texascavers Digest 8 Aug 2009 03:18:44 -0000 Issue 821
Topics (messages 11661 through 11677):
Re: Speleolympics Results
11661 by: Bill Stephens
OT - new cameras
11662 by: David
Re: speleo-artist in the news
11663 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
11664 by: J. LaRue Thomas
Re: Only one word...
11665 by: germanyj.aol.com
11666 by: Don Cooper
Another ICS illness?
11667 by: Frank Binney
WNS News: Congress disappoints big time - need to make noise
11668 by: Mark Minton
Re: ICS Wednesday night party
11669 by: Alex Sproul
Re: Drilling into a cave...
11670 by: Graham Schindel
11671 by: David
Now That The ICS Is In Our Rear View Mirror...
11672 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
bat research
11673 by: Mixon Bill
OT - new BLM director
11674 by: David
11675 by: Louise Power
11676 by: David
OT - cave dweller video
11677 by: David
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I have complete Speleolympics results for the Obstacle Course and Ladder Climb.
They will also be posted soon on the NSS Vertical Section website along with
the results of all of the rope climbing contests. I will send a copy to anyone
who sends me a personal email asking for such (not supposed to use attachments
here).
Bill Stephens
--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Schuyler Reidel <rockyrei...@aol.com> wrote:
From: Schuyler Reidel <rockyrei...@aol.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] Speleolympics Results
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:30 AM
Anyone know where to find the speleolympics results?
Thanks,
Rocky
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Your next digital camera just might have a tiny projector integrated
into it, so that
you can project your photos at a cave club meeting onto the wall or a screen.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2351143,00.asp
A creative caver, could re-engineer it to make popcorn:
http://www.instructables.com/id/USB-Popcorn-Maker/
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Ahem. That's the Illinois Valley in Oregon.. Oregon Caves area.
For those of you who missed the art salon,
you can go to Illinois this Friday and see
one of the paintings on display:
http://www.illinois-valley-news.com/archive/2009/08/05/story-artist.html
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Good news--you do not have to travel to Illinois to see Hester's paintings.
The Illinois River Valley in Josephine County in Oregon is where you can
find Oregon Caves, a lovely marble cave that Cascade Grotto and other cavers
re working with the National Park Service to restore.
The tall painting that was just awarded honorable mention paint and pastel
is Hester's most recent. She received the merit award at the NSS Huntsville
convention for a painting of a formation in Oregon Caves.
Hester's paintings are on display in Cave Junction, OR, the town nearest the
Park. Jacqui
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From: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
To: <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:35 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] speleo-artist in the news
For those of you who missed the art salon,
you can go to Illinois this Friday and see
one of the paintings on display:
http://www.illinois-valley-news.com/archive/2009/08/05/story-artist.html
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WOW, Denise. That email gave me chills. She was WONDERFUL. I can't believe
it's been 10 years. I remember the memorial like it was yesterday.
Thank you for the reminder.
julia
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From: Denise P <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
To: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Only one word...
This month marks the 10th year of losing Christy Quintana in a caving accident
in San Luis Potosi. I only knew her a year, but she was truly unforgettable. So
charismatic. I keep this last email from her in my email inbox.
Sniff,
Denise
> From: christinequint...@hotmail.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Only one word...
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:37:39 -0500
>
>
> GOLANDRINAS!! That is the word that I have for you both! Yep... I am going to
> go down Golandrinas!! Can you believe it? Of course, the real problem will be
> going up! Anyway, that will probably be on Saturday!! I will think of you
> both!
>
> It is really great here!! Everyone is really nice, of course that may be
> because I do not understand half the time!! No, not really. Unfortunately, I
> do not have too much access to the computer to write more often. So sad
> because I know you both miss me terribly!! RIGHT???
>
> I hope that Colorado has been wonderful. Apesta is a new word that I
> learned...it means to stink, or from what I hear, is a synonym for Dale
> Barnard.=2
0By the way, one thing that I forgot to bring here...A jacket!! SO ha ha on
your cold Colorado. Not only is it cold here but everyone speaks Spanish and
there are caves!!
>
> I´ll try to write soon!! Miss you all!! Tell Amie and the crew hello!!
> Christy
>
>
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I have some Christy video taken in the canyon during a trip to Bustamonte -
I'll be transferring it soon to digital and will post it on my facebook
account.
