texascavers Digest 12 Feb 2009 15:36:54 -0000 Issue 709

Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:37:06 -0800 (PST) 

texascavers Digest 12 Feb 2009 15:36:54 -0000 Issue 709

Topics (messages 10161 through 10183):

Re: Loghorn Cavern?
        10161 by: wwildchild.aol.com

Cavern?
        10162 by: Gill Ediger
        10163 by: Lyndon Tiu
        10164 by: Fritz Holt
        10165 by: Pete Lindsley
        10166 by: Ron Ralph
        10167 by: Fritz Holt
        10168 by: Fritz Holt
        10170 by: George Veni

Caver wants to mine moon for ice
        10169 by: Louise Power
        10171 by: Minton, Mark
        10172 by: Louise Power
        10173 by: Ted Samsel

Longhorn dig.
        10174 by: Fritz Holt
        10176 by: Lyndon Tiu
        10177 by: Lyndon Tiu
        10179 by: George Veni
        10180 by: S S
        10181 by: Lyndon Tiu
        10182 by: Lyndon Tiu

Upcoming caving opportunity
        10175 by: Jim Kennedy

Re: Charles Darwin's 200th Birthday Luncheon - and Brown Bag Presentation.
        10178 by: Geary Schindel

Mike Burrell talk to me
        10183 by: Gill Ediger

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Ahhhhh, LOGhorn cave, now I see. :7?? While on the thru-trip I believe it was 
one?of the?ASS?cavers that asked me what the difference was between a cave and 
a cavern. I didn't know but I?suspected something along the lines of the 
difference between a caver and spelunker so that is what I thought the joke was 
about. I ?looked up the definitions and determined that a Cave is a hallow or 
passage way in the earth and a Cavern is the same except especially large in 
its open cavities or something like that. Don't flame me, I'm an accountant not 
a geologist. 

Puppy
=:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: wwildch...@aol.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Loghorn Cavern?



Loghorn Cave?


Nope, the sign says Longhorn Cavern, and the TSS has it listed as Longhorn 
Cavern, so I'm going to say cavern and you can say cave.
Puppy
=:-)







-----Original Message-----
From: Don Arburn <donarb...@mac.com>
Cc: Texas Cavers List <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Loghorn Cavern?




Loghorn Cave? 








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At 08:10 AM 2/10/2009, wwildch...@aol.com wrote:
While on the thru-trip I believe it was one of the ASS cavers that asked me what the difference was between a cave and a cavern.
In my mind, since I was but 5 or 6 and first visited Carlsbad--maybe sooner, I have always associated a cave as being a cave--any enterable subterranian passage, and all of it--every bit, the whole thing, all passages and associated features with no restrictions other than the cave's natural limits--a single entity with multiple rooms, passages, et cetera. While at the same time a cavern is but a smaller portion of the entire cave--a subset of it, an associated lesser part or parcel of the entire cave--such as "the southwest cavern(s) of the main cave" or, perhaps, a large room as in "a cavern that dwarfs any other room in the cave". The term cavern(s) was more-or-less specific to a large passage or room or group of rooms or passages that make up the greater cave. I'll reiterate that that's only my personal interpretation of 'um.
In common parlance--in the vernacular--that is not necessarily the way the terms are used. Cave seems to be interpretted as just a generic term for an enterable, underground passage of no particularly exceptional discreption or expanse. Cavern--or even more specifically, caverns--carries some inborn mystery and suspense and grandeur about it in the minds of the mere mortals who even bother to think about such things. So, it seems that a large number of commercial caves take on the Cavern sobriquet in order to draw in the general public. Cavers, on the other hand, seldom use the term Cavern when naming caves. It seems a little uppity to us. Notice that it is Carlsbad Cavern (singular), not Caverns, but Longhorn Caverns, suggesting that there's but one of the former and more than one of the latter or, perhaps, that a cavern or caverns is a conglomeration of multiple caves in their minds. I'm not sure that Joe the Plumber makes any such distinction.
My ideas are, of course, all in my own head--as are everyone else's in their's--and don't mean much outside of that rhelm. I would suggest, though, that for all practical purposes the terms Cave and Cavern are pretty damned much interchangable insofar as technical and philosophical differences or similarities are concerned. It is, of course, a great opportunity, when some newby asks, to make up a lie of some sort in order to exercise your own creativity, test the gullability of the newby, and cause your credibility to be circumspect. With important matters like the difference between cave and cavern it's sometimes good to leave people a little bit confused.
--Ediger
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According to the ics2009 website:

http://www.ics2009.us/

A "Cavern" is worth between $5K and $15K and is composed of the following:

Texas Parks and Wildlife
Edwards Aquifer Authority
HEB (Here Everything's Better. TM)
ESRI
SWRI
TCMA
Shiner Beers
US Fish and Wildlife Service


It doesn't say though what a "Cave" is.


