texascavers Digest 5 Feb 2010 04:07:11 -0000 Issue 963
Topics (messages 13546 through 13564):
Re: Extreme Diving on NOVA
13546 by: germanyj.aol.com
Re: leaf-cutter ants in Mexico
13547 by: JSSchneider1
Re: For those of you still thinking about caving with carbide...
13548 by: Mark Minton
13549 by: Don Arburn
13550 by: Don Arburn
TCMA in Wikipedia!
13551 by: Don Arburn
Re: Bamberger Ranch on NPR
13552 by: Fritz Holt
Bing Bird's Eye - aerial map related
13553 by: David
Minas Viejas
13554 by: Gill Edigar
13555 by: Mark Minton
13558 by: Gill Edigar
CV S.U.C.K.S. Digitally?
13556 by: Travis Scott
13557 by: Travis Scott
2010 Guano Gathering
13559 by: Jim Kennedy
13560 by: Andy Zenker
A good Rope it's worth the investment.
13561 by: Matt Turner
13562 by: Fofo
FS - Bat houses - 2 fer
13563 by: wa5pok.peoplepc.com
13564 by: Ryan Monjaras
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7 p.m. in Houston on Channel 8.
Local cable description: Dr. Kenny Broad dives into blue holes, underwater
caves formed during the last ice age.
COOL!
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From: Don Arburn <donarb...@mac.com>
To: TSA Cavers <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 12:10 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Extreme Diving on NOVA
Tuesday night, February 9 is a show on Extreme Diving on NOVA.
RISKING IT ALL FOR SCIENCE
What drives scientists to delve into flooded caves where they face rock falls,
nitrogen narcosis, even drowning?
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I would sure like to know if guano from an insectivore works! I like the
idea of going after the leafcutters garden. I am going to try growing some Jack
Beans and putting the leaves on the mounds - supposed to kill the leafcutter's
fungus.
--- On Mon, 2/1/10, JSSchneider1 <jsschneid...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
From: JSSchneider1 <jsschneid...@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Fw: Fw: [Texascavers] leaf-cutter ants in Mexico
To: "Edie Ymail Clark" <ediecl...@ymail.com>
Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 10:22 PM
Edie,
Another reply from your leaf-cutter ant notes
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From: Cook, Brett
To: JSSchneider1 ; texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: Fw: [Texascavers] leaf-cutter ants in Mexico
I’m with you. They stop being fascinating when they strip plants that
are important to you.
The only thing I’ve found that stops them is Tanglefoot. They check it
out, find out it’s too gooey to cross, and move on. It works, but it takes a
lot of time to apply and re-apply to each plant.
I finally decided that if they’re going to attack my garden, I’m going
after theirs.
I’ve been looking for a good fungicide I can spray my plants or the
ground with that will deter them, but no luck so far. Bait doesn’t work, and
poison on the mound only makes them look for an alternate route. I even tried a
systemic on my plants called Imidacloprid. It kept the aphids away, but not the
leaf-cutters.
This year, I’m going to try fertilizing with guano from an insectivore.
Bat guano is supposed to have anti-fungal properties, and being an insectivore
means there’s a possibility of spreading an insect-specific pathogen that will
affect the ants.
I’ve read that some folks have had success with collecting the wastes
from the ants themselves and scattering that around their plants. I have yet to
find an ant waste pile.
Brett
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From: JSSchneider1 [mailto:jsschneid...@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:36 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: Fw: Fw: [Texascavers] leaf-cutter ants in Mexico
I used to think they were fascinating until they began to cart
off most of my garden seedlings. A & M's website has some useful information
on Texas Leafcutters. The only thing I have found that works is to follow their
trail back to the mound, and either use Amdro Ant Block ( not just regular
Amdro), or Viper ( permethrin- which is a synthetic pyrethrin). Viper works
right away, and Amdro Ant Block takes a couple of weeks to work.You have to
keep at it. The label says you can dust your plants with Viper, but I don't
put anything directly on my vegetable garden plants, just on the ant mound.