-WaV
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM, <germa...@aol.com> wrote:
> WOW, Denise. That email gave me chills. She was WONDERFUL. I can't
> believe it's been 10 years. I remember the memorial like it was yesterday.
>
> Thank you for the reminder.
>
> julia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denise P <pepabe...@hotmail.com>
> To: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 12:59 pm
> Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Only one word...
>
> This month marks the 10th year of losing Christy Quintana in a caving
> accident in San Luis Potosi. I only knew her a year, but she was truly
> unforgettable. So charismatic. I keep this last email from her in my email
> inbox.
>
> Sniff,
> Denise
>
> > From: christinequint...@hotmail.com
> > To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> > Subject: Only one word...
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:37:39 -0500
> >
> >
> > GOLANDRINAS!! That is the word that I have for you both! Yep... I am
> going to go down Golandrinas!! Can you believe it? Of course, the real
> problem will be going up! Anyway, that will probably be on Saturday!! I will
> think of you both!
> >
> > It is really great here!! Everyone is really nice, of course that may be
> because I do not understand half the time!! No, not really. Unfortunately, I
> do not have too much access to the computer to write more often. So sad
> because I know you both miss me terribly!! RIGHT???
> >
> > I hope that Colorado has been wonderful. Apesta is a new word that I
> learned...it means to stink, or from what I hear, is a synonym for Dale
> Barnard. By the way, one thing that I forgot to bring here...A jacket!! SO
> ha ha on your cold Colorado. Not only is it cold here but everyone speaks
> Spanish and there are caves!!
> >
> > I´ll try to write soon!! Miss you all!! Tell Amie and the crew hello!!
> > Christy
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>
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>
>
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In retrospect, maybe it wasn't such a good idea to climb into the ICS hot
tub on the last Sunday night after it had been used for 8 days by 1600
cavers from 52 countries. Or maybe I should have cleaned the mouthpiece on
that snorkel I borrowed from Crystal. Or not crawled through that festering
guano pile with Tom Byrd and Ed Alexander (Are you guys okay?)
Or maybe it's just one of the occasional appearances of one of those oddball
tropical diseases I got back in the 1970s, such as "subterranean tick-borne
relapsing fever" or Telefomin Malaria.
In any event I've had chills alternating with fever, combined with a massive
headache and body aches since Tuesday. I'm at 101.2 right now so think I'll
just go back to bed and watch my work deadlines go whooshing by.
Frank
Frank Binney
Frank Binney & Associates
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P.O. Box 258
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415.488.1200 Voice
415.488.1500 Fax
415.999.0556 Mobile
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Forwarded from NMCaver.
Mark Minton
Dear Colleagues,
We have just received the detailed House and Senate Appropriations
Committee reports. These each now are pending before the full House
and the full Senate respectively.
Votes will take place after the August recess, so it is critical that
we contact our Senators and Representatives while they are at home
during the break. They typically have pretty booked schedules, but
calling, writing, e-mailing, showing up at town meeting style forums
and raising the WNS funding issue.
These two documents are the Senate Appropriations Committee report
number 111-38, dated July 7 (which clearly predates the recent Senate
hearing on WNS); the other is the House Appropriations Committee
report number 111-180, dated June 23.
According to the Senate report above, there is a $500,000
appropriation to USFWS (page 7) for "increased monitoring." According
to the House report (USFWS page 30), there is no increased funding,
but language that states, "The Committee is concerned about increased
mortality of bats in the northeastern United States from white nose
syndrome and encourages the Service to work with the USGS to research
the cause and extent of the problem and develop a mitigation plan."
Mirror language is included under the USGS section.
This level of funding (or no funding) would be crippling for WNS
research. Simply "encouraging" the USFWS and USGS without providing
any funding is an empty statement (House). With only money for
monitoring (Senate), there is NO designated funding for research.
This will mean that state and federal agencies will only be able to
count and survey and use closures as a management tool, but there is
no dedicated funding for research.
Dr. Tom Kunz provided the detailed budget requests to both the House
and Senate: a total of $55 million over 5 years, with about $15
million front-loaded to meet critical research needs about the fungus
itself and how it is affecting the bats. Without this knowledge,
developing and testing any biological, chemical, or other controls
will not happen.