I'm just full of it!

--
Lyndon Tiu

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Shiner Beer?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:28 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavern?

According to the ics2009 website:

http://www.ics2009.us/

A "Cavern" is worth between $5K and $15K and is composed of the following:

Texas Parks and Wildlife
Edwards Aquifer Authority
HEB (Here Everything's Better. TM)
ESRI
SWRI
TCMA
Shiner Beers
US Fish and Wildlife Service


It doesn't say though what a "Cave" is.


I'm just full of it!

--
Lyndon Tiu

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Of course! It's 100 years old in the year of the ICS.

 - Pete

On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

Shiner Beer?

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Yes, Shiner Beer. The Spotzel Brewery is donating product to the
International Congress of Speleology at a level commensurate with the CAVERN
level of sponsorship. You too may help your fellow international cavers
attend by a generous donation.

Ron Ralph, Chair
Fundraising Committee

-----Original Message-----
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:29 AM
To: Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cavern?

Shiner Beer?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:28 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavern?

According to the ics2009 website:

http://www.ics2009.us/

A "Cavern" is worth between $5K and $15K and is composed of the following:

Texas Parks and Wildlife
Edwards Aquifer Authority
HEB (Here Everything's Better. TM)
ESRI
SWRI
TCMA
Shiner Beers
US Fish and Wildlife Service


It doesn't say though what a "Cave" is.


I'm just full of it!

--
Lyndon Tiu

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A worthy Texas sponsor. Most cavers appreciate a good beer.
Fritz

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Ralph [mailto:ronra...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:21 AM
To: Fritz Holt; 'Lyndon Tiu'; texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: 'George Veni'
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cavern?

Yes, Shiner Beer. The Spotzel Brewery is donating product to the
International Congress of Speleology at a level commensurate with the CAVERN
level of sponsorship. You too may help your fellow international cavers
attend by a generous donation.

Ron Ralph, Chair
Fundraising Committee

-----Original Message-----
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:29 AM
To: Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cavern?

Shiner Beer?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:28 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavern?

According to the ics2009 website:

http://www.ics2009.us/

A "Cavern" is worth between $5K and $15K and is composed of the following:

Texas Parks and Wildlife
Edwards Aquifer Authority
HEB (Here Everything's Better. TM)
ESRI
SWRI
TCMA
Shiner Beers
US Fish and Wildlife Service


It doesn't say though what a "Cave" is.


I'm just full of it!

--
Lyndon Tiu

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Most appropriate. I wish them a prosperous second hundred years.
Fritz

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:caverp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:17 AM
To: Texascavers
Cc: Lyndon Tiu; Fritz Holt
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavern?

Of course! It's 100 years old in the year of the ICS.

  - Pete

On Feb 10, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Fritz Holt wrote:

Shiner Beer?

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Yes, Shiner Beer and many others are sponsoring the ICS. It will not only be
a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see the state-of-the-art in cave and
karst exploration, science, techniques, etc., it will also be an incredible
party with the caving world coming to your backyard.

If you haven't registered yet, do! If you have, have you registered for the
trips? Remember, nothing will be happening on campus on Wednesday of the
ICS. Everyone will heading off on trips. Don't be left behind twiddling your
Petzls. There are 20 great trips to join on Wednesday, plus 21 trips that
run before and after the ICS. All of the details, including on-line
registration, are available at www.ics2009.us 

And while the big buck and big name sponsors are great, so are all of the
caver supporters of the ICS who are working hard to make it happen. Lyndon
is one such supporter, as is everyone else who helped dig open the back
entrance to Longhorn. I wish I could have been with them because it looks
like they had a great time doing it. That's the whole idea of the daily ICS
caving trips (these are different from the special trips which will be held
just on Wednesday). Travis Scott and Joe Mitchell are organizing those daily
trips and Longhorn is one of them. They're looking for more people to help
lead the trips. Consider spending some days during the ICS going caving! OK,
you'll be leading a bunch of cavers from around the world, but what a
fantastic time and opportunity!

