texascavers Digest 20 Dec 2009 04:46:52 -0000 Issue 930
Topics (messages 13124 through 13134):
Re: archiving your cave data
13124 by: Mark Alman
13125 by: Charles Goldsmith
13127 by: Louise Power
hard drives
13126 by: Sam Young
13131 by: jack witz
Mexico Green Angels
13128 by: Preston Forsythe
13129 by: Jon
13130 by: Don Arburn
13132 by: Louise Power
Re: Why join TSA?
13133 by: Ron Miller
13134 by: Mark Alman
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Because they crash, too, Rod.
I have a $150 100GB ext. HD paperweight with a bunch of data that is lost now.
Mark
________________________________
From: Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>
To: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 3:23:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data
Why archive data on CDs or DVDs at all? Why not use external hard disk drives
instead?
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No matter what type of archive you use, be it tape, external drive,
online storage, offline internal drives or cd/DVD, it's imperative to
have redundancy and test your backups routinely. Any large company
does this. Also, never store both copies in the same location. A
house fire is terrible, but you wouldn't want to lose both copies at
once.
I'm in the process of setting up a mirrored raid setup over a VPN, and
while my offsite storage isn't ideal for a true disaster due to
distance, I feel I'm reasonably protected. You ideally want 50 miles
separation for disaster recovery site and I'm at about 15
Anyway, you can easily mix and match media, copy on an external drive
and also on an internal. Or external and DVD
A backup is only as good as your last tested restore. Nothing is
worse than trying to restore some lost data and your backup drive
fails, or the cd isn't readable. It's important to test your backups
routinely.
Charles
On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Mark Alman <texascav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Because they crash, too, Rod.
I have a $150 100GB ext. HD paperweight with a bunch of data that is
lost now.
Mark
From: Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>
To: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 3:23:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data
Why archive data on CDs or DVDs at all? Why not use external hard
disk drives instead?
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Depending on how much your data is worth to you, I can personally recommend
http://www.drivesaversdatarecovery.com/
In 2006, my hard drive at work crashed taking all my data with it. Our IT guy
pulled the disk and sent it to Drive Savers Data Recovery. Their estimate was
between $428-1985. It came in around $1400-1700. But it was worth it. We got
back four DVDs within a week with all my data on it. Check out their site.
They can retrieve almost anything.
For those of you who are Federal Employees, they have a GSA contract.
Louise
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:28:47 -0800
From: texascav...@yahoo.com
To: rod.g...@ieee.org; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data
Because they crash, too, Rod.
I have a $150 100GB ext. HD paperweight with a bunch of data that is lost now.
Mark
From: Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>
To: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 3:23:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data
Why archive data on CDs or DVDs at all? Why not use external hard disk drives
instead?
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There are services which can retrieve data from blown hard drives but you will
not get all of it back and it costs $$$. ........ Sam
Because they crash, too, Rod.
I have a $150 100GB ext. HD paperweight with a bunch of data that is lost now.
Mark
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Hey Everyone,
I bought an external years ago as a backup but never used it often enough.
After my new computer chunked on me I started using it. To add sillieness I
have one extra step.
I keep all of my old computers. So far I haven't had one get a devestating
virus or hardware problem. So I have 2 home computers (Dinosaur and Newus
Toyus) and 1 external hardrive (brick) plus laptops. About once a month I
backup Newus Toyus to my brick. Then about a week after that I plug the brick
into the Dinosaur. I click copy paste and walk away for a few hours. Rinse
and repeat.
So I've got 3 complete copies on 3 seperate hardrives. I backup the laptops
less frequently. Ya I'll loose about 1-2 weeks worth of work, but that's
better than crossing my fingers at the computer shop. This is also free (er
after I bought the brick) than online backup websites. I also don't like my
info floating on the net.
Later all
Z
--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Sam Young <youn...@centurytel.net> wrote:
From: Sam Young <youn...@centurytel.net>
Subject: [Texascavers] hard drives
To: "texas cavers" <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:01 PM
There are services which can retrieve data from blown hard drives but you will
not get all of it back and it costs $$$. ........ Sam
Because they crash, too, Rod.
I have a $150 100GB ext. HD paperweight with a bunch of data that is lost now.
Mark
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Here is some interesting Mexico Travel Information we have not used, but just
in case I am putting a copy in my glove box.
-------------------------------------
GREEN ANGELS (Angeles Verdes)
http://www.sectur.gob.mx/wb/sectur/sect_9453_angeles_verdes
The Green Angels
The unthinkable happens: your car is kaput. Luckily for you, there's a slender
shoulder that you manage to pull onto before the thing conks out. Cars whiz by
on the highway, but no one stops. Or maybe several helpful citizens stop, but
can't help, because your fuel pump is busted.
