texascavers Digest 7 Apr 2009 18:19:29 -0000 Issue 737
Topics (messages 10456 through 10466):
Re: Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for Director
10456 by: Alex Sproul
10457 by: Preston Forsythe
10458 by: Ellie Thoene
10460 by: Lyndon Tiu
first trip to El Sotano
10459 by: Mixon Bill
10461 by: Preston Forsythe
10462 by: Jim Kennedy
Re: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital
10463 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
Re: Butch Fralia out of hospital
10464 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
10465 by: Jon Cradit
Deep and Punkin Trip Leader training
10466 by: Geary Schindel
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>What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late?
Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do
everything at the very last minute.
Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as possible after
the situation was discovered.
The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s)
not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of
goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^)
Alex
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We have not received our ballots.
Personal note, Lee is doing a great job.
Preston
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From: Alex Sproul
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: l...@alumni.sfu.ca
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for
Director
>What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late?
Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do
everything at the very last minute.
Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as possible
after the situation was discovered.
The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for person(s)
not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a gesture of
goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^)
Alex
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Hello all!
I would like to comment, as I am the person who created the ballot and
worked with the NSS Nominating Committee to make sure all the ballots were
created, printed and mailed in a timely manner. It is very unfortunate that
the mix-up regarding Lee Florea’s candidacy occurred but I can see that
everyone is doing their best to rectify it. Lee, it looks like you have a
lot of friends!!!
Lee Florea’s name will be listed on the NSS Nominating Committee website (
http://www.caves.org/committee/nominating/Platforms.htm) with the other five
candidates platforms very shortly. I will also make sure that it is clear to
all that Lee Florea is a write-in candidate. If Lee is as great as everyone
is saying he is-I am sure he will be represented well.
All ballots must be received by May 22nd. Please make sure that you vote and
have your ballots in by then so that your vote will be represented when the
ballots are tallied on May 23rd, 2009.
Cavingly,
Ellie Thoene
On 4/7/09, Preston Forsythe <pns_...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> We have not received our ballots.
>
> Personal note, Lee is doing a great job.
>
> Preston
>
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> *From:* Alex Sproul <imoca...@comcast.net>
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Cc:* l...@alumni.sfu.ca
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2009 8:37 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Subject: Lee Florea left off NSS Ballot for
> Director
>
>
> >What happens if I already mailed-in my ballot? Too late?
>
> Pretty much. The penalty for efficiency. We all know cavers always do
> everything at the very last minute.
>
> Seriously, that's why we tried to hit all the list-servs as soon as
> possible after the situation was discovered.
>
> The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for
> person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a
> gesture of goodwill to you. That would seem unlikely, though. ;^)
>
> Alex
>
>
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On Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:37:19 -0400 imoca...@comcast.net wrote:
> The only out I can see is to locate a caver who is power-voting for
> person(s) not including Florea, and convince him/her to add Florea as a
> gesture of goodwill to you.
Problem solved. I found a caver who is doing it for me.
Thanks.
--
Lyndon Tiu
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Does anybody know if a good trip report was ever published on the
first descent (January 1972) of El Sótano del Barro, Quetétaro? All I
can find is a couple of paragraphs by Pete Strickland in the 1972
Speleo Digest. -- Mixon
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Yes. I remember reading an article in a magazine, may even have been a
non-caving magazine, around 1972-73, while hanging around Kirkwood. It may
even have been a Sunday magazine section of some paper like the Nashville,
TN paper. I think the discovery was in 1968. I am sure Logan would know as
he was THERE.
Logan does not always monitor this site so suggest calling him. I was blown
away that my new friend at Kirkwood had made such a huge discovery as a
result of hard work and a long difficult hike. Being fluent in Spanish
helps.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY
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From: "Mixon Bill" <bmixon...@austin.rr.com>
To: "Cavers Texas" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] first trip to El Sotano
Does anybody know if a good trip report was ever published on the
first descent (January 1972) of El S�tano del Barro, Quet�taro? All I
can find is a couple of paragraphs by Pete Strickland in the 1972
Speleo Digest. -- Mixon
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He who renders warfare fatal to all engaged in it will be the greatest
benefactor the world has yet known. - Sir Richard Burton
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I already forwarded the request to Logan. Please don't bombard him with
repeats.
-- Jim
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From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:44 AM
To: Mixon Bill; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] first trip to El Sotano
<snip> Logan does not always monitor this site so suggest calling him.
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Good news from Butch!
Mark
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From: allcavers-boun...@metroplexcavers.org on behalf of Butch Fralia
Sent: Tue 4/7/2009 12:49 PM
To: allcav...@metroplexcavers.org
Subject: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital
I'm happy to report I was finally released from the hospital about 3:00 PM on
Saturday, April 4.
I've been "enjoying" pneumonia since the end of December and have been through
several rounds of antibiotics. The last round was particularly aggressive
involving the antibiotic Avolox for 10 days and 12 days of steroids. That was
completed about 10 days before the trip to the hospital.