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, JSSchneider1 <jsschneid...@peoplepc.com>
wrote:
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From: Gill Edigar
To: Denise P
Cc: TexasCavers
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] leaf-cutter ants in Mexico
I am pretty sure--like 99%--that we had them in South Texas when
I was a kid. I remember well watching them but don't recall a specific
location--meaning, probably, that they were a common enough occurrence that
they didn't invoke any great interest worthy of remembering.
There were some ants in South Texas that made underground nests
which humped up above ground (sorta like fireant mounds except 10x bigger) and
which created large subsurface voids. On more than one occasion we were unlucky
enough to drive over these mounds hidden by tall pasture grass and the front
tire of the pick-up fell into them and the truck got stuck and we had to get
towed out. It is my recollection that these were a type of leaf-cutter ant
which, by the way, don't (or didn't) sting. Those events DID create specific
memories.
--Ediger
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Denise P <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I have heard a number of gardeners in the central Texas area
complaining about them decimating their crops. I hear they are very hard to
control.
-d
> From: bmixon...@austin.rr.com
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:23:50 -0600
> Subject: [Texascavers] leaf-cutter ants in Mexico
>
> A few months ago there was a thread about leaf-cutter ants.
Here's
> something new about them from the Yucatan . Such ants can
usually be
> seen busily at work in Bustamante Canyon . I don't recall
seeing them
> in Texas , but I wouldn't be surprised if some were found in
the
> valley. -- Mixon
>
> > JIM CONRAD’S NATURALIST NEWSLETTER
> > Issued from Hacienda Chichén beside the Maya ruin of
> > Chichén Itzá in the central Yucatán, MÉXICO
> >
> > January 17, 2010
> **********
> > RETURN OF THE LEAFCUTTER ANTS
> > The owners of Hacienda Chichen are justly proud of their pro-
> > environment policies, which includes using as few
> > chemicals as possible. The other day a worker not yet
> > clear about the policy poisoned a large leafcutter
> > nest because the ants had begun defoliating a Tropical
> > Almond tree in the parking lot. As soon as we saw what
> > had been done we made every effort to scoop all the
> > poison and contaminated soil into plastic bags and
> > dispose of the bags properly.
> >
> > Before the poisoning attempt, every day I'd seen the
> > ants carrying bits of herbage back to their nest.
> > However, after the poisoning for two weeks not a
> > single ant was seen at the nest. I felt sure that the
> > whole colony had been wiped out. It had been a colony
> > as large as the one we saw last year at Yokdzenot. You
> > still can read about that big nest and see it at
> > http://www.backyardnature.net/yucatan/ant-lfcu.htm
> >
> > Wednesday morning, there were ants again. Moreover,
> > not only had the colony resumed its earlier foraging
> > habits, but also they seemed to have redoubled their
> > efforts, for now many more ants than before were
> > carrying cut-out leaf sections and they were moving
> > faster. Anthropomorphically, they looked exactly as if
> > they were trying to make up for lost time! You can see
> > several on the trunk of a Gumbo-Limbo -- which after
> > two days they'd defoliated nearly completely -- at
> > http://www.backyardnature.net/n/10/100117lc.jpg
> >
> > That picture was made about 30 yards or meters from
> > their nest and every inch of the trail between there
> > and the nest was just as cluttered and bustling with
> > leaf-carrying ants as in the picture.
> >
> > Of course I'm relieved that the nest seems to have
> > survived. Sometimes visitors say that for them
> > watching the ants is as fascinating as visiting the
> > ruins! Also the experience has reminded me how like a
> > single living organism an ant colony is. The colony
> > became sick, stopped functioning, but then one day
> > finally burst from home looking as healthy as ever,
> > trying to make up for lost time. In fact, they're out
> > there as I type this, a long, long line of them,
> > gradually defoliating a hibiscus.
> ***********
> > Best wishes to all Newsletter Readers.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Subscribe AND unsubscribe to this Newsletter at
> > http://www.backyardnature.net/news/natnat.php
>
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Pete Lindsley said:
>Here are a couple of URL's from Ed's video suggestion:
>http://carbidbus.nl/
>http://vuurwerkweb.nl/
>Perhaps Mark or gillerger would care to comment on some historical
things involving beaches and garbage bags...
