texascavers Digest 8 Apr 2010 20:21:23 -0000 Issue 1024

Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:21:33 -0700 (PDT) 

texascavers Digest 8 Apr 2010 20:21:23 -0000 Issue 1024

Topics (messages 14395 through 14403):

Aquifer related: BSEACD Aquifer Bulletin--Water Conservation Period
        14395 by: Robin Gary

Mammut LED Headlight
        14396 by: Preston Forsythe

Re: a rigging question ?
        14397 by: Preston Forsythe
        14398 by: Rod Goke
        14399 by: Antonio AA
        14400 by: Rod Goke
        14401 by: Antonio AA
        14403 by: Fritz Holt

Calling All Wanna Be Proofreaders and Past TC Editors!
        14402 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com

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Hi guys,

While this isn't entirely caving related... aquifers and caves go hand in
hand, so I thought I would pass this along.  The Barton Springs Aquifer
District's Water Conservation Period edition of the Aquifer Bulletin just
came out today.  Here's the announcement...

If you have any questions, the quickest way to reach me is [email protected]
.
Have a great one!
    - Robin


**

*Hello Friends of the Aquifers!*



Spring is here!  And so is our Water Conservation Period edition of the
Aquifer Bulletin.  This newsletter is packed with information about the
Water Conservation Period that starts May 1st.



Please visit www.bseacd.org/outreach/newsletters and click on ‘Current
Newsletter’ for our Water Conservation Period edition.



Newsletter Topics include:

·         Aquifer Status

·         Water Conservation Period Overview

·         User Drought Contingency Plans

·         Home Self Irrigation Audits

·         2010 Austin Cave Festival Recap

·         Dahlstrom Ranch Conservation Easement Update

·         Election of District Directors

·         Habitat Conservation Plan

·         Drought Stages Overview



*Attention Teachers and Educators… *

Registration for The Groundwater To the Gulf: Summer Institute for Central
Texas Educators (June 22-24th) is now open!  This 3-day, hands-on, field
trip-based training is FREE and a wonderful opportunity to explore local
science issues!  Please visit www.bseacd.org/events/g2g for more
information.



*And Attention all Volunteers…*

We’re looking for help for our annual Creek Cleanup on May 15th.  This year
we’ll be working on a stretch of Williamson Creek.  We’ll provide a t-shirt,
drinks and lunch in exchange for help protecting the quality of water
recharging our aquifer.  For more information, visit:
www.bseacd.org/events/creek_cleanups



As always, if you have any questions feel free to contact me.  Thanks for
your help and interest in protecting our aquifers!

Enjoy the day,

-          Robin


-- 
sent from Robin's g-mail account
cell phone:  512-569-5659

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--- Begin Message --- A few months ago I recommended a new Mammut LED headlight. I now RETRACT that recommendation. The spotlight is too bright and the two low settings are Not bright enuf for me for going thru a cave. But, the burn times are incredible. Seven days or so on the spotlight, so I am keeping the light as a backup. Uses 3 AAA. Can you believe 7 days on 3 AAA? I need a spotlight and also a light with a setting similar to the good old carbide lite. I have a basement full of old lites!
By the way IMHO the carbide light is still the best tool for making a survey station. Do we have any discussion on this Point? Red flagging tape and a Sharpie?...........The old plastic poker chip with a painted number and copper or stainless wire for key survey stations at major intersections? 


Preston in western KY

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Yep, double rope pull down is what we do rock climbing.

Preston
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Antonio AA 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?


  This technique scares me. I prefer to rappel with double rope (the middle of 
the rope passes thru the maillon). Then, when landed, pull it down.


