texascavers Digest 28 Jan 2010 07:05:46 -0000 Issue 955
Topics (messages 13422 through 13441):
And as for those aliens....
13422 by: Corky
a key chain
13423 by: David
breccia
13424 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
13428 by: Cave Without a Name
13432 by: George Veni
13435 by: Louise Power
What is it that we fear here?
13425 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
13434 by: Charles Goldsmith
13436 by: wesley s
13438 by: Corky
National Cave and Karst Research Institute Job Announcement!
13426 by: George Veni
Re: Brad Pitt buys house with cave.
13427 by: Diana Tomchick
Not too many speakers still needed for 2010 TSA Spring Convention
13429 by: Diana Tomchick
paging Peter Sprouse
13430 by: Diana Tomchick
Punkin trip full
13431 by: Jim Kennedy
13433 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
Re: Landslide in San Antonio
13437 by: Fritz Holt
13439 by: Brian Riordan
Feb 9 NOVA on PBS, Extreme Cave Diving
13440 by: Diana Tomchick
a caver's web-site
13441 by: David
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On a lighter note......
Alien Life Could Already Be on Earth, Say Scientists
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/26/alien-life-earth-say-scientists/?test=latestnews
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http://www.zazzle.com/texas_caver_keychain-146906151691470073
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Mystery rocks? Alien footprints? Pardon me, but it looks like plain old
breccia to me. See:
_http://geology.about.com/od/rocks/ig/sedrockindex/rocpicbreccia.htm_
(http://geology.about.com/od/rocks/ig/sedrockindex/rocpicbreccia.htm)
Louise
No question about it being breccia, I just want to know how it happened.
How could such a cake mix slurry of broken chunks get embedded in
conventional limestone then get spread in a thin flat layer across a wide
area? The
relative hardness could well be an unrelated issue.
Sleazel
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That same sort of breccia is on the CWAN property. I doubt that it's the KT
boundry but it is a mystery. If any of you geologists want a sample I'll show
you where it is. I'm pretty sure it's in the upper part of the Lower Glenrose
formation.
Mike Burrell
Manager
Cave Without a Name
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From: bmorgan...@aol.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:42 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] breccia
Mystery rocks? Alien footprints? Pardon me, but it looks like plain old
breccia to me. See:
http://geology.about.com/od/rocks/ig/sedrockindex/rocpicbreccia.htm
Louise
No question about it being breccia, I just want to know how it happened. How
could such a cake mix slurry of broken chunks get embedded in conventional
limestone then get spread in a thin flat layer across a wide area? The relative
hardness could well be an unrelated issue.
Sleazel
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The breccia I've seen on the surface in central Texas, including at CWAN, is
usually one of three types:
1) Cemented collapse of a old cave that is now exposed at the surface.
These are scattered randomly throughout the Texas karst.
2) Breccia along a fault, where chunks of rock broke off as the rock
mass on either side moved against the other side, and then the chunks were
later cemented together. A nice example of such breccia is along the Haby
Crossing Fault behind the volunteer office at Government Canyon State
Natural Area.
3) Colluvial breccia, where gravity pulled down part of hillside or
cliff and was later cemented together, is much less common and more widely
scattered in Texas.
None of these breccias match the broad, extensive, deposits Bruce describes
for the Yucatan. I don't recall seeing those when I was there and would want
to see them in the field before speculating on their origin.
George
From: Cave Without a Name [mailto:c...@boernenet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:53 AM
To: bmorgan...@aol.com
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] breccia
That same sort of breccia is on the CWAN property. I doubt that it's the KT
boundry but it is a mystery. If any of you geologists want a sample I'll
show you where it is. I'm pretty sure it's in the upper part of the Lower
Glenrose formation.
Mike Burrell
Manager
Cave Without a Name
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From: bmorgan...@aol.com
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:42 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] breccia
Mystery rocks? Alien footprints? Pardon me, but it looks like plain old
breccia to me. See:
http://geology.about.com/od/rocks/ig/sedrockindex/rocpicbreccia.htm
Louise
No question about it being breccia, I just want to know how it happened. How
could such a cake mix slurry of broken chunks get embedded in conventional
limestone then get spread in a thin flat layer across a wide area? The
relative hardness could well be an unrelated issue.
Sleazel
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There is a type of breccia called "impact breccia." For a better explanation
than I can give, see the following Wiki article on the Alamo bolide impact in
Nevada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamo_bolide_impact
or, better yet, Google "impact breccia."
Louise
From: bmorgan...@aol.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:42:29 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] breccia
Mystery rocks? Alien footprints? Pardon me, but it looks like plain old breccia
to me. See:
http://geology.about.com/od/rocks/ig/sedrockindex/rocpicbreccia.htm
Louise
No question about it being breccia, I just want to know how it happened. How
could such a cake mix slurry of broken chunks get embedded in conventional
limestone then get spread in a thin flat layer across a wide area? The relative
hardness could well be an unrelated issue.
Sleazel
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Rusticaver:
How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the
shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not gargled
with the holy water?
It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of
false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his
many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest?