It seems to me that Congress was persuaded by USFWS testimony that
they had things under control. While we understand that as an
administrative agency they can't request additional funds over and
above what is in the President's budget submittal, we though we had
presented a strong case for additional funding. Clearly, not strong
enough.
If we don't want to be sitting around waiting for caves to open after
WNS has killed all the bats, then we need to let our Senators and
Representatives know that the House and Senate committee
recommendations are quite simply inadequate.
It's up to us to yell loudly and clearly that they need to do more. I
strongly suggest we put out a call to contact Congress as soon as
possible. The E-mail addresses can be found at http://www.senate.gov/ or
http://www.house.gov/ to forward your own personalized e-mail to your
Senator or Congressional Representative. Calling your home district
office is also recommended.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news,
Peter Youngbaer
WNS Liaison
National Speleological Society
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>I think that was by far the best crowd we've ever had for the Syphons.
'Cause that was, by far, the best concert the Syphons have ever belted out!
Alex
--
Alex Sproul
NSS 8086RL/FE
NSS Webmaster
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Intersting video of John Ackerman drilling into Holy Grail Cave in
Minnessota.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7GA6yTLdIs
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I was more impressed with Ackerman's head-lamp. Is that something home-made ?
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I would like to receive from as many attendees and volunteers as possible your
favorite moment, memory, least favorite moment/memory, something you're taking
away from it, or any other parting shot you would like to share in the next
TEXAS CAVER.
I have several, but I would like to receive yours!
A sampling of some of mine are:
* Spending a whole week with my kids, grateful for their company and
volunteering.
* The sweet little old lady from New Zealand we met on the Eckert James River
bat flight trip.
* Piling all 9 of us into the back of the pickup of a kind gentleman to get
across the above.
* Putting face to and meeting Ed and Mimi Alexander.
* Experiencing, but not enjoying, my first sampling of Menudo.
* Hanging out with Gil Ediger, Vico Jones, Gary Napper, and the other rascals
at Goad Hollow.
* Meeting all these cool people from all around the world.
You get the idea.
I have received a plethora of photos and promises of several articles (thanks
Fritz, Bill, Matt, and Geary!), so I'm sitting well in that regard.
I would just like a personal touch and note from YOU, as we close the book on
this memorable and historic Texas caving event, the likes of which we probably
won't see again in many decades.
If you do have a photo or article that you MUST share, go ahead and send it,
anyway!
Please use texascav...@yahoo.com or texascav...@gmail.com.
Mucho gracias and have a good weekend!
Mark
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"Dr. Tom Kunz provided the detailed budget requests to both the House
and Senate: a total of $55 million over 5 years, with about $15
million front-loaded to meet critical research needs about the fungus
itself and how it is affecting the bats. Without this knowledge,
developing and testing any biological, chemical, or other controls
will not happen.
"It seems to me that Congress was persuaded by USFWS testimony that
they had things under control. While we understand that as an
administrative agency they can't request additional funds over and
above what is in the President's budget submittal, we though we had
presented a strong case for additional funding. Clearly, not strong
enough."
It seems to me Congress recognized that somebody was being greedy.
Kunz was asking for enough money to support one hundred people for
five years. Even if we learn everything there is to know about WNS,
what is the chance we will be able to actually do anything about it?
There are a lot of people making a big show of concern about all this
(such as bleaching their clothes at ICS), but that's about all it
amounts to. Either white-nose syndrome has the potential to be a
problem in Texas or it doesn't. If it does, does it matter whether it
gets here this year or three years from now? -- Mixon
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I hear that the BLM has a new director, Bob Abbey.
Using a quick web search, he seemed to be active in Nevada on
cave related issues
such as,
archaeology and cave vandal prosecution.
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There are two sides to every story:
http://www.hcn.org/issues/289/15192
Louise
> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:04:32 -0500
> From: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] OT - new BLM director
>
> I hear that the BLM has a new director, Bob Abbey.
>
> Using a quick web search, he seemed to be active in Nevada on
> cave related issues
>
> such as,
>
> archaeology and cave vandal prosecution.
>
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Louise,
Thanks for the post. That was an interesting story.
I needed a good laugh. I can relate to Mr. Dixon.
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Here is a 2 1/2 year old video news clip, that maybe some of you have seen:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Video/playerIndex?id=2883105
Are they still living there ?
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