Being stuck on the side of the road is stressful in any situation, but
especially in a foreign country where language may be a barrier. Since the
1970s, the federally funded Angeles Verdes, or Green Angels, have proved a
godsend to motorists in distress from Tijuana to Ticul.
In the old days you had to wait for the blessed sight of a dark green Angeles
Verdes truck to trundle into view, but today salvation for those who run out of
gas, can't fix a flat, or blow a water pump is just a phone call away.
How to Get Help
Dial 078 from any cell phone or TELMEX phone booth. Your call will be routed to
the Green Angels' Mexico City dispatch office. Agents there will radio the
appropriate unit throughout the country. Green Angels don't service every
little backwater, however they do patrol all federal and toll highways.
The tow trucks typically make a full-circuit trip of each highway per day, in
addition to responding to emergency calls. Agents typically work from 8AM to
8PM. On major holidays like semana santa (Easter week) and on puentes (long
weekends) they are available 24 hours a day.
Drivers carry gasoline and motor oil as well as spare tires and parts for minor
but important repairs. Trained in CPR, they can administer first aid in the
event of an accident or medical emergency. While their main function is to help
motorists in distress, they also carry maps and brochures of their regions.
Most drivers speak excellent to reasonably good English and are knowledgeable
about road conditions and tolls in their areas.
To Pay or Not to Pay?
There's no charge for these services, but motorists must pay for gasoline, oil
and parts. There's conflicting information in guide books and on the web about
whether drivers can accept tips. Mr. Gómez assured me that tips are permitted,
and the Green Angels are happy to accept them. He reiterated, however, that the
service is free, and that tips are entirely optional.
In 2007 the nation's fleet of Green Angel trucks numbered 1,800; additional
vehicles are expected in March 2008. Motorists can easily recognize the white
with green stripes and lettering trucks with government logos painted on the
side. Drivers wear a green uniform and carry identification with their name and
photo around the neck.
-----------------------------------
Have a safe trip,
Preston
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Woooo Preston!
I hadn't thought about the Green Angels in some 15-years or so.
Maybe beacuse I haven't actully seen them on the hwys for 20-years or so.
--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico Green Angels
To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 5:29 PM
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Here is some interesting Mexico Travel Information we have not used, but just
in case I am putting a copy in my glove box.
-------------------------------------
GREEN ANGELS (Angeles Verdes)
http://www.sectur.gob.mx/wb/sectur/sect_9453_angeles_verdes
The Green Angels
The unthinkable happens: your car is kaput. Luckily for you, there’s a slender
shoulder that you manage to pull onto before the thing conks out. Cars whiz by
on the highway, but no one stops. Or maybe several helpful citizens stop, but
can’t help, because your fuel pump is busted.
Being stuck on the side of the road is stressful in any situation, but
especially in a foreign country where language may be a barrier. Since the
1970s, the federally funded Angeles Verdes, or Green Angels, have proved a
godsend to motorists in distress from Tijuana to Ticul.
In the old days you had to wait for the blessed sight of a dark green Angeles
Verdes truck to trundle into view, but today salvation for those who run out of
gas, can’t fix a flat, or blow a water pump is just a phone call away.
How to Get Help
Dial 078 from any cell phone or TELMEX phone booth. Your call will be routed to
the Green Angels’ Mexico City dispatch office. Agents there will radio the
appropriate unit throughout the country. Green Angels don’t service every
little backwater, however they do patrol all federal and toll highways.
The tow trucks typically make a full-circuit trip of each highway per day, in
addition to responding to emergency calls. Agents typically work from 8AM to
8PM. On major holidays like semana santa (Easter week) and on puentes (long
weekends) they are available 24 hours a day.
Drivers carry gasoline and motor oil as well as spare tires and parts for minor
but important repairs. Trained in CPR, they can administer first aid in the
event of an accident or medical emergency. While their main function is to help
motorists in distress, they also carry maps and brochures of their regions.
Most drivers speak excellent to reasonably good English and are knowledgeable
about road conditions and tolls in their areas.
To Pay or Not to Pay?
There’s no charge for these services, but motorists must pay for gasoline, oil
and parts. There’s conflicting information in guide books and on the web about
whether drivers can accept tips. Mr. Gómez assured me that tips are permitted,
and the Green Angels are happy to accept them. He reiterated, however, that the
service is free, and that tips are entirely optional.
In 2007 the nation’s fleet of Green Angel trucks numbered 1,800; additional
vehicles are expected in March 2008. Motorists can easily recognize the white
with green stripes and lettering trucks with government logos painted on the
side. Drivers wear a green uniform and carry identification with their name and
photo around the neck.