The Dutch obviously take their carbide cannons and fireworks
very seriously! :-) Ediger will have to relate the story of the
acetylene gas bag. That was before my time in Texas. But I will add
that compressing acetylene in any fashion is very dangerous. It can
explode spontaneously even without a source of ignition. That's why
acetylene tanks used for welding actually contain a solution of
acetylene in acetone or some other liquid. The pure gas would be too
unstable under pressure.
Mark
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These cylinders contain Acetylene under pressure, are painted black, ( small
"B" and "MC" tanks can be gray, silver or red ) made of steel and have cylinder
valves. They range in size from 10 to almost 400 cuft capacity. The cylinders
contain a porous filler material which is wetted with acetone that allows the
Acetylene to safely be contained in the cylinder at 250 psig. Always use an
Acetylene cylinder in the up right position so you don't draw any of the
acetone out of the tank. Only open the cylinder valve 1 to 1 1/2 turns, leaving
the valve wrench on the valve in the event it has to be shut off quickly.
Acetylene should never be used at a pressure that exceeds 15 psig as it becomes
highly unstable which, depending on the condition, could cause it to decompose
and explode.
On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
> Pete Lindsley said:
>
> >Here are a couple of URL's from Ed's video suggestion:
> >http://carbidbus.nl/
> >http://vuurwerkweb.nl/
>
> >Perhaps Mark or gillerger would care to comment on some historical things
> >involving beaches and garbage bags...
>
> The Dutch obviously take their carbide cannons and fireworks very
> seriously! :-) Ediger will have to relate the story of the acetylene gas
> bag. That was before my time in Texas. But I will add that compressing
> acetylene in any fashion is very dangerous. It can explode spontaneously
> even without a source of ignition. That's why acetylene tanks used for
> welding actually contain a solution of acetylene in acetone or some other
> liquid. The pure gas would be too unstable under pressure.
>
> Mark
>
> You may reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Acetylene’s flammability is its essential value to the welding industry. But it
also creates safe handling concerns. To stabilize the acetylene and reduce the
potential for “flashback” ignition of the tank, acetylene cylinders are fitted
with a solid binding medium containing as much as six gallons of acetone
(C3H6O) , which controls decomposition by reducing dissolved oxygen levels.
This solvent is considered crucial to the safe operation of acetylene cylinders.
Over time and multiple re-fillings, a given acetylene tank cylinder will
eventually fail to pass requalification and must be properly disposed of. In
the past, this has meant that the metal shell, the residual acetylene gas and
acetone are all either sent to a landfill or stockpiled on the owners’ site.
This latter option raises risks of leakage and soil leaching, human injury and
other HSE issues for the site owner. And the drawbacks to landfilling include
the material waste of burying large amounts of recyclable aluminum or steel and
the risks of leakage, environmental damage and subsequent liability.
Acetone is a common solvent used in a wide range of household and industrial
products from fingernail polish remover to detergents. Acetone is considered a
VOC and
according to the National Institutes of Health,1 breathing moderate-to-high
levels of acetone for short periods of time can cause nose, throat, lung, and
eye irritation. It can also cause intoxication, headaches, fatigue, stupor,
light-headedness, dizziness, confusion, increased
pulse rate, nausea, vomiting, and shortening of the menstrual cycle in women.
Human exposure to acetone can occur via contaminated drinking water or food and
by living near a landfill site or other facility that releases acetone
emissions.
On Feb 3, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Don Arburn wrote:
> These cylinders contain Acetylene under pressure, are painted black, ( small
> "B" and "MC" tanks can be gray, silver or red ) made of steel and have
> cylinder valves. They range in size from 10 to almost 400 cuft capacity. The
> cylinders contain a porous filler material which is wetted with acetone that
> allows the Acetylene to safely be contained in the cylinder at 250 psig.