I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for
these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of
faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from outer
space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed
umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of floating
karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats. Their
religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant.
Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is
Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name!
Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth,
Sleazeweazel
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Not just you SW, but everyone, lets leave the religions out of this,
caving rarely relates to it and should be moved to the Off-Topic list.
Charles
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, <bmorgan...@aol.com> wrote:
> Rusticaver:
>
> How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the
> shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not
> gargled with the holy water?
>
> It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of
> false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his
> many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest?
>
> I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for
> these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of
> faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from
> outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed
> umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of
> floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats.
> Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence
> irrelevant.
>
> Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is
> Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name!
>
> Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth,
>
> Sleazeweazel
>
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Well done sir! Mediation at it's finest. The question now is, will these unruly
opinionated cavers (myself especially) heed your suggestion to leave well
enough alone? We shall see...
Wes~
> From: wo...@justfamily.org
> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:52:41 -0600
> To: bmorgan...@aol.com
> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] What is it that we fear here?
>
> Not just you SW, but everyone, lets leave the religions out of this,
> caving rarely relates to it and should be moved to the Off-Topic list.
>
> Charles
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM, <bmorgan...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Rusticaver:
> >
> > How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the
> > shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not
> > gargled with the holy water?
> >
> > It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms of
> > false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl revealed his
> > many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest?
> >
> > I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism, for
> > these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are matters of
> > faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue monkeys from
> > outer space hold communion with other life forms by means of the pigtailed
> > umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own, mostly composed of
> > floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly colored reptilian bats.
> > Their religion may be true too, but it is extraterrestrial and hence
> > irrelevant.
> >
> > Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name is
> > Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name!
> >
> > Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth,
> >
> > Sleazeweazel
> >
>
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Sleaze,
I like the lighter note. Cave softly.
Rusticated
bmorgan...@aol.com wrote:
Rusticaver:
How dare you question my belief in Oztotl? Have I not knelt before the
shrine lo these many times? Have I not sacrificed virgins? Have I not
gargled with the holy water?
It is true that my review of history causes me to fear all other forms
of false religion, including that of the Hebes, but has not Oztotl
revealed his many splendors unto me, his marvels manifest?
I am unjustly accused of the religion of science and environmentalism,
for these are not matters of faith. For those for whom these are
matters of faith I recommend the pantheism of Avatar in which the blue
monkeys from outer space hold communion with other life forms by means
of the pigtailed umbilicus. They live in a world much like our own,
mostly composed of floating karst wherein they ride giant brightly
colored reptilian bats. Their religion may be true too, but it is
extraterrestrial and hence irrelevant.
Here in the subterranean realm there is but one true God and his name
is Oztotl! Hollowed be thy name!
Your most humble servant and seeker of the truth,
Sleazeweazel
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Dear Friends,
The National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) continues to expand
its staff by hiring an Advancement Director to fund raise for NCKRI and
market its programs. I'm sending you this message because of your interest
in caves, karst, and NCKRI. While many of you won't be interested in the job
for yourselves, please forward this note to anyone you think may be
interested. You are also welcome to post it on websites and in newsletters.
The job announcement has recently been posted at
http://www.nmt.edu/images/stories/hr/pdfs/advdirnckri100-007.pdf. The
announcement has also been sent to newspapers and various organizations'
magazines and websites. We plan to accept applications through March 15th,
2009. If you have questions, please direct them to the contact listed on the
website. Caving experience or advanced knowledge of caves and karst, while
certainly welcome and helpful, are not required for this job. The
Advancement Director will play a vital role in generating funds and support
to continue building NCKRI's staff and programs, which includes assisting
NCKRI's friends and partners whenever possible.
George
***********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
1400 Commerce Dr.
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
001-575-887-5517 (office)
001-210-863-5919 (mobile)
001-413-383-2276 (fax)
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Take a look at this web site, which shows a current photo of both the
"man cave" (more like a stone cellar) and of Brad, and you are likely
to change your mind about him being sexy. That ugly, scraggly goatee
is proof enough to me that Angelina kicked him out of the house, she
has better taste than that.
http://tiny.cc/qDJUj
Diana
On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Mallory Mayeux wrote:
If I ever needed proof that Brad Pitt was sexy in every conceivable
way....now I have it.
-Mallory
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:20 PM, <tbsam...@verizon.net> wrote:
According to the tabloids.. he's bought a bachelor pad with a cave.
T.
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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As of Wednesday morning, Bill Steele and I have secured ten volunteers
to provide presentations for the Saturday sessions at the TSA Spring
Convention. If you wish to give a presentation I would suggest that
you contact us as soon as possible.
Typical cave-related topics could include (but are not limited to):
Archaeology
Biology
Diving
Exploration
Geology/Hydrology
Long-term caving projects
History
Photography
Restoration
Safety
Survey/GIS
Techniques
If you wish to speak, please contact both of us at:
speleoste...@tx.rr.com
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
While Ellie is the coordinator of the event, we are responsible for
scheduling the speakers. There are a limited number of time slots
available for presentations, so you must contact us (rather than
Ellie) if you wish to be assured of a chance to speak on Saturday.
