Compass measurement locations even 30 feet apart are plenty good enough to spot problems with your particular compass. You should do foresights & back-sights both N-S and E-W and use 3 posts, which could be set to magnetic (easier) or true N (more difficult). What matters is to record in every dated survey book the difference between compass & clino instruments used on the project. We used such a test station at Flint Ridge for years to monitor bent needles in Bruntons, and just plain "off" alignments for Suuntos. Most modern cave survey programs simply use the survey date and Lat-Long. to apply a built-in Mag. N. correction to the data. This is particularly useful if the cave is large (like Mammoth) and the surveys are made over a long period of time (ditto).

At one 15+ year survey project in NW Arkansas we carefully installed three 3" PVC pipes in the ground, being careful to place them out of the way from the expedition headquarters, and away from some metal fencing. Alas, within the first year the owner (NPS) started mowing once a year around the cabin and later around a potential heliport. You guessed it! They "mowed" two of the three white posts :-(

 - Pete

On Dec 30, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:

If the North Pole moves, where will Santa Claus live? In a travel trailer?

Regarding survey instruments. I have long held--though never acted upon--the idea that we should set up True North calibration posts at popular caving project sites such as CBSP & Punkin/Deep & PEP, etc. That would require 2 posts set up by high accuracy survey to True North (via Polaris shot) and at a set distance apart, dead level--say 100 feet or 30 meters--& clearly marked on a brass or aluminum plate attached thereon. Survey instruments could be calibrated to True North (their magnetic variation and local declination then could be known), clinometers could be calibrated to dead level, and survey tapes could be compared to a known distance and an adjustment made for their dimensional changes as they age. Most, but not all, good survey instruments have a serial number stamped into them and that number should be recorded in the heading information for each survey in the survey book, along with the instrument's inherent error.

Whether such an effort to know an instrument's error is warranted is worth questioning. Most surveys seem to go perfectly well without that information since closure errors seem to be handled by the computer-- however far from their true location the passages may appear on the map--to satisfy most people's needs. It is accepted by most cavers that such a survey is not accurate enough to use for putting a well down into a cave passage. Better methods are available for that.
--Ediger

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Geary Schindel <gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org > wrote:
Folks,


I’ve also seen data that indicates the magnetic field over the southern ocean near Australia has greatly decreased or disappeared.


There is certainly evidence that magnetic pole reversals occur in the geologic record and that we’re overdue for the next one (if I remember correctly).


Placing the date of the survey, along with the magnetic north and true north arrows on your cave map should allow folks in the future to orient you cave maps in relation to topography easier. Depending upon the use of the map, and the extent of the cave, it may or may not be a significant issue. Does raise an interesting issue for long term cave projects and whether they do compass corrections to true north based on survey date.


On a more serious note, a magnetic reversal may throw off my sense of direction. I’ve been able to use the weak magnetic field set up by the planet, along with the steel plate in my head, to help with my ability to tell north in the field (assuming I’m not near any large metal bodies, electrical lines, or the internal voices aren’t too loud). This is particularly acute when caving as my sense of direction always tells me the way out of the cave is usually parallel to the passage I’m in rather than needing to move through one of the walls. Anyway, I know I should have spent the extra money for stainless steel rather than pig iron. LOL


G



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