texascavers Digest 16 Jan 2009 13:11:17 -0000 Issue 688
Topics (messages 9895 through 9905):
Re: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
9895 by: Lyndon Tiu
9896 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
9897 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
9899 by: Terri Sprouse
9900 by: Terri Sprouse
9902 by: Charles Goldsmith
9904 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
9905 by: Denise P
Re: Cow Springs Restoration Project News Release
9898 by: Mixon Bill
Re: Texas Caver online
9901 by: Charles Goldsmith
PDF distribution of Texas Caver
9903 by: Mixon Bill
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:53 -0700 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote:
> Of course, assuming one has a printer. But that sort of defeats
> the purpose of having an electronic copy so that one doesn't use up a
> lot of paper.
Yes, that is a good reason not to print, funny cause I never thought about it.
But that's actually a secondary reason for having electronic copies. The
primary reason was to save the TSA some money.
> Actually, if the online Texas Caver issues are pdf
I sure hope these will be in PDF - tabloid sizes pages would be nice!
--
Lyndon Tiu
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Yes, they're all PDF.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:11 PM
To: mmin...@nmhu.edu
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:53 -0700 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote:
> Of course, assuming one has a printer. But that sort of defeats
> the purpose of having an electronic copy so that one doesn't use up a
> lot of paper.
Yes, that is a good reason not to print, funny cause I never thought
about it. But that's actually a secondary reason for having electronic
copies. The primary reason was to save the TSA some money.
> Actually, if the online Texas Caver issues are pdf
I sure hope these will be in PDF - tabloid sizes pages would be nice!
--
Lyndon Tiu
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Where in the great beard of Oztotl did you all come up with a cost of $26 per
member per copy of the Texas Caver ??? Is that supposed to be total cost per
year per member ???
Jerry.
-----Original Message-----
From: mark.al...@l-3com.com
To: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:08 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
To all PAID TSA members,
It was decided this past weekend at the Winter Business Meeting at CBSP that in
order to forestall an increase in TSA member fees, due mainly to the cost of
printing the TC, we would like to offer PAID members the option of accessing
The TEXAS CAVER electronically.
Since the bulk of the TSA budget involves printing the TC, the current $20
membership fee is insufficient to cover the cost of printing and mailing the
TC, calculated at $26 per member/copy.
Do the math!
We did not think this was the best use of membership monies and our cash
reserves would soon be depleted at this rate.
This where you come in.
Through the technical wizardry of our webmaster extraordinaire, Butch Fralia,
PAID TSA members can now sign themselves up to view the latest TC online, each
and every time!
But, that’s not all!
“What else do I get by doing this and why should I bother?!”
Here’s why:
C2
· It will prevent a membership dues increase, hopefully,
for quite a long time. In these tough economic times, who wants that?!
· This will free up a HUGE amount of TSA funds that can be
better utilized on projects, other activities, equipment, and other more
worthwhile pursuits.
· You will have helped get the TSA “Back in Black”,
hopefully, to stay.
· You will be able to view and download the latest TC in
glorious FULL color, not just the cover in color in the mailed version.
· You will be able to view and download past issues of the
TC in glorious FULL color, not just the cover in color mailed version. All of
the 2008 issues are already online and past issues that
moi has been the Editor of will soon be added. Any back issues we can get our
=C
2 grubby hands on will be added, as well!
· That tree-hugging part of you will rest peacefully in
knowing that you have helped preserve many a conifer by opting for the
electronic
version over the paper version.
· And no matter where you may roam, you will have access to
the good ol' TC and the frustrated Editor and Secretary will not have to
deal with the dreaded “Return To Sender/Addressee Not
Found”.
Not to mention that it just makes good financial sense.
All new registrations will be listed as pending, initially, while your
membership is verified before you will have membership access.
Butch has added Darla and Denise as administrators and they will verify that
you are a “Member in Good Standing” and will check this periodically. You will
be notified if your dues are about to expire and will be unceremoniously kicked
off if your dues are not renewed.
