texascavers Digest 26 Aug 2009 12:47:09 -0000 Issue 835
Topics (messages 11855 through 11865):
Re: 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
11855 by: Charles Goldsmith
11856 by: Bill Bentley
11857 by: Bill Bentley
11858 by: Charles Goldsmith
11863 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
11864 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
Re: Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in
wild boar fat)
11859 by: David
11862 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
Re: Climbing Cave Entrances
11860 by: SS
11861 by: Gary McDaniel
2010 TCR
11865 by: Linda Palit
Administrivia:
To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:
<texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com>
To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail:
<texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com>
To post to the list, e-mail:
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- Begin Message ---
:P
Dallas does have its good points...
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Stefan Creaser<stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:
> Wouldn't happen, who'd want to go to Dallas? ;-)
>
> Stefan
>
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Which ones?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org>
To: "Stefan Creaser" <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
Cc: "John P. Brooks" <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>; "Linda Palit"
<lkpa...@sbcglobal.net>; "Andy Zenker" <andyzen...@yahoo.com>; "TexasCavers"
<texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
:P
Dallas does have its good points...
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Stefan Creaser<stefan.crea...@arm.com>
wrote:
Wouldn't happen, who'd want to go to Dallas? ;-)
Stefan
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Says who?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Creaser" <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
To: "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org>; "John P. Brooks"
<jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "Linda Palit" <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net>; "Andy Zenker"
<andyzen...@yahoo.com>; "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:31 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Wouldn't happen, who'd want to go to Dallas? ;-)
Stefan
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:30 PM
To: John P. Brooks
Cc: Linda Palit; Andy Zenker; TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
John, careful, you'll get hooked into organizing next years TCR in the
DFW area :p
Charles
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM, John P.
Brooks<jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Did someone mention Dallas?
On 8/25/09 7:49 PM, "Linda Palit" <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Whoa....
After cave-camping without water except for food for a week life is still
good, and squizzin' still worth it.
But there is not going to be that little water. Besides - options are
limited unless you want to go to Dallas for TCR.
So OKAY - all is good and get it on!
From: Andy Zenker [mailto:andyzen...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Sungglin' with your main squeeze ain't so fun when you got the stank
on... but do-able I suppose
Andy Zenker
Texas Caver
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:
From: Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:38 PM Surely we're cavers and can
wait 'til we get home to clean off? Would save a bunch of hassle/TCR
expense... Stefan From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:36 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
If I remember correctly, there was running water available in the
restrooms, and there was a hose from that building to the cooking area,
supplying water for dishwashing, hosing off, etc. If that's still
available, I don't see any need for a water truck. Is there any reason to
think that that water supply will not be available at TCR this year?
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: cavera...@aol.com
Sent: Aug 24, 2009 12:26 PM
To: gonza...@msu.edu, texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Regarding washing, etc., water at TCR: how much would it cost to have a
non-potable water truck or trailer placed at the site for hosing off,
filling the hot tub, etc. if there is no flowing water at the time of the
event? Is that feasible?
Roger Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Fofo <gonza...@msu.edu>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion G'morning!
Speaking of Tlaloc... Here's a short story that I like very much, from
Paco
Ignacio Taibo II, called "Tlaloc":
http://tinyurl.com/l3tybz
It's in Spanish. I couldn't find a translated version, but here's a Google
translation:
http:/tinyurl.com/lv3xbh
Some things sound funny, but I guess that you can follow most of the story
in English (it translated the name of a town, Los Tecomates, as "the
gourds," and it definitely can't handle swear words and slang, but it's
amusing to read "neither mothers" for "ni madres").
- Fofo
Allan Cobb wrote, on 24/8/09 8:12:
> Oztotl says there will be at least some water. Oztotl has spoken with >
Tlaloc and they are trying to work out a deal.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* wesley s <mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com>
> *To:* a...@oztotl.com <mailto:a...@oztotl.com> ;
> texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 10:06 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
> > Yes but will there be water to swim in? If levels get too low all of
> the flow out of that reservoir will go down that diversion channel
> and not over the dam. Is there a river authority for the Medina?
> Will they let it run dry or do they have to keep the river bed wet
> for the fish and wildlife?
> > Wes~
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:
texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:
texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
information in any medium. Thank you.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
--
IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
information in any medium. Thank you.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Me :)
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Bill Bentley<ca...@caver.net> wrote:
> Which ones?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Goldsmith"
> <wo...@justfamily.org>
> To: "Stefan Creaser" <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> Cc: "John P. Brooks" <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>; "Linda Palit"
> <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net>; "Andy Zenker" <andyzen...@yahoo.com>; "TexasCavers"
> <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
>
>
>> :P
>>
>> Dallas does have its good points...