  Sherppa





  > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:35:00 -0700
  > From: [email protected]
  > To: [email protected]
  > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
  > 
  > Hey, David.
  > 
  > It's rigged for a pull-down. The Petzl Attache is only used as a stopper 
  > so that it doesn't go through the maillon, and the pull-down rope is to 
  > a side (coming towards the bottom of the picture), to prevent 
  > confusions. The last one down would make sure to drop this other side of 
  > the rope, go down the correct strand and then pull down the rope, 
  > leaving behind the maillons.
  > 
  > - Fofo
  > 
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That's the way these guys started out, except that instead of one climber rappelling on the double rope, two climbers of equal weight rappelled side-by-side, with one climber rappelling on each side of the double rope. This would have worked, except that one of the climbers was using a carabiner wrap rappel with the rope wrapped around the gate side of his carabiner. This caused the gate to open temporarily during the rappel, allowing the carabiner to disconnect from the climber's harness. As this unfortunate climber fell towards the pool below, the now unbalanced rope pulled through the anchor maillon until the 'biner wrap carabiner from the falling climber became jammed in the anchor maillon. This is the carabiner you see in the picture, with rope tangled around the carabiner gate. The climber in the picture remained attached to his side of the doubled rope, but experienced a rapid decent until the 'biner wrap 'biner banged into the anchor maillon. If you think this technique scares you, just think of how the guy with the 'biner wrap must have felt!

Rod 
;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio AA
Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:15 PM
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?

This technique scares me. I prefer to rappel with double rope (the middle of the rope passes thru the maillon). Then, when landed, pull it down.

Sherppa





> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:35:00 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
>
> Hey, David.
>
> It's rigged for a pull-down. The Petzl Attache is only used as a stopper
> so that it doesn't go through the maillon, and the pull-down rope is to
> a side (coming towards the bottom of the picture), to prevent
> confusions. The last one down would make sure to drop this other side of
> the rope, go down the correct strand and then pull down the rope,
> leaving behind the maillons.
>
> - Fofo
>
>

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OoNow I am confused.As I know, there was no such accident. This pic is just one 
of many more where some guys are showing their last trip looking for caves in a 
long canyon in Mexico.

Sherppa



List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:20:14 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?



That's the way these guys started out, except that instead of one climber 
rappelling on the double rope, two climbers of equal weight rappelled 
side-by-side, with one climber rappelling on each side of the double rope. This 
would have worked, except that one of the climbers was using a carabiner wrap 
rappel with the rope wrapped around the gate side of his carabiner. This caused 
the gate to open temporarily during the rappel, allowing the carabiner to 
disconnect from the climber's harness. As this unfortunate climber fell towards 
the pool below, the now unbalanced rope pulled through the anchor maillon until 
the 'biner wrap carabiner from the falling climber became jammed in the anchor 
maillon. This is the carabiner you see in the picture, with rope tangled around 
the carabiner gate. The climber in the picture remained attached to his side of 
the doubled rope, but experienced a rapid decent until the 'biner wrap 'biner 
banged into the anchor maillon. If you think this technique scares you, just 
think of how the guy with the 'biner wrap must have felt!
Rod ;-)

-----Original Message-----

From: Antonio AA 

Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:15 PM

To: "[email protected]" 

Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?








This technique scares me. I prefer to rappel with double rope (the middle of 
the rope passes thru the maillon). Then, when landed, pull it down.

Sherppa



> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:35:00 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
> 
> Hey, David.
> 
> It's rigged for a pull-down. The Petzl Attache is only used as a stopper 
> so that it doesn't go through the maillon, and the pull-down rope is to 
> a side (coming towards the bottom of the picture), to prevent 
> confusions. The last one down would make sure to drop this other side of 
> the rope, go down the correct strand and then pull down the rope, 
> leaving behind the maillons.
> 
>       - Fofo
> 
> 
                                          
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Notice the ;-) at the end.

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio AA
Sent: Apr 8, 2010 3:58 PM
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?

Oo
Now I am confused.
As I know, there was no such accident. This pic is just one of many more where some guys are showing their last trip looking for caves in a long canyon in Mexico.

Sherppa





Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:20:14 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?