-----------------------------------
Have a safe trip,
Preston
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I've seen them the last two trips to Monterrey & Saltillo, especially
that long empty section between Laredo and Monterrey. Last trip they
were seen helping someone on the way down, and waiting under a bridge
on the way back.
Don's iPhone.
On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Jon <cavefa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Woooo Preston!
I hadn't thought about the Green Angels in some 15-years or so.
Maybe beacuse I haven't actully seen them on the hwys for 20-years
or so.
--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico Green Angels
To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 5:29 PM
Here is some interesting Mexico Travel Information we have not used,
but just in case I am putting a copy in my glove box.
-------------------------------------
GREEN ANGELS (Angeles Verdes)
http://www.sectur.gob.mx/wb/sectur/sect_9453_angeles_verdes
The Green Angels
The unthinkable happens: your car is kaput. Luckily for you, there’s
a slender shoulder that you manage to pull onto before the thing co
nks out. Cars whiz by on the highway, but no one stops. Or maybe sev
eral helpful citizens stop, but can’t help, because your fuel pump i
s busted.
Being stuck on the side of the road is stressful in any situation,
but especially in a foreign country where language may be a barrier.
Since the 1970s, the federally funded Angeles Verdes, or Green
Angels, have proved a godsend to motorists in distress from Tijuana
to Ticul.
In the old days you had to wait for the blessed sight of a dark
green Angeles Verdes truck to trundle into view, but today salvation
for those who run out of gas, can’t fix a flat, or blow a water pump
is just a phone call away.
How to Get Help
Dial 078 from any cell phone or TELMEX phone booth. Your call will
be routed to the Green Angels’ Mexico City dispatch office. Agents t
here will radio the appropriate unit throughout the country. Green A
ngels don’t service every little backwater, however they do patrol a
ll federal and toll highways.
The tow trucks typically make a full-circuit trip of each highway
per day, in addition to responding to emergency calls. Agents
typically work from 8AM to 8PM. On major holidays like semana santa
(Easter week) and on puentes (long weekends) they are available 24
hours a day.
Drivers carry gasoline and motor oil as well as spare tires and
parts for minor but important repairs. Trained in CPR, they can
administer first aid in the event of an accident or medical
emergency. While their main function is to help motorists in
distress, they also carry maps and brochures of their regions. Most
drivers speak excellent to reasonably good English and are
knowledgeable about road conditions and tolls in their areas.
To Pay or Not to Pay?
There’s no charge for these services, but motorists must pay for gas
oline, oil and parts. There’s conflicting information in guide books
and on the web about whether drivers can accept tips. Mr. Gómez ass
ured me that tips are permitted, and the Green Angels are happy to a
ccept them. He reiterated, however, that the service is free, and th
at tips are entirely optional.
In 2007 the nation’s fleet of Green Angel trucks numbered 1,800; add
itional vehicles are expected in March 2008. Motorists can easily re
cognize the white with green stripes and lettering trucks with gover
nment logos painted on the side. Drivers wear a green uniform and ca
rry identification with their name and photo around the neck.
-----------------------------------
Have a safe trip,
Preston
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--- Begin Message ---
We used to see them patrolling the roads a lot back in the 60s. It's been a
long time since I thought about them, too. Good to know they're still around.
L
From: donarb...@mac.com
To: cavefa...@yahoo.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:54:09 -0600
CC: texascavers@texascavers.com; pns_...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexico Green Angels
I've seen them the last two trips to Monterrey & Saltillo, especially that long
empty section between Laredo and Monterrey. Last trip they were seen helping
someone on the way down, and waiting under a bridge on the way back.
Don's iPhone.
On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Jon <cavefa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Woooo Preston!
I hadn't thought about the Green Angels in some 15-years or so.
Maybe beacuse I haven't actully seen them on the hwys for 20-years or so.
--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico Green Angels
To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 5:29 PM
Here is some interesting Mexico Travel Information we have not used, but just
in case I am putting a copy in my glove box.
-------------------------------------
GREEN ANGELS (Angeles Verdes)
http://www.sectur.gob.mx/wb/sectur/sect_9453_angeles_verdes
The Green Angels
The unthinkable happens: your car is kaput. Luckily for you, there’s a slender
shoulder that you manage to pull onto before the thing conks out. Cars whiz by
on the highway, but no one stops. Or maybe several helpful citizens stop, but
can’t help, because your fuel pump is busted.
Being stuck on the side of the road is stressful in any situation, but
especially in a foreign country where language may be a barrier. Since the
1970s, the federally funded Angeles Verdes, or Green Angels, have proved a
godsend to motorists in distress from Tijuana to Ticul.