>>
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Charles is right, John.
Allan IS looking for a replacement.
(How much to NOT nominate you?!).
Mark (always looking for a quick buck)
________________________________
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Tue 8/25/2009 11:29 PM
To: John P. Brooks
Cc: Linda Palit; Andy Zenker; TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
John, careful, you'll get hooked into organizing next years TCR in the
DFW area :p
Charles
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM, John P.
Brooks<jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Did someone mention Dallas?
>
>
> On 8/25/09 7:49 PM, "Linda Palit" <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Whoa....
> After cave-camping without water except for food for a week life is still
> good, and squizzin' still worth it.
>
> But there is not going to be that little water. Besides - options are
> limited unless you want to go to Dallas for TCR.
>
> So OKAY - all is good and get it on!
>
>
>
> From: Andy Zenker [mailto:andyzen...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM
> To: TexasCavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
>
>
> Sungglin' with your main squeeze ain't so fun when you got the stank
> on... but do-able I suppose
>
> Andy Zenker
> Texas Caver
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:
> From: Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
> To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:38 PM Surely we're cavers and can
> wait 'til we get home to clean off? Would save a bunch of hassle/TCR
> expense... Stefan From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:36 PM
> To: TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
>
> If I remember correctly, there was running water available in the
> restrooms, and there was a hose from that building to the cooking area,
> supplying water for dishwashing, hosing off, etc. If that's still
> available, I don't see any need for a water truck. Is there any reason to
> think that that water supply will not be available at TCR this year?
> Rod
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cavera...@aol.com
> Sent: Aug 24, 2009 12:26 PM
> To: gonza...@msu.edu, texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
>
> Regarding washing, etc., water at TCR: how much would it cost to have a
> non-potable water truck or trailer placed at the site for hosing off,
> filling the hot tub, etc. if there is no flowing water at the time of the
> event? Is that feasible?
> Roger Moore
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fofo <gonza...@msu.edu>
> To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19 am
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion G'morning!
>
> Speaking of Tlaloc... Here's a short story that I like very much, from Paco
> Ignacio Taibo II, called "Tlaloc":
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l3tybz
>
> It's in Spanish. I couldn't find a translated version, but here's a Google
> translation:
>
> http:/tinyurl.com/lv3xbh
>
> Some things sound funny, but I guess that you can follow most of the story
> in English (it translated the name of a town, Los Tecomates, as "the
> gourds," and it definitely can't handle swear words and slang, but it's
> amusing to read "neither mothers" for "ni madres").
>
> - Fofo
>
> Allan Cobb wrote, on 24/8/09 8:12:
> > Oztotl says there will be at least some water. Oztotl has spoken with >
> Tlaloc and they are trying to work out a deal.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* wesley s <mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com>
> > *To:* a...@oztotl.com <mailto:a...@oztotl.com> ;
> > texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
> > *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 10:06 AM
> > *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
> > > Yes but will there be water to swim in? If levels get too low all of
> > the flow out of that reservoir will go down that diversion channel
> > and not over the dam. Is there a river authority for the Medina?
> > Will they let it run dry or do they have to keep the river bed wet
> > for the fish and wildlife?
> > > Wes~
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:
> texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
> information in any medium. Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Ah, there are some scenic places in the DFW area to spend a leisurely Saturday
afternoon in the water.
The Trinity comes to mind, as long as you push the bodies aside to clear a spot!
Mark (from Mesquite, just east of Dallas)
________________________________
From: John P. Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tue 8/25/2009 10:48 PM
To: Linda Palit; 'Andy Zenker'; 'TexasCavers'
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Did someone mention Dallas?
On 8/25/09 7:49 PM, "Linda Palit" <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Whoa....
After cave-camping without water except for food for a week life is
still good, and squizzin' still worth it.
But there is not going to be that little water. Besides - options are
limited unless you want to go to Dallas for TCR.
So OKAY - all is good and get it on!
From: Andy Zenker [mailto:andyzen...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Sungglin' with your main squeeze ain't so fun when you got the stank
on... but do-able I suppose
Andy Zenker
Texas Caver
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:
From: Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:38 PM Surely we're cavers and
can wait 'til we get home to clean off? Would save a bunch of hassle/TCR
expense... Stefan From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:36 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
If I remember correctly, there was running water available in the
restrooms, and there was a hose from that building to the cooking area,
supplying water for dishwashing, hosing off, etc. If that's still available, I
don't see any need for a water truck. Is there any reason to think that that
water supply will not be available at TCR this year?
