texascavers Digest 19 Aug 2009 13:41:23 -0000 Issue 828
Topics (messages 11750 through 11772):
It's Mark Alman's birthday today - August 17 (Monday).
11750 by: Lyndon Tiu
11751 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
11753 by: Fritz Holt
caver in the political news ??
11752 by: David
Re: Evelynn & Joe Mitchell - The baby is here
11754 by: Fritz Holt
11756 by: Lyndon Tiu
Re: Ezell's Cave vandalized :
11755 by: germanyj.aol.com
book review: Carlsbad art
11757 by: Mixon Bill
Rescue in La Joya cave, Mexico. Finished
11758 by: Antonio AA
11759 by: David
Re: Bat house collapses in Florida
11760 by: Gill Edigar
11761 by: Jim Kennedy
11763 by: Gill Edigar
11764 by: Don Cooper
11765 by: muviduderyan.hotmail.com
11767 by: Louise Power
11768 by: Stefan Creaser
Ride to SA tomorrow
11762 by: Gill Edigar
Yaz
11766 by: Gill Edigar
UT Grotto meeting  Aug 19, 2009 - TOMORROW NIGHT
11769 by: Gary Franklin
Happy Bday Nico!
11770 by: Charles Goldsmith
11772 by: Robert Tait
OT - walkie-talkies
11771 by: David
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It's Mark Alman's birthday today, August 17 (Monday).
He's at half a century, older than most caves.
Send him something.
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Money will work.
Small denominations with non-sequential serial numbers are best.
Mark
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From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Mon 8/17/2009 6:09 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] It's Mark Alman's birthday today - August 17 (Monday).
It's Mark Alman's birthday today, August 17 (Monday).
He's at half a century, older than most caves.
Send him something.
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Lyndon Tiu
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As in hundreds? I will send you the bird, and it isn't a parakeet. HAPPY
BIRTHDAY and congratulations, you may now join AARP.
Fritz
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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:14 AM
To: Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] It's Mark Alman's birthday today - August 17
(Monday).
Money will work.
Small denominations with non-sequential serial numbers are best.
Mark
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From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Mon 8/17/2009 6:09 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] It's Mark Alman's birthday today - August 17 (Monday).
It's Mark Alman's birthday today, August 17 (Monday).
He's at half a century, older than most caves.
Send him something.
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Lyndon Tiu
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Here is a quote from a politcal candidate in an interview running for Dallas
County Judge:
"I love to dive in caves. There is just something about being in a
place very few people have ever been.
It's not uncommon for us to squeeze through small crevices as we
explore the caves"
Wade Emmert is the candidate's name.
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Tell us her name.
Fritz
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From: Robert B [mailto:robert.c.b1...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:36 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Evelynn & Joe Mitchell - The baby is here
>From Facebook
Evelynn has delivered a beautiful baby girl at 8:10 this evening
It appears as if Mom, Baby and Dad are all doing fine.
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Fritz Holt wrote:
Tell us her name.
Kayla Anne Mitchell
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Lyndon Tiu
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DNA from cigarette butts is always the answer to catching the bad guys in the
CSI shows....
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From: jerryat...@aol.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 3:30 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Ezell's Cave vandalized :
It’s the pits
$1,000 reward for cave vandals, thieves
By Anita
Miller
News Editor
San Marcos — A reward of $1,000 has been
offered for information leading to the conviction of anyone involved in
vandalism and theft at a protected cave site in South San Marcos.
Jon
Cradit of the Edwards Aquifer Authority said sometime around July 22, several
people illegally entered the site, which is protected habitat of a federally
endangered species.
The offenders cut through a pipe gate to get inside,
then stole or damaged thousands of dollars worth of scientific equipment,
scrawled graffiti on cave walls and left behind trash and cigarette
butts.
Cradit said the damaged equipment “is important to water quality,
aquifer monitoring and endangered species.”
Because of the sensitive
nature of the site, Cradit would not reveal its exact location but said he has
already spoken with, and established rapport with, neighbors in the
area.
“Neighbors actually did see some guys” in the area days prior to
when Cradit believes the break-in took place, he said, adding that the
neighbors
confronted the strangers.
“There were several different types
of very
expensive water quality instruments” damaged, he said. Additionally, a “job
box”
containing electrical power equipment and battery pack was
smashed.
Because the site is a protected habitat of an endangered
species, Cradit said the federal Department of the Interior was notified of the
crime.