In other words, “No TC for you!” (Seinfeld reference
).
The member area is linked in from the main menu at www.cavetexas.org. Be sure
to buy one or five ICS Registration Raffle tickets, while you're there!
If we could get just 50% participation in the electronic version program, one
would be hard-pressed to find any red ink in next year's budget. The more the
better, though.
However, please do not share your password info with the unwashed TSA
non-member!
If they would like to receive the TC, encourage them to do the right and just
thing by being a true American and joining the TSA!
In closing, the Board and I implore, beseech, beg, encourage, and strongly
suggest you sign up today!
Put the word out to your Grotto and to other cavers!
Help the TSA and help save a tree!
Thanks,
Mark Alman and the TSA Board
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--- On Thu, 1/15/09, mark.al...@l-3com.com <mark.al...@l-3com.com> wrote:
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com <mark.al...@l-3com.com>
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
> To: "Lyndon Tiu" <l...@alumni.sfu.ca>, mmin...@nmhu.edu
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:22 PM
> Yes, they're all PDF.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:11 PM
> To: mmin...@nmhu.edu
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TEXAS CAVER Is Now
> Online!!!!
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:53 -0700 mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote:
> > Of course, assuming one has a printer. But that
> sort of defeats
>
> > the purpose of having an electronic copy so that one
> doesn't use up a
> > lot of paper.
>
>
> Yes, that is a good reason not to print, funny cause I
> never thought
> about it. But that's actually a secondary reason for
> having electronic
> copies. The primary reason was to save the TSA some money.
>
>
> > Actually, if the online Texas Caver issues are pdf
>
>
> I sure hope these will be in PDF - tabloid sizes pages
> would be nice!
>
>
> --
> Lyndon Tiu
>
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Peter thinks the solution is to raise the dues and keep printing the hard
copies. I agree. Peter uses the Texas Caver as a resource - so long term access
is important. We have all of the Texas Cavers dating back to 1961 on our book
shelves. Computers, programs, online data storage systems crash, become
outdated and change a lot, but data stored in the bookcase is stable and
reliable. The last thing we want is to look up one day and realize that we have
lost this source of information on explored caves.
The prospect of having trip reports available online to non-members (or to any
large group of people in digital format) scares the hell out of me. Most times,
people on a caving trip have absolutely no control over what is written about
them in a trip report.
I would not like for anything that I write about in a trip report to be easily
forwarded to or accessible by the general public, employers, clients, etc. . .
. I don't want to gratuitously offer any more info on anybody. The internet is
grabby enough. Do we really want to feed that monster?
Gezus
--- On Thu, 1/15/09, jerryat...@aol.com <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:
> From: jerryat...@aol.com <jerryat...@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
> To: mark.al...@l-3com.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:32 PM
> Where in the great beard of Oztotl did you all come up with
> a cost of $26 per member per copy of the Texas Caver ???
> Is that supposed to be total cost per year per member ???
>
> Jerry.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com
> To: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:08 pm
> Subject: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
>
>
>
>
> To all PAID TSA members,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> It was decided this past weekend at the Winter Business
> Meeting at CBSP that in order to forestall an increase in
> TSA member fees, due mainly to the cost of printing the TC,
> we would like to offer PAID members the option of accessing
> The TEXAS CAVER electronically.
>
>
>
> Since the bulk of the TSA budget involves printing the TC,
> the current $20 membership fee is insufficient to cover the
> cost of printing and mailing the TC, calculated at $26 per
> member/copy.
>
>
>
>
>
> Do the math!
>
>
>
>
>
> We did not think this was the best use of membership monies
> and our cash reserves would soon be depleted at this rate.
>
>
>
>
>
> This where you come in.
>
>
>
>
>
> Through the technical wizardry of our webmaster
> extraordinaire, Butch Fralia, PAID TSA members can now sign
> themselves up to view the latest TC online, each and every
> time!