> Always use an Acetylene cylinder in the up right position so you don't draw
> any of the acetone out of the tank. Only open the cylinder valve 1 to 1 1/2
> turns, leaving the valve wrench on the valve in the event it has to be shut
> off quickly. Acetylene should never be used at a pressure that exceeds 15
> psig as it becomes highly unstable which, depending on the condition, could
> cause it to decompose and explode.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCMA
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Geary,
The rumor is true but isn't that what spelunkers do/did? I need to go on the
next trip in as I was later told by someone that they saw parts of this ladder
near the north wall. This ladder is historic and if it is there some pieces
need to be brought out. I am sure that the Sinkhole Society in Rock Springs
would like to exhibit a section of it in their office. This was by far the best
ladder ever put into the sinkhole and the one that I climbed in the summer of
1955. It is the same one shown in Jimmy Walker's full page picture in Carl's 50
Years of Texas Caving. Jimmy recently sent me a copy of his picture depicting
the ladder and two or three cavers. He wrote that the back of his original
photograph said it was taken in 1952. Would 50 gallons of gasoline be an
inducement?
F
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From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:36 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Bamberger Ranch on NPR
Fritz,
Is that what makes a 20 something year old man down climb the ladders at Devils
Sinkhole in the 1950's. I heard they even jumped the last 6 feet because the
rungs were rusted off.
Know anything about that.
G
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From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:20 PM
To: 'Don Arburn'
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Bamberger Ranch on NPR
Invincibility.
F.
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From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:07 PM
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bamberger Ranch on NPR
Tuesday night, February 9 is a show on Extreme Diving in NOVA.
RISKING IT ALL FOR SCIENCE
What drives scientists to delve into flooded caves where they face rock falls,
nitrogen narcosis, even drowning?
On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:03 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
> On Tuesday night's NPR news show All Things Considered there was a
> nice piece on the Bamberger Ranch and all of the conservation work being done
> there. Cavers will know it best as home of the chiroptorium artificial bat
> cave. You can read and listen at
> <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123068681>.
>
> Mark Minton
>
> You may reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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This has to do with aerial photos, and somewhat about a picnic I am planning.
Bear with me for a moment, as I have never used
Pictometry Bird's Eye before a few minutes ago.
Click on the link below:
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2
Next, fill in the blanks where it ask for directions.
A ) 1900 Happy Hollow Road, Brehnam, TX
B ) 2600 Happy Hollow Road, Brehnam, TX
Next, click below in the box "Get Directions."
Next, in the map, hold the mouse over the label that
says "Aerial," and click on "Bird's Eye."
Wait till the map image refreshes.
Now try to close the window to the left that has the
stuff about the directions, by clicking on a little white
"<" symbol on the middle of the page near the bottom
There should be an annoying blue line across the screen, and several
annoying boxes. Ignore all that.
Click zoom in.
The picture shows an oblique aerial view of the campground that I have
rented.
If anyone knows an easier way to e-mail these bird's eye views, please
let me know.
For more info about the picnic, e-mail me privately.
David Locklear
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I just got this off of FB this a.m. in a message from Jennifer Clayton:
>>>>-------------fwd------------------->
>By the way, we found out yesterday that Minas Viejas has been sold...yep,
to a politico (hopefully not a narcotraficante!) Guess it's not open to us
anymore.
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Hey Nico,
Know anything about this? Is it still going to be open as
an ecotourism venue?
>By the way, we found out yesterday that Minas Viejas has been
sold...yep, to a politico (hopefully not a narcotraficante!) Guess
it's not open to us anymore.
You may reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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To all,
Jennifer Clayton was a Valley Caver back in the '60s & '70s--nominally from
Edinburg at the time, now associated with the Wimberley Metropolitan Area.
Was married to Jon Clayton back then. They spent a lot of time, then and
subsequently, in the Bustamante area, including Minas Viejas. I had a FB
posting from her this a.m. which included a statement that the ranch had
been sold. I sent off a note to Nico and he just finished texting me that he
didn't know anything about it but would check. He said that an adjacent
ranch had been sold a few years ago by his granddaddy--who is (was) the
owner of MV, as well.
--Ediger
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Cavers,
I didn't realize that my quick, lack of pre-thought, email to pass the
SUCKer newsletters to a more useful home would stir up so much
interest. Allan Cobb has offered to host them for the world to see if
someone was willing to scan them (if that is ok with whomever the powers
that be are). Either way, with so many people interested in a copy,
even digitally, I figured I would see if anyone is willing and able to
scan them before passing them onto their new home. If so, please let me
know. The don't necessarily need to be posted for the world to see, but
at least it would make it easier for all the people that want to read
them to get a copy. Let me know, thanks!