San Marcos Police are investigating. Anyone with any information
is being asked to contact Cradit at (210) 477-8523 or e-mail j...@tcmacaves.org.
http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/local/local_story_227194505.html
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"Visions Underground: Carlsbad Caverns through the Artist's Eye." Lois
Manno. Rio Grande Books, no place; 2009. ISBN 978-1-890689-95-7. 8 by
10 inches, 177 pages, softbound. $19.99.
The majority of the art in this book is in fact photography,
although I suppose some old hand-tinted postcard photos can be
considered partly painted. I don't think any of the actual paintings
of scenes in Carlsbad Cavern (called Carlsbad Caverns throughout) will
ever be of any interest except in connection with the cave, but many
of the photographs are nice. Some of the best were taken either
outdoors or in other caves in the national park, especially
Lechuguilla. Paintings and color photographs are of course printed in
color. A tremendous plus is the first publication of a collection of
black-and-white photographs taken by Ansel Adams, who is said to have
found working in the cave very difficult. Given Adams's reputation for
outdoor photography, I wasn't surprised to find that my favorite among
them here is a surface shot of a park building, but one photo of the
Big Room is very nice. The author has arranged things pretty much
chronologically, from the 1920s to today's cave photographers, and
there is extensive explanatory text.
I can't speak to the fidelity of the reproduction of the
paintings, but most of the photographs are well reproduced, though
there isn't a really solid black anywhere in the book. The major
disappointment is the reproduction across a two-page spread of the
famous 2400-flashbulb 1952 color photograph of the Big Room by Tex
Helm. When I was paging through the book, I immediately recognized
that it must have been made by scanning an old, very faded print. When
I read the book, I was astonished to see the claim that the colors had
been restored using Photoshop. No they weren't.--Bill Mixon
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The rescue team started working at 6.30am. There was no rain coming up so the
crew had safety conditions to work. The body recovery ended at 1300hrs.
Deriging team recovered all the gear at 1500hrs. At this time, all the ppl from
the rescue team is safe in home.
I have no more accident details cuz I am not in the rescue area (I am in Cali,
Colombia). Oficial report will be on line soon at: www.espeleorescatemexico.org/
Thanks to all the ppl that was in touch.
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http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/619758.html
According to that article, the deceased caver's name was:
Mauricio Duran Nava, age 27.
I can't speculate on what happened, but based on my visits to 3 river
caves in the area,
a caver needs to have some kind of flotation device, and in many cases
a lightweight flexible,
foam vest is a good idea. You have to be able to disconnect from
your pack easy, if you somehow
get it tangled in something. You need a pack that either is
completely water-tight or one that quickly
drains, otherwise you are carrying a very heavy sack that can drown you easily.
A wet-suit will help you float, but in some of those caves a wet-suit
is just too hot, as you are walking for hundreds of meters in knee
deep water.
And you have to watch the weather, as you are entering the cave, not
the day or 2 before when you
are leaving the house. Having portable radar gadget is a good idea,
but you will most likely need a gadget that uses cell-phone ( meaning
wi-fi not much good in remote areas ) and you will need a cell tower
in the vicinity of your camp or at least along the drive to the cave.
It is a good idea to practice canyoneering techniques above ground in
the light before trying
them underground in the dark. But that is kind of hard to do if
you live far from a canyon with a stream
in it.
River caving is my favorite kind of caving. But it is obvious that
additional precautions need to be taken.
An experienced guide familiar with a cave, could probably take
newbies. But the average caver going into a
river cave should try to have some friends along who have some caving
experience.
I highly recommend that everybody visit the cave Chonta someday.
That is a great trip.
http://www.cancaver.ca/int/mexico/zotz/others/chonta1998.htm
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From: Kathi Ireland Emery <kemery...@embarqmail.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Subject: Bat house collapses
To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu
I wonder did any of them have to go to the bat emergency room?
http://news.ufl.edu/2009/08/17/uf-bat-house-collapse/
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No, but at least 100 of them had to go to the bat morgue.
From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Gill Edigar
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:26 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Bat house collapses in Florida
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From: Kathi Ireland Emery <kemery...@embarqmail.com>
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Date: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Subject: Bat house collapses
To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu
I wonder did any of them have to go to the bat emergency room?
http://news.ufl.edu/2009/08/17/uf-bat-house-collapse/
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RIP
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Jim Kennedy <jkenn...@batcon.org> wrote:
> No, but at least 100 of them had to go to the bat morgue.