>
>
>
> But, that’s not all!
>
>
>
>
>
> “What else do I get by doing this and why should I
> bother?!”
>
>
>
>
>
> Here’s why:
>
>
>
> C2
>
> · It will prevent
> a membership dues increase, hopefully, for quite a long
> time. In these tough economic times, who wants that?!
>
>
>
> · This will free
> up a HUGE amount of TSA funds that can be better utilized on
> projects, other activities, equipment, and other more
>
> worthwhile
> pursuits.
>
>
>
> · You will have
> helped get the TSA “Back in Black”, hopefully, to stay.
>
>
>
> · You will be able
> to view and download the latest TC in glorious FULL color,
> not just the cover in color in the mailed version.
>
>
>
> · You will be able
> to view and download past issues of the TC in glorious FULL
> color, not just the cover in color mailed version. All of
>
> the 2008 issues
> are already online and past issues that moi has been the
> Editor of will soon be added. Any back issues we can get
> our
>
> =C
> 2 grubby hands on
> will be added, as well!
>
>
>
> · That
> tree-hugging part of you will rest peacefully in knowing
> that you have helped preserve many a conifer by opting for
> the electronic
>
> version over the
> paper version.
>
>
>
> · And no matter
> where you may roam, you will have access to the good ol'
> TC and the frustrated Editor and Secretary will not have to
>
> deal with the
> dreaded “Return To Sender/Addressee Not Found”.
>
>
>
>
>
> Not to mention that it just makes good financial sense.
>
>
>
>
>
> All new registrations will be listed as pending, initially,
> while your membership is verified before you will have
> membership access.
>
>
>
> Butch has added Darla and Denise as administrators and they
> will verify that you are a “Member in Good Standing” and
> will check this periodically. You will be notified if your
> dues are about to expire and will be unceremoniously kicked
> off if your dues are not renewed.
>
>
>
> In other words, “No TC for you!” (Seinfeld reference
> ).
>
>
>
> The member area is linked in from the main menu at
> www.cavetexas.org. Be sure to buy one or five ICS
> Registration Raffle tickets, while you're there!
>
>
>
> If we could get just 50% participation in the electronic
> version program, one would be hard-pressed to find any red
> ink in next year's budget. The more the better, though.
>
>
>
>
>
> However, please do not share your password info with the
> unwashed TSA non-member!
>
>
>
>
>
> If they would like to receive the TC, encourage them to do
> the right and just thing by being a true American and
> joining the TSA!
>
>
>
>
>
> In closing, the Board and I implore, beseech, beg,
> encourage, and strongly suggest you sign up today!
>
>
>
>
>
> Put the word out to your Grotto and to other cavers!
>
>
>
>
>
> Help the TSA and help save a tree!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mark Alman and the TSA Board
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
And then I see this, doh, my bad, sorry for the dupe.
Now, to the issue at hand, I disagree, if anyone wants a hard copy,
have it printed, you'll come out a bit more expensive, but that way
the rest of us don't have to pay for the additional cost via higher
subscriptions.
The TSA is moving in the correct direction.
As far as making sure these are always available, until time ends,
proper planning of the TSA with this is prudent.
Multiple off-site storage of the files should be mandatory, and
accurate accounting of the off-site files.
Requiring everyone to pay more for a hard-copy is selfish and not
prudent in these economical times. I can afford for higher dues, do I
want them, no. Not everyone could afford them, we should probably
talk about dropping them a bit to help everyone out.
If you don't have a printer, you can take the pdf to many printing
shops to have it printed. If you insist on having one mailed to you
in hard copy, perhaps the TSA will consent with doing a special rate
for those, paying a higher dues to cover the printing/mailing cost.
This should not be imposed on everyone though, only to those who elect
to pay that cost.