Thanks,
Diana
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Join the festivities at this year's TSA Spring Convention in Cedar
Park/Austin at the TCC Headquarters on March 26-28!
Events include informational talks, Map & Photo Salons, speleovendors,
TSA & TCMA meetings, and so much more. Check out the web site at
http://www.cavetexas.org/events/TSASC/tsasc2010.html
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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Peter,
I sent a message to you about a week ago asking if you wanted to give
a presentation at the TSA Convention. Please contact me,
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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The remaining slots went quickly, but if you have a burning desire to
join us on this trip, I can put you on a waiting list and let you know
if someone drops out. Contact offlist please.
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I have a burning desire:
FOR TRIP REPORTS!
Please be sure to write something up and take a LOT of photos.
I'll be sure to use them in the next TC. (The 1st quarter issue is full
and almost ready for the printer).
Have a safe and productive trip!
Carry on. That is all.
Mark
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From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:30 AM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Punkin trip full
The remaining slots went quickly, but if you have a burning desire to
join us on this trip, I can put you on a waiting list and let you know
if someone drops out. Contact offlist please.
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I smell law suits.
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From: Tim Stich [mailto:timstic...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:19 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Landslide in San Antonio
>From the comments page on the landslide news story:
"For the past 9 years I have lived a quarter mile away from where this man-made
disaster has occurred, and have watched it unfold with predictability. I can't
believe the developers claim to have "no information on what caused the
problem." You don't have to be an engineer to figure this one out! These new
homes were built on the top of a steep landfill hill, not solid ground.
An initial retaining wall failed earlier in the construction, and instead of
realizing or admitting that this was a disaster waiting to happen, the
developers put a band-aid on it and pressed ahead with this ill-fated project.
It was obvious at the time that a thin retaining wall of stone and mortar was
not going to hold back a mountain of landfill dirt.
The responsibility for this mess lies squarely at the feet of the developers
and whatever idiots in the city are responsible for enforcing safe building
codes. Greed clearly trumped safety and good judgment on this one. As bad as I
feel for the homeowners in the immediate area, your best bet will be to cut and
run. Get a good lawyer and recoup your investment, then leave and don't look
back. The cheap dirt mountain on which your houses was built will never be
stable or safe.
Rob"
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I've taken some geotechnical engineering classes and labs, and I've seen
some very crazy and counter-intuitive things happen. Just cause it's dirt
doesn't mean it's simple. Engineers don't exist to solve old problems, but
to solve new ones- and new ones crop up in every discipline from civil to
nano. I'd reserve judgement and blame until a more refined verdict is in...
-B
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>wrote:
> I smell law suits.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Tim Stich [mailto:timstic...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:19 PM
> *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Landslide in San Antonio
>
>
>
> From the comments page on the landslide news story:
>
>
> "For the past 9 years I have lived a quarter mile away from where this
> man-made disaster has occurred, and have watched it unfold with
> predictability. I can't believe the developers claim to have "no information
> on what caused the problem." You don't have to be an engineer to figure this
> one out! These new homes were built on the top of a steep landfill hill, not
> solid ground.
>
> An initial retaining wall failed earlier in the construction, and instead
> of realizing or admitting that this was a disaster waiting to happen, the
> developers put a band-aid on it and pressed ahead with this ill-fated
> project. It was obvious at the time that a thin retaining wall of stone and
> mortar was not going to hold back a mountain of landfill dirt.
>
> The responsibility for this mess lies squarely at the feet of the
> developers and whatever idiots in the city are responsible for enforcing
> safe building codes. Greed clearly trumped safety and good judgment on this
> one. As bad as I feel for the homeowners in the immediate area, your best
> bet will be to cut and run. Get a good lawyer and recoup your investment,
> then leave and don't look back. The cheap dirt mountain on which your houses
> was built will never be stable or safe.
>
> Rob"
>
--
Brian Riordan
979-218-8009 (Mobile)
riordan.br...@gmail.com
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7:00 PM Central Standard Time on Tuesday, Feb. 9th on your local PBS
station
NOVA
"Extreme Cave Diving"
Earth's climate history is explored via underwater caves. A team of
intrepid scientists journey into one of Earth's most dangerous and
beautiful underwater frontiers.
Diana
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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Below is a link to a caver's web-site.
It gives some good ideas for people wanting to make
their own web-site about their caving adventures.
He mixes music with the photos to give a multi-media
experience. Some of th photos are pretty good.
http://www.jonjasper.com/
If you click on his equalizer graph, you can replay the
song, and change the volume, and see the name of the
song, or select a different song.
I liked his photos of Nacimiento del Rio Choy and the nearby
Hotel Tanninul.
I also like how his slideshow kinds of tells a story with
narrated photos.
Click on some of his 360 degree photos. That is cool.
They are listed under Panoramas.
It would take hours to view his entire web-site. That is
a lot of pictorial information to consume in one setting.
Based on the part I saw, I would have to give him 5 stars.
He obviously put a lot of work into this web-site.
I enjoyed looking at it.
David Locklear
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