Travis
www.oztotl.com/travis
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Ignore my last idiotic post, thanks...
Travis Scott wrote:
Cavers,
I didn't realize that my quick, lack of pre-thought, email to pass the
SUCKer newsletters to a more useful home would stir up so much
interest. Allan Cobb has offered to host them for the world to see if
someone was willing to scan them (if that is ok with whomever the
powers that be are). Either way, with so many people interested in a
copy, even digitally, I figured I would see if anyone is willing and
able to scan them before passing them onto their new home. If so,
please let me know. The don't necessarily need to be posted for the
world to see, but at least it would make it easier for all the people
that want to read them to get a copy. Let me know, thanks!
Travis
www.oztotl.com/travis
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Friends,
It is with deepest regrets that I must announce that there will be NO
Guano Gathering this year. I hope that we can hold the event again next
winter, and that you all will return and enthusiastically support the
chain gang. I always have a lot of fun at the Guano Gatherings, and
enjoy seeing so many old and new friends working together so smoothly
for the benefit of all attending. But this year there are just too
many other things happening, with some work travel for me and several
caving projects that are scheduled during the too-few weekends
available. If anyone needs a little guano for their plants, please
contact me offline and I'll be happy to part with some of my small
stockpile. In the meantime, I encourage you all to get out and get
underground.
Battily yours,
-- Jim "Crash" Kennedy, GG Host and Organizer
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I still have 30 buckets of bat guano from last year that I never used. The
drought killed everything this summer I was going to use it for. It's
taking up too much space and I need to get rid of it. Please, take some.
I'm in South Austin. Email me offline if interested.
Andy Zenker
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Jim Kennedy <jkenn...@batcon.org> wrote:
> Friends,
>
> It is with deepest regrets that I must announce that there will be NO Guano
> Gathering this year. I hope that we can hold the event again next winter,
> and that you all will return and enthusiastically support the chain gang. I
> always have a lot of fun at the Guano Gatherings, and enjoy seeing so many
> old and new friends working together so smoothly for the benefit of all
> attending. But this year there are just too many other things happening,
> with some work travel for me and several caving projects that are scheduled
> during the too-few weekends available. If anyone needs a little guano for
> their
> plants, please contact me offline and I’ll be happy to part with some of
> my small stockpile. In the meantime, I encourage you all to get out and get
> underground.
>
> Battily yours,
>
> -- Jim “Crash” Kennedy, GG Host and Organizer******
>
>
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujFCIHbwEVY&feature=player_embedded
This shows well why buying a good rope and maintaining it is essential.
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
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That was excellent! The best thing is that this was some sort of safety
video...
- Fofo
Matt Turner wrote, on 4/2/10 12:22:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujFCIHbwEVY&feature=player_embedded
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujFCIHbwEVY&feature=player_embedded>
This shows well why buying a good rope and maintaining it is essential.
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts
can do that."- Norman Vincent Peale
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Hi boys and girls!
While doing a fill-er-up I saw a sign at this establishment that read
"Bat Houses - buy one get one free"
I drove across the street to the company and chatted with a very pretty
lady and she showed me the very nice very well built bat houses. She
also had the data from BCI. Contact Bretney at www.cedarside.com
They are located in Old Town Sping ... she said they would ship.
~F~
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the website is actually www.cedercide.com heres the link-
http://www.cedarcidestore.com/GROUNDSPESTCONTROL.html
> From: wa5...@peoplepc.com
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:11:08 -0600
> CC: b.r...@cedarcide.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] FS - Bat houses - 2 fer
>
> Hi boys and girls!
>
> While doing a fill-er-up I saw a sign at this establishment that read
>
> "Bat Houses - buy one get one free"
>
> I drove across the street to the company and chatted with a very pretty
> lady and she showed me the very nice very well built bat houses. She
> also had the data from BCI. Contact Bretney at www.cedarside.com
> They are located in Old Town Sping ... she said they would ship.
>
> ~F~
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