Charles
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Terri Sprouse <posada...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Peter thinks the solution is to raise the dues and keep printing the hard
> copies. I agree. Peter uses the Texas Caver as a resource - so long term
> access is important. We have all of the Texas Cavers dating back to 1961 on
> our book shelves. Computers, programs, online data storage systems crash,
> become outdated and change a lot, but data stored in the bookcase is stable
> and reliable. The last thing we want is to look up one day and realize that
> we have lost this source of information on explored caves.
>
> The prospect of having trip reports available online to non-members (or to
> any large group of people in digital format) scares the hell out of me. Most
> times, people on a caving trip have absolutely no control over what is
> written about them in a trip report.
>
> I would not like for anything that I write about in a trip report to be
> easily forwarded to or accessible by the general public, employers, clients,
> etc. . . . I don't want to gratuitously offer any more info on anybody. The
> internet is grabby enough. Do we really want to feed that monster?
>
> Gezus
>
> --- On Thu, 1/15/09, jerryat...@aol.com <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> From: jerryat...@aol.com <jerryat...@aol.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
>> To: mark.al...@l-3com.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 7:32 PM
>> Where in the great beard of Oztotl did you all come up with
>> a cost of $26 per member per copy of the Texas Caver ???
>> Is that supposed to be total cost per year per member ???
>>
>> Jerry.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mark.al...@l-3com.com
>> To: TexasCavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:08 pm
>> Subject: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To all PAID TSA members,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It was decided this past weekend at the Winter Business
>> Meeting at CBSP that in order to forestall an increase in
>> TSA member fees, due mainly to the cost of printing the TC,
>> we would like to offer PAID members the option of accessing
>> The TEXAS CAVER electronically.
>>
>>
>>
>> Since the bulk of the TSA budget involves printing the TC,
>> the current $20 membership fee is insufficient to cover the
>> cost of printing and mailing the TC, calculated at $26 per
>> member/copy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Do the math!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We did not think this was the best use of membership monies
>> and our cash reserves would soon be depleted at this rate.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This where you come in.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Through the technical wizardry of our webmaster
>> extraordinaire, Butch Fralia, PAID TSA members can now sign
>> themselves up to view the latest TC online, each and every
>> time!
>>
>>
>>
>> But, that's not all!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "What else do I get by doing this and why should I
>> bother?!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's why:
>>
>>
>>
>> C2
>>
>> · It will prevent
>> a membership dues increase, hopefully, for quite a long
>> time. In these tough economic times, who wants that?!
>>
>>
>>
>> · This will free
>> up a HUGE amount of TSA funds that can be better utilized on
>> projects, other activities, equipment, and other more
>>
>> worthwhile
>> pursuits.
>>
>>
>>
>> · You will have
>> helped get the TSA "Back in Black", hopefully, to stay.
>>
>>
>>
>> · You will be able
>> to view and download the latest TC in glorious FULL color,
>> not just the cover in color in the mailed version.
>>
>>
>>
>> · You will be able
>> to view and download past issues of the TC in glorious FULL
>> color, not just the cover in color mailed version. All of
>>
>> the 2008 issues
>> are already online and past issues that moi has been the
>> Editor of will soon be added. Any back issues we can get
>> our
>>
>> =C
>> 2 grubby hands on
>> will be added, as well!
>>
>>
>>
>> · That
>> tree-hugging part of you will rest peacefully in knowing
>> that you have helped preserve many a conifer by opting for
>> the electronic
>>
>> version over the
>> paper version.
>>
>>
>>
>> · And no matter
>> where you may roam, you will have access to the good ol'
>> TC and the frustrated Editor and Secretary will not have to
>>
>> deal with the
>> dreaded "Return To Sender/Addressee Not Found".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not to mention that it just makes good financial sense.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All new registrations will be listed as pending, initially,
>> while your membership is verified before you will have
>> membership access.
>>
>>
>>
>> Butch has added Darla and Denise as administrators and they
>> will verify that you are a "Member in Good Standing" and
>> will check this periodically. You will be notified if your
>> dues are about to expire and will be unceremoniously kicked
>> off if your dues are not renewed.