I've no doubt that a lot of cavers will show up at the ICS ready to help,
but for caving trips we need to reserve vans, budget for gas, make advance
plans with cave owners, etc., we really need you to step up early and offer
to help out. We won't be able to offer trips unless we know in advance that
we have people to lead them. And the more people who help, the less "work"
(if you want to call leading a caving trip "work"!) it will be for everyone.
You can reach Travis at tra...@oztotl.com and Joe at joemitch...@satx.rr.com

If you're interested in helping in other specific or general ways with the
ICS, contact Nancy Weaver at nan...@io.com

Lastly, on 11-12 July, the weekend before the ICS begins, there will be a
trip to Kerrville to begin setting up the campgrounds. We'll set up security
fencing, showers, mark the campground roads, etc. More information will be
coming, but if you're available and interested, mark your calendars now.

Thanks,

George
15th ICS Chairman and Shameless Promoter

-----Original Message-----
From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:29 AM
To: Lyndon Tiu; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Cavern?

Shiner Beer?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:28 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavern?

According to the ics2009 website:

http://www.ics2009.us/

A "Cavern" is worth between $5K and $15K and is composed of the following:

Texas Parks and Wildlife
Edwards Aquifer Authority
HEB (Here Everything's Better. TM)
ESRI
SWRI
TCMA
Shiner Beers
US Fish and Wildlife Service


It doesn't say though what a "Cave" is.


I'm just full of it!

--
Lyndon Tiu

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Am I the only one who heard Bill Stone Sunday on NPR talk about excavating the 
lunar poles for ice. He talked about why cavers are the perfect people to do it.

 

See: 
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html

 

Bill Stone, a maverick cave explorer who has plumbed Earth’s deepest abysses, 
discusses his efforts to mine lunar ice for space fuel and to build an 
autonomous robot for studying Jupiter’s moon Europa.

 

Even if you don't agree with him, he's got some great pics.

 

Louise

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      Louise Power said:

>Am I the only one who heard Bill Stone Sunday on NPR talk about excavating the 
>lunar poles for ice. He talked about why cavers are the perfect people to do 
>it.

      Was that a new interview on NPR?  The TED talk that you gave a link for 
was back in March, 2007...

Mark Minton

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Yes. It was on a show called "The Interview." I only linked that site becaused 
it pretty well summed up what he talked about. There is a podcast link to the 
BBC that was Sunday's interview. You can download the 26 min podcast from 
there. Sorry I didn't include this one earlier. I missed it when I looked 
online for info.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/nk/interview/
 


From: mmin...@nmhu.edu
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:17:22 -0500
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Caver wants to mine moon for ice





      Louise Power said:
 
>Am I the only one who heard Bill Stone Sunday on NPR talk about excavating the 
>lunar poles for ice. He talked about why cavers are the perfect people to do 
>it.
 
      Was that a new interview on NPR?  The TED talk that you gave a link for 
was back in March, 2007...
 
Mark Minton

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I bet Diet Smith is involved.

T.

OBBook: ANATHEM by Neal Stevenson

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Power
Sent: Feb 10, 2009 1:03 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Caver wants to mine moon for ice

Am I the only one who heard Bill Stone Sunday on NPR talk about excavating the lunar poles for ice. He talked about why cavers are the perfect people to do it.
 
See: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html
 
Bill Stone, a maverick cave explorer who has plumbed Earth’s deepest abysses, discusses his efforts to mine lunar ice for space fuel and to build an autonomous robot for studying Jupiter’s moon Europa.
 
Even if you don't agree with him, he's got some great pics.
 
Louise

http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/

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Lyndon,
That was an excellent trip report on Longhorn. You and the group made good and 
meaningful progress. You should have a lifetime pass to Longhorn. It takes a 
young man such as yourself for such an endeavor.
Fritz

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Thanks Fritz.

I will need to edit the trip report a bit before it goes out to the TSA 
newsletter. Scott did some research and found an article from the 60's about a 
trip in the same passage. Not quite as virgin as we had hoped. But definitely 
needs to be surveyed and mapped as we were definitely "off the map". Something 
we plan on doing next month. Provided the rain from this week has not 
completely flooded the ear dip passage.

More info in the next TSA newsletter.