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> *From:* bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Gill Edigar
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:26 AM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Fwd: Bat house collapses in Florida
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> From: *Kathi Ireland Emery* <kemery...@embarqmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM
> Subject: Bat house collapses
> To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu
>
> I wonder did any of them have to go to the bat emergency room?
>
> http://news.ufl.edu/2009/08/17/uf-bat-house-collapse/
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(Little Bat Pieces...)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> wrote:
> RIP
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> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Jim Kennedy <jkenn...@batcon.org> wrote:
>
>> No, but at least 100 of them had to go to the bat morgue.
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>> *From:* bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] *On Behalf
>> Of *Gill Edigar
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:26 AM
>> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
>> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Fwd: Bat house collapses in Florida
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bury em in (vampire) bat coffins
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Article said: "Thousands of bats left homeless..."
Look for them pushing little bat shopping carts around with all their little
bat belongings in them--whatever belongings a bat has, that is.
Louise
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:24:32 -0500
From: wavyca...@gmail.com
To: gi...@att.net
CC: jkenn...@batcon.org; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Bat house collapses in Florida
(Little Bat Pieces...)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> wrote:
RIP
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Jim Kennedy <jkenn...@batcon.org> wrote:
No, but at least 100 of them had to go to the bat morgue.
From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:26 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Bat house collapses in Florida
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Guano happens...
From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:07 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Bat house collapses in Florida
Article said: "Thousands of bats left homeless..."
Look for them pushing little bat shopping carts around with all their
little bat belongings in them--whatever belongings a bat has, that is.
Louise
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List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:24:32 -0500
From: wavyca...@gmail.com
To: gi...@att.net
CC: jkenn...@batcon.org; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Bat house collapses in Florida
(Little Bat Pieces...)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> wrote:
RIP
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Jim Kennedy <jkenn...@batcon.org>
wrote:
No, but at least 100 of them had to go to the bat morgue.
From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Gill Edigar
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:26 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Bat house collapses in Florida
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Any Auxtin cavers need a ride or want a rider to Carl's funeral tomorrow
morning. Call me 410-303-1177.--Ediger
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Yazmin is in town looking for some work. If you have any day jobs she would
be happy to hear about them. You can call me at 410-303-1177 and I'll pass
it along.--Ediger
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Underground Texas Grotto meeting Aug 19, 2009
www.utgrotto.org
The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.
on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html
The Program will feature the premiere of TEXAS CAVER. Director Joe Datri will
provide introductions about his inspiration for this documentary movie. Come
out for a hot time in Austin Texas and experience all the cool things that we
take for granted on a daily basis.
For information on Underground Texas Grotto activites, please see the website.
All of our information is available through our link including officer contact
info, trips reports, new caver training, event calendar for beginner trips,
vertical rope training, or other cool activities.
Not all of us, but some cavers meet before the meeting about 6:30, where we go
to Sau Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour, then afterward at about 9:30
for the after meeting, we go for burgers and beer at Posse East
www.posseeast.com
The UT Grotto needs you, YES YOU, the caver with photos and a story to share
about your adventures, scientific research, or something else really cool.
Contact Gary to schedule your place in the bright lights to tell your tale.
v...@utgrotto.org
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Hopefully you will have a great day
Charles
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Yo Niko -
It was great to see you and the gang at the posse last week.
Sorry I am not there to celebrate your latest orbit around the sun.
Enjoy!
Rob (from upstate new your, but might move back to michag soon)
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Charles Goldsmith<wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
> Hopefully you will have a great day
>
> Charles
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A few years ago, there was a post about walkie-talkies and how the package
advertising was claiming 8 mile range and others claiming up to 16 mile range.
Since then, the numbers have gradually increased.
Now, similar radios are claiming 36 miles of range on their
product advertising.
Yet the wattage doesn't appear to be different.
Has anything changed ?
Here is an example:
http://www.midlandradio.com/Two-Way-Radio.BS3/GXT1000VP4
The newest walkie-talkies have all sorts of bells and whistles:
Lithium-Ion batteries, powersaving
circuitry, Bluetooth headsets, car chargers, dual-radio chargers,
digital screens, LED flashlight,
digital voice recorder, USB charging port, etc.
Here is an example:
http://www.cobra.com/products/two-way-radios/microtalk-cxr900-30-mile-radio-with-weather
David Locklear
Ref:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service
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