That's the way these guys started out, except that instead of one climber rappelling on the double rope, two climbers of equal weight rappelled side-by-side, with one climber rappelling on each side of the double rope. This would have worked, except that one of the climbers was using a carabiner wrap rappel with the rope wrapped around the gate side of his carabiner. This caused the gate to open temporarily during the rappel, allowing the carabiner to disconnect from the climber's harness. As this unfortunate climber fell towards the pool below, the now unbalanced rope pulled through the anchor maillon until the 'biner wrap carabiner from the falling climber became jammed in the anchor maillon. This is the carabiner you see in the picture, with rope tangled around the carabiner gate. The climber in the picture remained attached to his side of the doubled rope, but experienced a rapid decent until the 'biner wrap 'biner banged into the anchor maillon. If you think this technique scares you, just think of how the guy with the 'biner wrap must have felt!

Rod 
;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio AA
Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:15 PM
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?

This technique scares me. I prefer to rappel with double rope (the middle of the rope passes thru the maillon). Then, when landed, pull it down.

Sherppa





> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:35:00 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
>
> Hey, David.
>
> It's rigged for a pull-down. The Petzl Attache is only used as a stopper
> so that it doesn't go through the maillon, and the pull-down rope is to
> a side (coming towards the bottom of the picture), to prevent
> confusions. The last one down would make sure to drop this other side of
> the rope, go down the correct strand and then pull down the rope,
> leaving behind the maillons.
>
> - Fofo
>
>

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lmao!!!! sorry...
<---- blushes...

Sherppa



List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:07:02 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
CC: [email protected]



Notice the ;-) at the end.
Rod

-----Original Message-----

From: Antonio AA 

Sent: Apr 8, 2010 3:58 PM

To: "[email protected]" 

Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?








OoNow I am confused.As I know, there was no such accident. This pic is just one 
of many more where some guys are showing their last trip looking for caves in a 
long canyon in Mexico.

Sherppa



List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:20:14 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?



That's the way these guys started out, except that instead of one climber 
rappelling on the double rope, two climbers of equal weight rappelled 
side-by-side, with one climber rappelling on each side of the double rope. This 
would have worked, except that one of the climbers was using a carabiner wrap 
rappel with the rope wrapped around the gate side of his carabiner. This caused 
the gate to open temporarily during the rappel, allowing the carabiner to 
disconnect from the climber's harness. As this unfortunate climber fell towards 
the pool below, the now unbalanced rope pulled through the anchor maillon until 
the 'biner wrap carabiner from the falling climber became jammed in the anchor 
maillon. This is the carabiner you see in the picture, with rope tangled around 
the carabiner gate. The climber in the picture remained attached to his side of 
the doubled rope, but experienced a rapid decent until the 'biner wrap 'biner 
banged into the anchor maillon. If you think this technique scares you, just 
think of how the guy with the 'biner wrap must have felt!
Rod ;-)

-----Original Message-----

From: Antonio AA 

Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:15 PM

To: "[email protected]" 

Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?








This technique scares me. I prefer to rappel with double rope (the middle of 
the rope passes thru the maillon). Then, when landed, pull it down.

Sherppa



> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:35:00 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
> 
> Hey, David.
> 
> It's rigged for a pull-down. The Petzl Attache is only used as a stopper 
> so that it doesn't go through the maillon, and the pull-down rope is to 
> a side (coming towards the bottom of the picture), to prevent 
> confusions. The last one down would make sure to drop this other side of 
> the rope, go down the correct strand and then pull down the rope, 
> leaving behind the maillons.
> 
>       - Fofo
> 
> 
                                          
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From: Antonio AA [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 3:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?

lmao!!!! sorry...

<---- blushes...
Sherppa



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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:07:02 -0400
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Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
CC: [email protected]

Notice the ;-) at the end.

Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio AA
Sent: Apr 8, 2010 3:58 PM
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
Oo
Now I am confused.
As I know, there was no such accident. This pic is just one of many more where 
some guys are showing their last trip looking for caves in a long canyon in 
Mexico.
Sherppa



________________________________
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 15:20:14 -0400
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?