>>
>>
>>
>> In other words, "No TC for you!" (Seinfeld reference
>> ).
>>
>>
>>
>> The member area is linked in from the main menu at
>> www.cavetexas.org. Be sure to buy one or five ICS
>> Registration Raffle tickets, while you're there!
>>
>>
>>
>> If we could get just 50% participation in the electronic
>> version program, one would be hard-pressed to find any red
>> ink in next year's budget. The more the better, though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> However, please do not share your password info with the
>> unwashed TSA non-member!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If they would like to receive the TC, encourage them to do
>> the right and just thing by being a true American and
>> joining the TSA!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In closing, the Board and I implore, beseech, beg,
>> encourage, and strongly suggest you sign up today!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Put the word out to your Grotto and to other cavers!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Help the TSA and help save a tree!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Alman and the TSA Board
>
>
>
>
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---- Terri Sprouse <posada...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Peter thinks the solution is to raise the dues and keep printing the hard
copies. I agree. <<
So do it. Raise my dues. So what if it's another $10 a year? Ten dollars a
year? If that breaks you, then you surely can't buy batteries for your LED
light either.
Bill
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I see Terri's point about not having the CAVER able to be electronically
distributed all over, and folks losing their privacy. I know she gets up to all
kinds of mischief on trips she doesn't want her conservative employers to know
about! :)
Could we make it where it's read only (not downloadable) on the web site?
People who want a hardcopy could continue to receive one in the mail.
I personally do not want a hardcopy or my dues raised (though I could afford
it, I'd rather not pay more, I support all kinds of organizations in addition
to the TSA), so I like this option.
I do not think the goal here is to eliminate all hardcopies, only those for
people who do not want them (a logical decision that saves money for the TSA
and a tree or two/barrel of oil). I really think the CAVER will always be in
print.
My two cents,
Denise> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:28:00 -0800> From: posada...@yahoo.com> To:
texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now
Online!!!!> > > Peter thinks the solution is to raise the dues and keep
printing the hard copies. I agree. Peter uses the Texas Caver as a resource -
so long term access is important. We have all of the Texas Cavers dating back
to 1961 on our book shelves. Computers, programs, online data storage systems
crash, become outdated and change a lot, but data stored in the bookcase is
stable and reliable. The last thing we want is to look up one day and realize
that we have lost this source of information on explored caves.> > The prospect
of having trip reports available online to non-members (or to any large group
of people in digital format) scares the hell out of me. Most times, people on a
caving trip have absolutely no control over what is written about them in a
trip report.> > I would not like for anything that I write about in a trip
report to be easily forwarded to or accessible by the general public,
employers, clients, etc. . . . I don't want to gratuitously offer any more info
on anybody. The internet is grabby enough. Do we really want to feed that
monster?> > Gezus> > --- On Thu, 1/15/09, jerryat...@aol.com
<jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:> > > From: jerryat...@aol.com <jerryat...@aol.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!> > To:
mark.al...@l-3com.com, texascavers@texascavers.com> > Date: Thursday, January
15, 2009, 7:32 PM> > Where in the great beard of Oztotl did you all come up
with> > a cost of $26 per member per copy of the Texas Caver ??? > > Is that
supposed to be total cost per year per member ??? > > > > Jerry.> > > >
-----Original Message-----> > From: mark.al...@l-3com.com> > To: TexasCavers
<texascavers@texascavers.com>> > Sent: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 1:08 pm> > Subject:
[Texascavers] The TEXAS CAVER Is Now Online!!!!> > > > > > > > > > To all PAID
TSA members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was decided this past weekend
at the Winter Business> > Meeting at CBSP that in order to forestall an
increase in> > TSA member fees, due mainly to the cost of printing the TC,> >
we would like to offer PAID members the option of accessing> > The TEXAS CAVER