On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:46:15 -0600 fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
> Lyndon,
> That was an excellent trip report on Longhorn. You and the group made
> good and meaningful progress. You should have a lifetime pass to
> Longhorn. It takes a young man such as yourself for such an endeavor.
> Fritz


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Lyndon Tiu

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:46:15 -0600 fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
> ... and the group ...

The ASS cavers were there and they are awesome cavers. Kudos to them for being 
key in negotiating the ear dip passage.

--
Lyndon Tiu

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Lyndon,

Here is something to chew on as you contemplate the new passage. I did a
hydrogeologic study of the cave for TPWD 10 years ago. In that I identified
springs 1.8 to 2.5 km away that might be the downstream end of the cave, so
there should be a lot of passage still to find. There are also some karst
features I found (unfortunately, not reasonable dig leads) that have good
airflow and suggest open passage not too far beyond the sump. Of course,
"not too far" could mean 5 m or 500 m. There is a very good chance that some
of the passage beyond the sump will be rather large. There is also a
reasonable chance that the passage could split with one way leading to one
spring and the other leading to the other. In that case, I'd expect one
route to be fairly nice while the other would likely be mud-filled and grim.
I wish I could find the time to join you and check out the passage now that
the water is low. If you or anyone else is curious about what may be down
there and why, I'll be glad to talk to you about it at the TSA Convention
(not enough time to write about it now).

George


-----Original Message-----
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 10:35 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Longhorn dig.

Thanks Fritz.

I will need to edit the trip report a bit before it goes out to the TSA
newsletter. Scott did some research and found an article from the 60's about
a trip in the same passage. Not quite as virgin as we had hoped. But
definitely needs to be surveyed and mapped as we were definitely "off the
map". Something we plan on doing next month. Provided the rain from this
week has not completely flooded the ear dip passage.

More info in the next TSA newsletter.


On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:46:15 -0600 fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote:
> Lyndon,
> That was an excellent trip report on Longhorn. You and the group made
> good and meaningful progress. You should have a lifetime pass to
> Longhorn. It takes a young man such as yourself for such an endeavor.
> Fritz


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So looking at the Report on Longhorn in the Caves of Burnet County there are 
two or three maps from different era's.  THere is a 1958 map that indicates 
past the Crownover bypass (called "The Rooms") the cave goes through a place 
called "The Dams" before becoming the salamander trail and ending with "Passage 
blocked by high Water".   The section appears to be a continuation of the main 
trunk passage which would be a left turn coming from the Crownover entrance 
into the cave.  Another Map from 1999 shows an extension of the passage beyond 
where the crownover entrance intersects the main trunk at least 1.5 times the 
distance from the crownover entrance to the intersection of the main passage. 
 
THere is another blurb about this area in the description of the cave;
 
    "The rooms is a tributary in feeder near the intersection of the northern 
wiggleys and the main passage that continues westward for 300 feet as a series 
of rooms and connecting crawls which eventually leads to the crownover 
entrance. The northernmost portion of the cave is poorly explored and not 
represented on the 1978 map of the cave.  It consists of a multilevel 
continuation of the main passage (Salamander Trail) for approximately 500ft to 
a reported sump at the northern end of the cave.  In 1962, this sump was 
reported open with 3 inches of airspace. After 50ft the ceiling rises and the 
passage continues as mostly walking size for an estimated 2000 to 3000 feet and 
ends at another sump." 
 
2002 The Caves of Burnet County, Texas; G. Atkinson                             
                                                              
 
 
 
Sounds like you all just turned around at the first sump if you didn't go that 
far.  Maybe the 1962 sump #1 was not open.  I'd imagining the "Dams" is 
probably an area of water filled muddy rimstone crawls and low headroom you may 
have mistook as the sump?
 
 
Scott
 
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Hi Scott,

Thanks for doing the research.

Since the team from 1962 did not survey the passage, they can't be sure with 
their claims of:

 " ... for approximately 500ft to a reported sump  ... "

 " ... the passage continues as mostly walking size for an estimated 2000 to 
3000 feet ... ".

All the distances from are estimates until surveyed and confirmed.

The ear dip I am talking about may be the sump they are talking about that was 
open in 1962. The 3 inches of airspace is accurate as I had water up to my nose 
with my helmet on and my face almost parallel to the ceiling.

Definitely need to go back, survey and confirm. You coming?


