texascavers Digest 31 Jul 2009 11:26:52 -0000 Issue 813
Topics (messages 11550 through 11558):
Giant Caves and Nico
11550 by: Preston Forsythe
11553 by: Herman Miller
Re: Valdina Farms Sinkhole
11551 by: Geary Schindel
Mary Kay Manning
11552 by: Fritz Holt
Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
11554 by: mark gee
11555 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
11556 by: Charles Goldsmith
11557 by: Herman Miller
Re: Steele's new Huautla and a question
11558 by: mark gee
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We had a great time at the ICS. It was fun seeing so many old (?) friends. The
Giant Caves of Mexico trip was a great way to get it started. Amy and Pete
really put a lot of effort into preparing for it and it paid off. One thing
that would have made it better would have been if Nico Escamilla could have
joined everybody in Kerrville. I really enjoyed getting to know him and I think
he would have had a good time there. I guess we'll have to plan another trip to
Mexico and see you there, Nico. Not going to drive our truck to Minas Viejas
(sp?) again though!
Preston is at Mammoth Cave for the post Congress trip there. The ICS
continues...
Shari
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Yeah Nico should have definitely been in Kerrville, guess he'll just have to
make the TCR.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> We had a great time at the ICS. It was fun seeing so many old (?)
> friends. The Giant Caves of Mexico trip was a great way to get it started.
> Amy and Pete really put a lot of effort into preparing for it and it paid
> off. One thing that would have made it better would have been if Nico
> Escamilla could have joined everybody in Kerrville. I really enjoyed getting
> to know him and I think he would have had a good time there. I guess we'll
> have to plan another trip to Mexico and see you there, Nico. Not going to
> drive our truck to Minas Viejas (sp?) again though!
> Preston is at Mammoth Cave for the post Congress trip there. The ICS
> continues...
> Shari
>
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Mark and others,
The downstream sump was dived about 20 years ago and it went to some additional
passage with bad air to a second deeper sump of approximately 20 feet. The
passage was about 800 feet long to the second sump which was not entered by
either the divers or the recent explorers. The first sump in the cave is now
open and we can get to what appears to be the second sump that stopped the
divers last time. This is where we put in the downstream radio location.
Landowner access is a problem as the cave is on private property and is being
actively managed as a exotic game ranch.
Today, it looks like we're getting some heavy rain over the cave and the stream
gauges are responding.
Weather is always an issue. Watching a 150 foot deep pit sump out to the top
of the sinkhole is always a humbling experience.
Also, congratulations on the Lew Bicking Award. It is much deserved.
Geary
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@illinoisalumni.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:58 PM
To: Geary Schindel
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: Valdina Farms Sinkhole
Geary,
>The drought has opened up the downstream sump which was only accessible by
>cave diving.
Has Valdina Farms Sinkhole been explored very far beyond the (ex)sump? I see a
map in the 1994 NSS Convention Guidebook, Caves and Karst of Texas, that says
it had not been surveyed, and it didn't say whether the second downstream sump
had been dived or not. There is also an upstream sump. Seems like a good time
to push the cave, while water is so low.
Mark Minton.
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Concerning David's post, does anyone have a new e-mail address for Mary Kay?
Fritz
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I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most
people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , why
dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
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To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com;
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Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I
collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: John P Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>
To: Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>; Frank Binney
<fr...@frankbinney.com>; Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
Cc: Texas Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
LOL......Lesson learned once again....NEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with
Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND....or you WILL end up with a rock in your
pack.
Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING".... Thou shalt not trusteth
thine pack to the Man O Steele...
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> wrote:
>From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>To: "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org>, "Frank Binney"
><fr...@frankbinney.com>
>Cc: "Texas Cavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
>
>
>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one
>of the "fortunate" recipients.
>Fritz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
>To: Frank Binney
>Cc: Texas Cavers
>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>
>And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him?
>
>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
>
>Charles
>
>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney<fr...@frankbinney.com> wrote:
>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
>>
>>> So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
>>>
>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
>>
>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
>> have happened to that pack.
>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher
>> came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob
>> was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a
>> ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it.
>>
>> 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good
>> "friend" Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books
>> I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard
>> book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving
>> book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the
>> campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele
>> graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana
>> and I attended the photo salon.
>> Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in
>> Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I
>> remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they
>> weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits.
>> The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
>> made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
>> apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center
>> wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
>> criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
>> Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
>> transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
>> quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock
>> in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I even
told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden rock in a
pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and didn't look
hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
Bill
---- mark gee <markageetxca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most
> people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , why
> dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
________________________________
From: "germa...@aol.com" <germa...@aol.com>
To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com;
fh...@townandcountryins.com
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I
collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: John P Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>
To: Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>; Frank Binney
<fr...@frankbinney.com>; Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
Cc: Texas Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
LOL......Lesson learned once again....NEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with
Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND....or you WILL end up with a rock in your
pack.
Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING".... Thou shalt not trusteth
thine pack to the Man O Steele...
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> wrote:
>From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>To: "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org>, "Frank Binney"
><fr...@frankbinney.com>
>Cc: "Texas Cavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
>
>
>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one
>of the "fortunate" recipients.
>Fritz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
>To: Frank Binney
>Cc: Texas Cavers
>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>
>And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him?