Sunday morning, March 29, I was having breathing difficulty seemingly from
excess "gas" and was trying to get to a local clinic to see if they could give
me something for that. Because of the gas, I couldn't bend over enough to get
in the car so ended up calling an ambulance instead. At this point, I must
mention that breathing is habit forming. Once you get in the habit, it's
really hard to stop! It's easier to quit smoking (I have). Anytime you can't
breathe, it sets off panic attacks and in this case hyper-ventillation. The
ambulance ride seemed like it took about two years though they were giving me
"breathing" treatments on the way.
At the hospital, they continued the breathing treatments, brought out the
vampires for blood samples, ran chest x-rays and an EKG. They got my breathing
stabilized and observed my lungs had lots of excess fluid along with other
parts of my chests. They confirmed I STILL had pneumonia (enough to make a
grown may cry). So there I am on IV antibiotics and diuretics but with my
breathing stabilized. I literally hadn't slept since the night before and
dozed off only to be awakened by some alarm going off and people running around
my bed. Seems my heart rate started spiking at around 185 BPM from around
75BPM. More test and some kind of heart drug to get my heart beat under
control. Doctors are asking how long I've had heart trouble. Until that
moment I've never had it suggested by a medical professional or my own body
there was a problem. There were a bunch other weird test results that I'm
happy to report were anomalous and proved not to be a problem.
Sunday night I was admitted and finally settled in my room at 1:00 AM Monday
morning. On the way to my room, I stopped off for a CT scan that apparently
verified I had fluid on my lungs (seemed like that was pretty popular test
result). The rest of the week was taken up by lots of test, IV's and was
mostly uneventful other than boring beyond belief. My blood pressure was way
low until one of my nurses checked it in the other arm and found it to be way
high. Checking it in my leg showed normal blood pressure. Turned out there
were some venous clots in both arms causing the blood pressure anomaly and were
deemed not serious.
Bottom line is eventually home with about $30,000 in hospital bills, a
diagnosis of congestive heart failure, pneumonia and excess fluids (I lost over
20 pounds in the hospital from the diuretics). I came home with a boatload of
medication, not the least of which is three different types of antibiotics,
diuretics, and other heart stabilization medicines. Except for all the drugs
keeping me dizzy and still being tired from the journey I'm in good shape and
should recover nicely.
Thanks for all your support, e-mails and phone calls.
Butch
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Glad to hear that you're still with us, Butch, and home and out of the hospital!
Good luck on kicking the nicotine habit!
With all of your health issues you experienced and a huge increase on the
excise tax on them, it's a good time to kick the habit.
Hope you continue to improve and hope to see you at the Convention!
Now, when can you work on the TSA webpage?! 8^)>
Later,
Mark Alman
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From: allcavers-boun...@metroplexcavers.org on behalf of Butch Fralia
Sent: Tue 4/7/2009 12:49 PM
To: allcav...@metroplexcavers.org
Subject: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital
I'm happy to report I was finally released from the hospital about 3:00 PM on
Saturday, April 4.
I've been "enjoying" pneumonia since the end of December and have been through
several rounds of antibiotics. The last round was particularly aggressive
involving the antibiotic Avolox for 10 days and 12 days of steroids. That was
completed about 10 days before the trip to the hospital.
Sunday morning, March 29, I was having breathing difficulty seemingly from
excess "gas" and was trying to get to a local clinic to see if they could give
me something for that. Because of the gas, I couldn't bend over enough to get
in the car so ended up calling an ambulance instead. At this point, I must
mention that breathing is habit forming. Once you get in the habit, it's
really hard to stop! It's easier to quit smoking (I have). Anytime you can't
breathe, it sets off panic attacks and in this case hyper-ventillation. The
ambulance ride seemed like it took about two years though they were giving me
"breathing" treatments on the way.
At the hospital, they continued the breathing treatments, brought out the
vampires for blood samples, ran chest x-rays and an EKG. They got my breathing
stabilized and observed my lungs had lots of excess fluid along with other
parts of my chests. They confirmed I STILL had pneumonia (enough to make a
grown may cry). So there I am on IV antibiotics and diuretics but with my
breathing stabilized. I literally hadn't slept since the night before and
dozed off only to be awakened by some alarm going off and people running around
my bed. Seems my heart rate started spiking at around 185 BPM from around
75BPM. More test and some kind of heart drug to get my heart beat under
control. Doctors are asking how long I've had heart trouble. Until that
moment I've never had it suggested by a medical professional or my own body
there was a problem. There were a bunch other weird test results that I'm
happy to report were anomalous and proved not to be a problem.
Sunday night I was admitted and finally settled in my room at 1:00 AM Monday
morning. On the way to my room, I stopped off for a CT scan that apparently
verified I had fluid on my lungs (seemed like that was pretty popular test
result). The rest of the week was taken up by lots of test, IV's and was
mostly uneventful other than boring beyond belief. My blood pressure was way
low until one of my nurses checked it in the other arm and found it to be way
high. Checking it in my leg showed normal blood pressure. Turned out there
were some venous clots in both arms causing the blood pressure anomaly and were
deemed not serious.