On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:35:46 -0600 back2scool...@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> So looking at the Report on Longhorn in the Caves of Burnet County
> there are two or three maps from different era's.  THere is a 1958 map 
> that indicates past the Crownover bypass (called "The Rooms") the cave 
> goes through a place called "The Dams" before becoming the salamander
> trail and ending with "Passage blocked by high Water".   The section
> appears to be a continuation of the main trunk passage which would be
> a left turn coming from the Crownover entrance into the cave.  Another 
> Map from 1999 shows an extension of the passage beyond where the
> crownover entrance intersects the main trunk at least 1.5 times the
> distance from the crownover entrance to the intersection of the main
> passage. 
>  
> THere is another blurb about this area in the description of the cave;
>  
>     "The rooms is a tributary in feeder near the intersection of the
> northern wiggleys and the main passage that continues westward for 300 
> feet as a series of rooms and connecting crawls which eventually leads 
> to the crownover entrance. The northernmost portion of the cave is
> poorly explored and not represented on the 1978 map of the cave.  It
> consists of a multilevel continuation of the main passage (Salamander
> Trail) for approximately 500ft to a reported sump at the northern end
> of the cave.  In 1962, this sump was reported open with 3 inches of
> airspace. After 50ft the ceiling rises and the passage continues as
> mostly walking size for an estimated 2000 to 3000 feet and ends at
> another sump." 
>  
> 2002 The Caves of Burnet County, Texas; G. Atkinson                    
>  
>  
>  
> Sounds like you all just turned around at the first sump if you didn't 
> go that far.  Maybe the 1962 sump #1 was not open.  I'd imagining the
> "Dams" is probably an area of water filled muddy rimstone crawls and
> low headroom you may have mistook as the sump?
>  
>  
> Scott
>  
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows Live�: Keep your life in sync. 
> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009


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Lyndon Tiu

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:35:46 -0600 back2scool...@hotmail.com wrote:
>  
> Sounds like you all just turned around at the first sump if you didn't 
> go that far.  Maybe the 1962 sump #1 was not open.  I'd imagining the
> "Dams" is probably an area of water filled muddy rimstone crawls and
> low headroom you may have mistook as the sump?
> 

Hi Scott,

The "Dams" is where the rope is, where Julia Germany had an issue climbing up 
with her soleless boots.

You definitely need to come with us next time. Hard to explain unless you are 
there yourself.

--
Lyndon Tiu

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Forwarded for Jut Wynne.  Contact him directly if interested, qualified,
and available.  Feel free to forward this announcement.

 

From: J. Judson Wynne [mailto:jut.wy...@nau.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:11 PM
To: 'J Judson Wynne'
Subject: Fieldwork Announcement - Grand Canyon-Parashant Cave
Biodiversity Inventory Project -- 03 -13 March 2009

 

Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument Cave Biodiversity Project seeks
volunteers for participation.  Must be physically fit, not
claustrophobic, have own caving equipment (or willing to purchase it),
and available to commit for the entire duration of the project.
Fieldwork will be executed from 03 March - 13 March.  Individuals with
experience in caving, rock climbing and/ or mountaineering are
preferred.  Must also be first aid/ CPR certified.  Field objectives
include: (a) inventory both invertebrates and vertebrates using an array
of sampling techniques to best capture biodiversity; and, (b) cave
mapping.  Work will be conducted in one of the most remote canyons on
the monument.  Volunteers must hike in all camping gear, food and water
approximately 2 miles across difficult terrain to reach campsite.  To
learn more about cave biodiversity work on Parashant, go to
http://sbsc.wr.usgs.gov/cprs/research/projects/caves/research.asp.
Contact: Jut Wynne, jut.wy...@nau.edu, 928.523.7757.

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Folks,

 

In celebration of Charles Darwin's 200th birthday tomorrow, February 12,
there will be a lunch time brown bag presentation/travel log by Geary
Schindel on natural history of locations in Belize, Ecuador, Australia,
and New Zealand.  The presentation will be held at the Edwards Aquifer
Authority's Conference Room at 12 noon on Thursday, February 12. Please
let me know if you need directions.

 

Everyone is invited. 

 

Geary Schindel

 

Geary M. Schindel, P.G.

Chief Technical Officer

Edwards Aquifer Authority

1615 N. St. Mary's Street

San Antonio, Texas 78215

210-222-2204

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Mike Burrell talk to me....

--Ediger

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