electronically. > > > > > > > > Since the bulk of the TSA budget involves
printing the TC,> > the current $20 membership fee is insufficient to cover
the> > cost of printing and mailing the TC, calculated at $26 per> >
member/copy.> > > > > > > > > > > > Do the math!> > > > > > > > > > > > We did
not think this was the best use of membership monies> > and our cash reserves
would soon be depleted at this rate.> > > > > > > > > > > > This where you come
in.> > > > > > > > > > > > Through the technical wizardry of our webmaster> >
extraordinaire, Butch Fralia, PAID TSA members can now sign> > themselves up to
view the latest TC online, each and every> > time!> > > > > > > > But, that’s
not all! > > > > > > > > > > > > “What else do I get by doing this and why
should I> > bother?!”> > > > > > > > > > > > Here’s why:> > > > > > > > C2> > >
> · It will prevent> > a membership dues increase, hopefully, for quite a long>
> time. In these tough economic times, who wants that?!> > > > > > > > · This
will free> > up a HUGE amount of TSA funds that can be better utilized on> >
projects, other activities, equipment, and other more > > > > worthwhile> >
pursuits.> > > > > > > > · You will have> > helped get the TSA “Back in Black”,
hopefully, to stay.> > > > > > > > · You will be able> > to view and download
the latest TC in glorious FULL color,> > not just the cover in color in the
mailed version.> > > > > > > > · You will be able> > to view and download past
issues of the TC in glorious FULL> > color, not just the cover in color mailed
version. All of > > > > the 2008 issues> > are already online and past issues
that moi has been the> > Editor of will soon be added. Any back issues we can
get> > our > > > > =C> > 2 grubby hands on> > will be added, as well!> > > > >
> > > · That> > tree-hugging part of you will rest peacefully in knowing> >
that you have helped preserve many a conifer by opting for> > the electronic >
> > > version over the> > paper version.> > > > > > > > · And no matter> >
where you may roam, you will have access to the good ol'> > TC and the
frustrated Editor and Secretary will not have to > > > > deal with the> >
dreaded “Return To Sender/Addressee Not Found”.> > > > > > > > > > > > Not to
mention that it just makes good financial sense.> > > > > > > > > > > > All new
registrations will be listed as pending, initially,> > while your membership is
verified before you will have> > membership access. > > > > > > > > Butch has
added Darla and Denise as administrators and they> > will verify that you are a
“Member in Good Standing” and> > will check this periodically. You will be
notified if your> > dues are about to expire and will be unceremoniously
kicked> > off if your dues are not renewed.> > > > > > > > In other words, “No
TC for you!” (Seinfeld reference> > ).> > > > > > > > The member area is linked
in from the main menu at> > www.cavetexas.org. Be sure to buy one or five ICS>
> Registration Raffle tickets, while you're there!> > > > > > > > If we could
get just 50% participation in the electronic> > version program, one would be
hard-pressed to find any red> > ink in next year's budget. The more the better,
though.> > > > > > > > > > > > However, please do not share your password info
with the> > unwashed TSA non-member! > > > > > > > > > > > > If they would like
to receive the TC, encourage them to do> > the right and just thing by being a
true American and> > joining the TSA!> > > > > > > > > > > > In closing, the
Board and I implore, beseech, beg,> > encourage, and strongly suggest you sign
up today!> > > > > > > > > > > > Put the word out to your Grotto and to other
cavers! > > > > > > > > > > > > Help the TSA and help save a tree!> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > > > Mark Alman and the TSA Board> > > > >
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From: "Gene Page" <afn32...@afn.org>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: January 15, 2009 3:51:56 PM CST
To: <bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Cow Springs Restoration Project News Release
***For Immediate Release***
Cow Spring Restoration Project
Jan 15, 2009
This week cave diving history was made not because divers
went deeper or further or invented a new kind of dive gear but by
making the world a better place. History was made this week when
four divers entered the darkness of Cow Springs in Luraville, Florida
and performed the world’s first underwater cave restoration. Fourteen
months ago pristine clay banks where damaged by unknown vandals diving
in the system. These clay formations which have been untouched by man
for thousands of years feature beautiful multi-colored layers. The
project was sponsored by The National Speleogical Society – Cave
Diving Section.