Bottom line is eventually home with about $30,000 in hospital bills, a
diagnosis of congestive heart failure, pneumonia and excess fluids (I lost over
20 pounds in the hospital from the diuretics). I came home with a boatload of
medication, not the least of which is three different types of antibiotics,
diuretics, and other heart stabilization medicines. Except for all the drugs
keeping me dizzy and still being tired from the journey I'm in good shape and
should recover nicely.
Thanks for all your support, e-mails and phone calls.
Butch
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I'm really glad to hear your are out!
Best of luck on a fast recovery Butch.
I guess this means no histo caves in your future.
Jon Cradit
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:02 PM
To: Butch Fralia; allcav...@metroplexcavers.org;
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Butch Fralia out of hospital
Glad to hear that you're still with us, Butch, and home and out of the
hospital!
Good luck on kicking the nicotine habit!
With all of your health issues you experienced and a huge increase on
the excise tax on them, it's a good time to kick the habit.
Hope you continue to improve and hope to see you at the Convention!
Now, when can you work on the TSA webpage?! 8^)>
Later,
Mark Alman
________________________________
From: allcavers-boun...@metroplexcavers.org on behalf of Butch Fralia
Sent: Tue 4/7/2009 12:49 PM
To: allcav...@metroplexcavers.org
Subject: [Allcavers] Butch Fralia out of hospital
I'm happy to report I was finally released from the hospital about 3:00
PM on Saturday, April 4.
I've been "enjoying" pneumonia since the end of December and have been
through several rounds of antibiotics. The last round was particularly
aggressive involving the antibiotic Avolox for 10 days and 12 days of
steroids. That was completed about 10 days before the trip to the
hospital.
Sunday morning, March 29, I was having breathing difficulty seemingly
from excess "gas" and was trying to get to a local clinic to see if they
could give me something for that. Because of the gas, I couldn't bend
over enough to get in the car so ended up calling an ambulance instead.
At this point, I must mention that breathing is habit forming. Once you
get in the habit, it's really hard to stop! It's easier to quit smoking
(I have). Anytime you can't breathe, it sets off panic attacks and in
this case hyper-ventillation. The ambulance ride seemed like it took
about two years though they were giving me "breathing" treatments on the
way.
At the hospital, they continued the breathing treatments, brought out
the vampires for blood samples, ran chest x-rays and an EKG. They got
my breathing stabilized and observed my lungs had lots of excess fluid
along with other parts of my chests. They confirmed I STILL had
pneumonia (enough to make a grown may cry). So there I am on IV
antibiotics and diuretics but with my breathing stabilized. I literally
hadn't slept since the night before and dozed off only to be awakened by
some alarm going off and people running around my bed. Seems my heart
rate started spiking at around 185 BPM from around 75BPM. More test and
some kind of heart drug to get my heart beat under control. Doctors are
asking how long I've had heart trouble. Until that moment I've never
had it suggested by a medical professional or my own body there was a
problem. There were a bunch other weird test results that I'm happy to
report were anomalous and proved not to be a problem.
Sunday night I was admitted and finally settled in my room at 1:00 AM
Monday morning. On the way to my room, I stopped off for a CT scan that
apparently verified I had fluid on my lungs (seemed like that was pretty
popular test result). The rest of the week was taken up by lots of
test, IV's and was mostly uneventful other than boring beyond belief.
My blood pressure was way low until one of my nurses checked it in the
other arm and found it to be way high. Checking it in my leg showed
normal blood pressure. Turned out there were some venous clots in both
arms causing the blood pressure anomaly and were deemed not serious.
Bottom line is eventually home with about $30,000 in hospital bills, a
diagnosis of congestive heart failure, pneumonia and excess fluids (I
lost over 20 pounds in the hospital from the diuretics). I came home
with a boatload of medication, not the least of which is three different
types of antibiotics, diuretics, and other heart stabilization
medicines. Except for all the drugs keeping me dizzy and still being
tired from the journey I'm in good shape and should recover nicely.
Thanks for all your support, e-mails and phone calls.
Butch
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Folks,
Seems we have a full house at Deep and Punkin this weekend for trip
leader training. So, we should have some new trip leaders for the ICS,
assuming the caves are open for the ICS. We are following the clean
clothes protocols recommended by Jim Kennedy to help slow or stop the
spread of White Nose Syndrome.
Also, on Sunday, we're going to have an Easter egg hunt in the cat claw
thicket - over where I saw the large snake the other day.
Jim Kennedy hasn't sent out a trip report on the Punkin Mapping Trip but
I will add that we now have the two water tanks on the property
manifolded together and a new water pump for the cabin. The hot showers
are wonderful Thanks to Rick Corbell along with Arron Wertheim for all
his hard work on the pump and piping. Of course Jim fed us like kings.
However, we may need to build another outhouse to accommodate the -
well, you know.
Great to hear that Butch is doing better.
Butch, If you would like to come down to the cabin and relax for the
weekend at Deep and Punkin, we would love to have you. However, you
might get a good exposure to Hanta Virus or Histo and I'm not sure that
dumping a lot of metabolized antibiotics into the outhouse would be good
for the composting process.
Let me know and we'll keep the light on for you.
Geary Schindel
Deep and Punkin Property Manager
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