screw up our surveys!
>
> I bet the press would have fun with this.
>
> OK where is the fallacy?
>
> Best regards,
> Bill Walden
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fofo" <gonza...@msu.edu>
> To: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] karst on Saturn's moon
>
> > It goes something like this:
> >
> > http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1174
> >
> > - Fofo
> >
> > Mixon Bill wrote, on 5/3/10 7:03:
> >> Where do they find those idiots to write press releases?
> > ...
> >
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Bill,
The problem is in the fourth step. For it to be equivelent you have to
square the whole function on each side not the invidual variables. For
example the square of 2 plus the square of 3 are not equal to the square of
(2+3). Besides a-c is the square root of a2-2ca+c2
not a2-ca+c2
Josh
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Ed Goff <eg...@rice.edu> wrote:
> If a is going to turn out to equal b, then a-b has to be 0, therefore in
> your first step you multiplied both sides of the equation by 0. In caving
> terms, this would be equivalent to the following: If you start out in a cave
> with 2 stalactites of equal length, and you break both of them off and throw
> them away, they are still equal.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Bill Walden wrote:
>
> To Fofo and all,
>
> With reference to phd comics! One can easily prove any two numbers equal. I
> remember this from high school days ugh, 50 some years ago:
>
> Given:
>
>
> One can maintain the equality of an equation as long as the same operation
> is done to both sides.
>
> a+b=c Multiply both sides by (a-b)
>
> a2-b2=ca-cb Subtract ca from both sides, add b2 to both sides
>
> a2-ca=b2-cb Complete the square by adding c2/4 to both sides
>
> a2-ca+c2/4=b2-cb+b2/4 now take the square root of both sides
>
> a-c/2=b-c/2 Add c/2 to both sides
>
> a=b
>
> Beautiful -- right? Try substituting real numbers such as 2+3=5 and
> maintain the format. Results: 2=3.
>
> What does this have to do with caving?? It sure could screw up our surveys!
>
> I bet the press would have fun with this.
>
> OK where is the fallacy?
>
> Best regards,
> Bill Walden
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fofo" <gonza...@msu.edu>
> To: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] karst on Saturn's moon
>
> > It goes something like this:
> >
> > http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1174
> >
> > - Fofo
> >
> > Mixon Bill wrote, on 5/3/10 7:03:
> >> Where do they find those idiots to write press releases?
> > ...
> >
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would y'all mind keeping math out of the list, I have more than enough of it
in school, thank you
Nico
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Josh Rubinstein <kars...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> The problem is in the fourth step. For it to be equivelent you have to
> square the whole function on each side not the invidual variables. For
> example the square of 2 plus the square of 3 are not equal to the square of
> (2+3). Besides a-c is the square root of a2-2ca+c2
> not a2-ca+c2
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Ed Goff <eg...@rice.edu> wrote:
>
>> If a is going to turn out to equal b, then a-b has to be 0, therefore in
>> your first step you multiplied both sides of the equation by 0. In caving
>> terms, this would be equivalent to the following: If you start out in a cave
>> with 2 stalactites of equal length, and you break both of them off and throw
>> them away, they are still equal.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Bill Walden wrote:
>>
>> To Fofo and all,
>>
>> With reference to phd comics! One can easily prove any two numbers equal.
>> I remember this from high school days ugh, 50 some years ago:
>>
>> Given:
>>
>>
>> One can maintain the equality of an equation as long as the same operation
>> is done to both sides.
>>
>> a+b=c Multiply both sides by (a-b)
>>
>> a2-b2=ca-cb Subtract ca from both sides, add b2 to both sides
>>
>> a2-ca=b2-cb Complete the square by adding c2/4 to both sides
>>
>> a2-ca+c2/4=b2-cb+b2/4 now take the square root of both sides
>>
>> a-c/2=b-c/2 Add c/2 to both sides
>>
>> a=b
>>
>> Beautiful -- right? Try substituting real numbers such as 2+3=5 and
>> maintain the format. Results: 2=3.
>>
>> What does this have to do with caving?? It sure could screw up our
>> surveys!
>>
>> I bet the press would have fun with this.
>>
>> OK where is the fallacy?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bill Walden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Fofo" <gonza...@msu.edu>
>> To: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] karst on Saturn's moon
>>
>> > It goes something like this:
>> >
>> > http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1174
>> >
>> > - Fofo
>> >
>> > Mixon Bill wrote, on 5/3/10 7:03:
>> >> Where do they find those idiots to write press releases?
>> > ...
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>>
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Hello,
This is an advertisement for a small number of open spots for the UT Grotto
PEP trip to Conrado Castillo in Mexico. This trip is coming up VERY SOON.
Our previous transportation problems have been solved, and we have a couple
spots available.
IF:
a. you have at least a little survey experience before
b. you have a valid passport
c. you are willing to do vertical and wetsuit trips
d. you can bring your own food and support yourself for a week
e. you want to spend a week exploring Mexico's longest dry cave!!
THEN:
Send me an email if you're interested! Additional trip details on the UT
grotto calendar.
(request: Please change the subject of the email in reply, because that way
I am guaranteed not to ignore it. Yes, it is true, sometimes I don't always
look at emails that begin with [Texascavers]. )
Sean
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