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: cavera...@aol.com
Sent: Aug 24, 2009 12:26 PM
To: gonza...@msu.edu, texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Regarding washing, etc., water at TCR: how much would it cost to have
a non-potable water truck or trailer placed at the site for hosing off,
filling the hot tub, etc. if there is no flowing water at the time of the
event? Is that feasible?
Roger Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Fofo <gonza...@msu.edu>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion G'morning!
Speaking of Tlaloc... Here's a short story that I like very much, from
Paco Ignacio Taibo II, called "Tlaloc":
http://tinyurl.com/l3tybz
It's in Spanish. I couldn't find a translated version, but here's a
Google translation:
http:/tinyurl.com/lv3xbh
Some things sound funny, but I guess that you can follow most of the
story in English (it translated the name of a town, Los Tecomates, as "the
gourds," and it definitely can't handle swear words and slang, but it's
amusing to read "neither mothers" for "ni madres").
- Fofo
Allan Cobb wrote, on 24/8/09 8:12:
> Oztotl says there will be at least some water. Oztotl has spoken
with > Tlaloc and they are trying to work out a deal.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* wesley s <mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com>
<mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com>
> *To:* a...@oztotl.com <mailto:a...@oztotl.com>
<mailto:a...@oztotl.com> ;
> texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 10:06 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
> > Yes but will there be water to swim in? If levels get too low all
of
> the flow out of that reservoir will go down that diversion channel
> and not over the dam. Is there a river authority for the Medina?
> Will they let it run dry or do they have to keep the river bed wet
> for the fish and wildlife?
> > Wes~
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:
texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:
texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments
are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
information in any medium. Thank you.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
It looks like portions of Bear Grylls' videos in caves are available
for free viewing on-line.
Here are 5 of them:
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-mexico-cave.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-cave-claustrophobia.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-cave-escape.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-freezing-cave-swim.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-ice-cave-squeeze.html
Disclaimer: I only watched the 1st video clip
David Locklear
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I bet there are clips of Andrew Zimmer chowing down on bugs, too.
It looks like portions of Bear Grylls' videos in caves are available
for free viewing on-line.
Here are 5 of them:
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-mexico-cave.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-cave-claustrophobia.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-cave-escape.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-freezing-cave-swim.html
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/man-vs-wild-ice-cave-squeeze.html
Disclaimer: I only watched the 1st video clip
David Locklear
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Ahh..but at the end of the day.aren't all those unsightly marks just an
eyesore for us humans occupying this mere blink the geologic eye.. At the
end of the day there really is nothing we can do to harm a cave since it is
not the same place today that it was ten thousand years ago and it will not
be the same place in ten thousand years from now as it is today. In fact,
we may not even be around in ten thousand years. So technically..all this
really boils down to present day human perception of what "Impact" is on a
cave.
I'm sure no indigenous person ever trashed a cave or wrote graffiti on the
walls or left their garbage lying around.. Oh wait.they did. But since it
was over a hundred years ago its considered "Historical"... So wait a
hundred years and those holes and chalk marks will be historical not
unsightly! Amazing how time cures all!
Father Time
_____
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:18 PM
To: 'Cavers Texas'
Subject: [Texascavers] Climbing Cave Entrances
David Locklear said:
I think what I am trying to say is that cavers need to draw the line
somewhere, when it comes to a bunch
of rock-climbers rigging and naming various bolted routes all over the pits.
In parts of the West where lava tubes are common, some had become
favorite spots for rock climbers. Some tubes were heavily bolted with
routes going up across the ceilings of the tubes. The climbers also left
lots of unsightly white marks from the chalk they use on their hands. It
got so bad in some areas that the federal agencies involved with land
management (BLM, USFS) banned the practice. That was several years ago. I
haven't heard much about it recently, so maybe it has become less common.
Mark Minton
You may reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Back in '93 or '94 a close friend (I'll not name him here) and I
"cleaned" the Cub overhang (with the assistance of Joe and Linda's *
extraordinarily* rickety 30ft extension ladder) of all those ugly 'biners
and 'draws and and used the leavings to subsidize my early caving career. I
certainly don't mean to suggest any other young caver undertake the same
endeavor. T'would be a shame for a few climbers to lose some gear as to
allow a young caver to save a few extra dollars for powdered potato fueled
south'rn Mexican expeditions..... A sin I tell 'ya!
-Gary MacDaniels
Da Junk, Coloraddy
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:34 PM, SS <back2scool...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ahh….but at the end of the day…aren’t all those unsightly marks just an
> eyesore for us humans occupying this mere blink the geologic eye.. At the
> end of the day there really is nothing we can do to harm a cave since it is
> not the same place today that it was ten thousand years ago and it will not
> be the same place in ten thousand years from now as it is today. In fact,
> we may not even be around in ten thousand years. So technically….all this
> really boils down to present day human perception of what “Impact” is on a
> cave.