In the old days you had to wait for the blessed sight of a dark green Angeles
Verdes truck to trundle into view, but today salvation for those who run out of
gas, can’t fix a flat, or blow a water pump is just a phone call away.
How to Get Help
Dial 078 from any cell phone or TELMEX phone booth. Your call will be routed to
the Green Angels’ Mexico City dispatch office. Agents there will radio the
appropriate unit throughout the country. Green Angels don’t service every
little backwater, however they do patrol all federal and toll highways.
The tow trucks typically make a full-circuit trip of each highway per day, in
addition to responding to emergency calls. Agents typically work from 8AM to
8PM. On major holidays like semana santa (Easter week) and on puentes (long
weekends) they are available 24 hours a day.
Drivers carry gasoline and motor oil as well as spare tires and parts for minor
but important repairs. Trained in CPR, they can administer first aid in the
event of an accident or medical emergency. While their main function is to help
motorists in distress, they also carry maps and brochures of their regions.
Most drivers speak excellent to reasonably good English and are knowledgeable
about road conditions and tolls in their areas.
To Pay or Not to Pay?
There’s no charge for these services, but motorists must pay for gasoline, oil
and parts. There’s conflicting information in guide books and on the web about
whether drivers can accept tips. Mr. Gómez assured me that tips are permitted,
and the Green Angels are happy to accept them. He reiterated, however, that the
service is free, and that tips are entirely optional.
In 2007 the nation’s fleet of Green Angel trucks numbered 1,800; additional
vehicles are expected in March 2008. Motorists can easily recognize the white
with green stripes and lettering trucks with government logos painted on the
side. Drivers wear a green uniform and carry identification with their name and
photo around the neck.
-----------------------------------
Have a safe trip,
Preston
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I enjoyed the recent printed copy of the Texas Caver. Good work!
Ron
________________________________
From: "mark.al...@l-3com.com" <mark.al...@l-3com.com>
To: speleoste...@tx.rr.com; Linda Palit <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net>; Gill Edigar
<gi...@att.net>
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 7:10:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?
Re: [<SPAN id="misspell-4" class="mark" >Texascavers</SPAN>] Why join <SPAN
id="misspell-5" class="mark" >TSA</SPAN>?
Thanks, Bill, for your long time membership, service, and support!
Thanks, too, for mentioning the Honey Creek refurbish. I had forgotten about
that.
Have a safe trip to Mexico and FelizNavidad!
Mark
________________________________
From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com [mailto:speleoste...@tx.rr.com]
Sent: Fri 12/18/2009 6:29 AM
To: Linda Palit; Gill Edigar
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com; Alman, Mark @ IRP
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?
I'll keep it short. I'm a TSA member because:
* Caving is a life-long interest of mine, so I support my statewide
organization
* I am a member of the NSS, and the TSA is a region of the NSS
* I like it that funds are available through the TSA for worthwhile projects
such as:
- Punkin and Deep Caves
- Monetary support of the ICS
- A grant to refurbish the Honey Creek Cave tower to make it safe again
* I like receiving the Texas Caver. There aren't many caver newsletters other
than it in Texas.
Bill
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Thanks, Ron!
(No applause, just send money!) 8^)>
Mark
________________________________
From: Ron Miller <rons...@yahoo.com>
To: mark.al...@l-3com.com
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 10:14:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?
I enjoyed the recent printed copy of the Texas Caver. Good work!
Ron
________________________________
From: "mark.al...@l-3com.com" <mark.al...@l-3com.com>
To: speleoste...@tx.rr.com; Linda Palit <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net>; Gill Edigar
<gi...@att.net>
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 7:10:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?
Thanks, Bill, for your long time membership, service, and support!
Thanks, too, for mentioning the Honey Creek refurbish. I had forgotten about
that.
Have a safe trip to Mexico and Feliz Navidad!
Mark
________________________________
From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com [mailto:speleoste...@tx.rr.com]
Sent: Fri 12/18/2009 6:29 AM
To: Linda Palit; Gill Edigar
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com; Alman, Mark @ IRP
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?
I'll keep it short. I'm a TSA member because:
* Caving is a life-long interest of mine, so I support my statewide organization
* I am a member of the NSS, and the TSA is a region of the NSS
* I like it that funds are available through the TSA for worthwhile projects
such as:
- Punkin and Deep Caves
- Monetary support of the ICS
- A grant to refurbish the Honey Creek Cave tower to make it safe again
* I like receiving the Texas Caver. There aren't many caver newsletters other
than it in Texas.
Bill
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