That's the way these guys started out, except that instead of one climber 
rappelling on the double rope, two climbers of equal weight rappelled 
side-by-side, with one climber rappelling on each side of the double rope. This 
would have worked, except that one of the climbers was using a carabiner wrap 
rappel with the rope wrapped around the gate side of his carabiner. This caused 
the gate to open temporarily during the rappel, allowing the carabiner to 
disconnect from the climber's harness. As this unfortunate climber fell towards 
the pool below, the now unbalanced rope pulled through the anchor maillon until 
the 'biner wrap carabiner from the falling climber became jammed in the anchor 
maillon. This is the carabiner you see in the picture, with rope tangled around 
the carabiner gate. The climber in the picture remained attached to his side of 
the doubled rope, but experienced a rapid decent until the 'biner wrap 'biner 
banged into the anchor maillon. If you think this technique scares you, just 
think of how the guy with the 'biner wrap must have felt!

Rod
;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio AA
Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:15 PM
To: "[email protected]"
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?

This technique scares me. I prefer to rappel with double rope (the middle of 
the rope passes thru the maillon). Then, when landed, pull it down.
Sherppa




> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:35:00 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a rigging question ?
>
> Hey, David.
>
> It's rigged for a pull-down. The Petzl Attache is only used as a stopper
> so that it doesn't go through the maillon, and the pull-down rope is to
> a side (coming towards the bottom of the picture), to prevent
> confusions. The last one down would make sure to drop this other side of
> the rope, go down the correct strand and then pull down the rope,
> leaving behind the maillons.
>
> - Fofo
>
>
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If you have a keen interest in perusing, reading, and proofreading
ancient issues of The TEXAS CAVER, boy, do I have an offer for you!

 

As you all may be aware, the TSA approved and moved to begin uploading
all back issues of the TC to the TSA website for any and all inquiring
minds to enjoy.

 

Thus far, this is the list of back issues presently available:

 

 

2008 Quarter 4 (PDF) 18.3 MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2008-04.pdf>  

2008 Quarter 3 (PDF) 14.9 MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2008-03.pdf>  

2008 Quarter 2 (PDF) 12.8 MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2008-02.pdf>  

2008 Quarter 1 (PDF) 16.0 MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2008-01.pdf>  

 

2007 Quarter 4 (PDF) 37.4 MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2007-04.pdf>  

2007 Quarter 3 (PDF) 35.0 MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2007-03.pdf>  

2007 Quarter 2 (PDF) 30.4 MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2007-02.pdf>  

2007 Quarter 1 (PDF) 10.2 MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2007-01.pdf>  

 

2006 Quarter 4 (PDF) 12.2MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2006-04.pdf>  

 

2005 Quarter 2 (PDF) 6.9MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2005-02.pdf>  

 

2004 October (PDF) 3MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2004-10.pdf>  

 

2002 March (PDF) 1MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2002-03.pdf>  

 

2001 December (PDF) 1MB
<http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TexasCaver/TexasCaver_2001-12.pdf>  

 

 

2009 and the 1st Quarter 2010 issues are also available to all PAID
members.

 

 

Butch Fralia, George Veni, and I have begun rounding up back issues of
the TC (George has the COMPLETE set).

 

Logan McNatt was kind enough to place in my greedy little hands at the
Spring Convention a CD containing back issues from 1955 and 1974 thru
1999.

 

Cool!

 

This is where YOU come in.

 

 

What I'm looking to do and what I need YOU for is help in forming a
Laundry Crew to go thru all of these back issues and to scrub clean any
references to cave locations, maps to them, and landowner info.

 

Just the straight skinny on the caves themselves, but, not on how to get
to them or who owns them.

 

This is the least we can do for all of the gracious landowners and
ranchers who have been kind enough to allow cavers access over the
years.

 

 

If this is something you'd like to help out with, please contact me.

 

 

Also:

 

 

If you are a past editor and have the years 1956 thru 1973 in PDF format
(yeah, right!) or 2000 thru 2007 in PDF format (hopefully, so!), please
let me know.

 

This would eliminate a lot of work for George and make uploading these
back issues a lot easier.

 

 

 

Give me a shout if you'd like to help out, all the while peering into
the dark and dim past of Texas caving and enjoying the exploits of some
early trailblazing cavers you may have heard of and early explorations
of some caves you may have already enjoyed!

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

Mark Alman

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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