>
>
>
> I’m sure no indigenous person ever trashed a cave or wrote graffiti on the
> walls or left their garbage lying around…. Oh wait…they did. But since it
> was over a hundred years ago its considered “Historical”….. So wait a
> hundred years and those holes and chalk marks will be historical not
> unsightly! Amazing how time cures all!
>
>
>
>
>
> Father Time
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:18 PM
> *To:* 'Cavers Texas'
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Climbing Cave Entrances
>
>
>
> David Locklear said:
>
>
> I think what I am trying to say is that cavers need to draw the line
> somewhere, when it comes to a bunch
> of rock-climbers rigging and naming various bolted routes all over the
> pits.
>
>
> In parts of the West where lava tubes are common, some had become
> favorite spots for rock climbers. Some tubes were heavily bolted with
> routes going up across the ceilings of the tubes. The climbers also left
> lots of unsightly white marks from the chalk they use on their hands. It
> got so bad in some areas that the federal agencies involved with land
> management (BLM, USFS) banned the practice. That was several years ago. I
> haven't heard much about it recently, so maybe it has become less common.
>
> Mark Minton
>
>
> You may reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
>
--
~Gary McDaniel
Grand Junction, CO
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Some beautiful country up that way - you guys could find the spot and put on
the next TCR there! I'll come!
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:18 AM
To: John P. Brooks; Linda Palit; Andy Zenker; TexasCavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Ah, there are some scenic places in the DFW area to spend a leisurely
Saturday afternoon in the water.
The Trinity comes to mind, as long as you push the bodies aside to clear a
spot!
Mark (from Mesquite, just east of Dallas)
_____
From: John P. Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tue 8/25/2009 10:48 PM
To: Linda Palit; 'Andy Zenker'; 'TexasCavers'
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Did someone mention Dallas?
On 8/25/09 7:49 PM, "Linda Palit" <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Whoa..
After cave-camping without water except for food for a week life is still
good, and squizzin' still worth it.
But there is not going to be that little water. Besides - options are
limited unless you want to go to Dallas for TCR.
So OKAY - all is good and get it on!
From: Andy Zenker [mailto:andyzen...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:38 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Sungglin' with your main squeeze ain't so fun when you got the stank
on... but do-able I suppose
Andy Zenker
Texas Caver
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:
From: Stefan Creaser <stefan.crea...@arm.com>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
To: "TexasCavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:38 PM Surely we're cavers and can
wait 'til we get home to clean off? Would save a bunch of hassle/TCR
expense. Stefan From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:36 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
If I remember correctly, there was running water available in the
restrooms, and there was a hose from that building to the cooking area,
supplying water for dishwashing, hosing off, etc. If that's still
available, I don't see any need for a water truck. Is there any reason to
think that that water supply will not be available at TCR this year?
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: cavera...@aol.com
Sent: Aug 24, 2009 12:26 PM
To: gonza...@msu.edu, texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
Regarding washing, etc., water at TCR: how much would it cost to have a
non-potable water truck or trailer placed at the site for hosing off,
filling the hot tub, etc. if there is no flowing water at the time of the
event? Is that feasible?
Roger Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Fofo <gonza...@msu.edu>
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion G'morning!
Speaking of Tlaloc... Here's a short story that I like very much, from Paco
Ignacio Taibo II, called "Tlaloc":
http://tinyurl.com/l3tybz
It's in Spanish. I couldn't find a translated version, but here's a Google
translation:
http:/tinyurl.com/lv3xbh
Some things sound funny, but I guess that you can follow most of the story
in English (it translated the name of a town, Los Tecomates, as "the
gourds," and it definitely can't handle swear words and slang, but it's
amusing to read "neither mothers" for "ni madres").
- Fofo
Allan Cobb wrote, on 24/8/09 8:12:
> Oztotl says there will be at least some water. Oztotl has spoken with >
Tlaloc and they are trying to work out a deal.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* wesley s <mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com>
<mailto:mudmal...@hotmail.com>
> *To:* a...@oztotl.com <mailto:a...@oztotl.com> <mailto:a...@oztotl.com> ;
> texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2009 10:06 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
> > Yes but will there be water to swim in? If levels get too low all of
> the flow out of that reservoir will go down that diversion channel
> and not over the dam. Is there a river authority for the Medina?
> Will they let it run dry or do they have to keep the river bed wet
> for the fish and wildlife?
> > Wes~
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail:
texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail:
texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
information in any medium. Thank you.
--- End Message ---