On January 5, 2009 the team led by Chicago artist Michael
Angelo Gagliardi, also featured photographers Gene Page and Jill
Heinerth. Wayne Kinard and Bill Bowden rounded out the stellar team.
Working in two knot current Michael Angelo used theatrical scenic art
as well as theatrical rigging techniques to sculpt the formation back
to its original form. The work site was 700 feet into the cave and
over 70 feet under water. The team worked for three days in a series
of two and a half hour decompression dives to complete the restoration.
Michael Angelo Gagliardi, is a well known Chicago
theatrical professional. He is a member of the International Alliance
of Theatrical Stage Employees Chicago Local #2 Stagehands. Michael
Angelo has toured the country with such Broadway shows as SHOWBOAT,
PETER PAN, THE LION KING and THE COLOR PURPLE. Most recently he was
head carpenter of JERSEY BOYS in Chicago. Galleries have shown his
art inNew York City, Chicago and Los Angeles. He is currently
represented by Effe Leven Gallery in Chicago. His art can be seen at www.Michael-Angelo-art.com
Gene Page is a motion picture and television still
photographer, with a background in photojournalism, fine art and
underwater photography. He also is a member of International Alliance
of Theatrical Stage Employees local 600 cinematographer’s guild. His
film credits include BASIC, THE PUNISHER and FOOL’S GOLD. Both he and
Michael Angelo are alumni of CW Post College of Long Island
University. More about Gene atwww.afn.org/~afn32018/
Best known as a pioneering technical diver, Jill Heinerth
combines a mastery of underwater technology with a formal fine arts
education to produce artistic documentation of the natural environment
above, below and inside our planet. Her credits include A WATER’S
JOURNEY for PBS, National Geographic – ICE ISLAND, and theHollywood
feature THE CAVE.
Please visit Jill’s website at www.intotheplanet.com/
Wayne Kinard was Michael Angelo’s assistant and dive
buddy. He is a well know dive shop owner in Fort White, Florida.
More about Wayne can be found at http://www.amigosdivecenter.com
Cave diver Bill Bowden acted as surface support and was instrumental
to the projects success.
The NSS-CDS is a not-for-profit conservationist
organization which promotes safe cave diving and exploration. Cave
Diving is a highly-technical form of diving and cave exploration.
More about cave diving can be found at http://nsscds.org For a copy
of this project’s report please e-mail Michael Angelo at ma9...@aol.com
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Terri, you accidently sent this to the owner of the list (me), so forwarding...
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From: Terri Sprouse <terri.spro...@yahoo.com>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Subject: Texas Caver online
To: texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com
Peter thinks the solution is to raise the dues and keep printing the
hard copies. I agree. Peter uses the Texas Caver as a resource - so
long term access is important. We have all of the Texas Cavers dating
back to 1961 on our book shelves. Computers, programs, online data
storage systems crash, become outdated and change a lot, but data
stored in the bookcase is stable and reliable. The last thing we want
is to look up one day and realize that we have lost this source of
information on explored caves.
The prospect of having trip reports available online to non-members
(or to any large group of people in digital format) scares the hell
out of me. Most times, people on a caving trip have absolutely no
control over what is written about them in a trip report.
I would not like for anything that I write about in a trip report to
be easily forwarded to or accessible by the general public, employers,
clients, etc. . . . I don't want to gratuitously offer any more info
on anybody. The internet is grabby enough. Do we really want to feed
that monster?
Gezus
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Let's see. I'm supposed to pay $20 a year _and_ print my own copies of
the Texas Caver? No thanks, I'll pass on that. Apparently the Texas
Caver costs 26 cents a page to print and mail. I'd say there should be
considerable scope for savings there. -- Mixon
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