>
>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
>
>Charles
>
>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney<fr...@frankbinney.com> wrote:
>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
>>
>>> So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
>>>
>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
>>
>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
>> have happened to that pack.
>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher
>> came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob
>> was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a
>> ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it.
>>
>> 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good
>> "friend" Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books
>> I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard
>> book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving
>> book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the
>> campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele
>> graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana
>> and I attended the photo salon.
>> Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in
>> Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I
>> remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they
>> weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits.
>> The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
>> made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
>> apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center
>> wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
>> criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
>> Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
>> transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
>> quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock
>> in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr. Steele.
Charles
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, <speleoste...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I even
> told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden rock in a
> pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and didn't look
> hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ---- mark gee <markageetxca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most
>> people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill ,
>> why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "germa...@aol.com" <germa...@aol.com>
> To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com;
> fh...@townandcountryins.com
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>
>
> He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I
> collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
>
> julia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John P Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>; Frank Binney
> <fr...@frankbinney.com>; Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
> Cc: Texas Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>
>
> LOL......Lesson learned once again....NEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with
> Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND....or you WILL end up with a rock in your
> pack.
>
> Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING".... Thou shalt not
> trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
>>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>>To: "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org>, "Frank Binney"
>><fr...@frankbinney.com>
>>Cc: "Texas Cavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
>>
>>
>>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just
>>one of the "fortunate" recipients.
>>Fritz
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
>>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
>>To: Frank Binney
>>Cc: Texas Cavers
>>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>>
>>And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him?
>>
>>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
>>
>>Charles
>>
>>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney<fr...@frankbinney.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
>>>>
>>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
>>>
>>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
>>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
>>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
>>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
>>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
>>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
>>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
>>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
>>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
>>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
>>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
>>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
>>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
>>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
>>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
>>> have happened to that pack.
>>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher
>>> came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob
>>> was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a
>>> ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it.
>>>
>>> 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good
>>> "friend" Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books
>>> I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard
>>> book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving
>>> book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the
>>> campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele
>>> graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana
>>> and I attended the photo salon.
>>> Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in
>>> Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I
>>> remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they
>>> weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits.
>>> The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
>>> made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
>>> apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center
>>> wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
>>> criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
>>> Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
>>> transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
>>> quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock
>>> in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Kinda glad my cave pack is big enough for a sandwich and not much else.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>wrote:
> I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
>
> I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr.
> Steele.
>
> Charles
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, <speleoste...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> > Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I
> even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden
> rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and
> didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > ---- mark gee <markageetxca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for ,
> most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill
> , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "germa...@aol.com" <germa...@aol.com>
> > To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org;
> fr...@frankbinney.com; fh...@townandcountryins.com
> > Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >
> >
> > He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but
> since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
> >
> > julia
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John P Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org>; Frank Binney <
> fr...@frankbinney.com>; Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
> > Cc: Texas Cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >
> >
> > LOL......Lesson learned once again....NEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE
> with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND....or you WILL end up with a rock in
> your pack.
> >
> > Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING".... Thou shalt not
> trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com>
> >>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >>To: "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org>, "Frank Binney" <
> fr...@frankbinney.com>
> >>Cc: "Texas Cavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> >>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were
> just one of the "fortunate" recipients.
> >>Fritz
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> >>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
> >>To: Frank Binney
> >>Cc: Texas Cavers
> >>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> >>
> >>And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him?
> >>
> >>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
> >>
> >>Charles
> >>
> >>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney<fr...@frankbinney.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
> >>>>
> >>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
> >>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
> >>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
> >>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
> >>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
> >>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
> >>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
> >>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
> >>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
> >>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
> >>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
> >>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
> >>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
> >>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
> >>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
> >>> have happened to that pack.
> >>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher
> >>> came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob
> >>> was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a
> >>> ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with
> it.
> >>>
> >>> 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good
> >>> "friend" Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books
> >>> I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard
> >>> book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving
> >>> book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the
> >>> campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele
> >>> graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana
> >>> and I attended the photo salon.
> >>> Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in
> >>> Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I
> >>> remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they
> >>> weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits.
> >>> The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and
> >>> made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove
> >>> apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center
> >>> wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day,
> >>> criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions.
> >>> Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon
> >>> transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
> >>> quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock
> >>> in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Could it be Marvin Miller
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From: Rick Corbell <rlcorb...@hotmail.com>
To: her...@cavechat.org; texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:14:06 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Steele's new Huautla and a question
Herman,
Truer words were never spoken. Bill is an absolute treasure!!
Question
I have found in my A/V stuff from the convention a cable adapter with the name
Miller written in Sharpie on the side. Looks like this>>
http://compnetusa.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_62&products_id=137
Must be from a Dell laptop. Is this yours?
Rick Corbell
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:28:32 -0500
From: her...@cavechat.org
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Steele's new Huautla
Bill really has and still is a great asset to the world of caving... though my
view may be a bit bias as I am reading Huatla in the middle of a thunderstorm
at 2:00 in the morning.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:48 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Did anyone mention that Bill volunteered to write this book, and
>doesn't make a penny
>off of his hard work? Now that is dedication !
>
>He not only volunteered to take cavers to Honeycreek, and to lead the
>Howdy Party.
>
>Did I leave out anything ?
>
>Imagine the ICS without all of that.
>
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