texascavers Digest 7 Sep 2008 07:42:00 -0000 Issue 602
Topics (messages 8878 through 8893):
Bike Auction
8878 by: Ron Ralph
TSS work session
8879 by: Ron Ralph
Re: Informational: Public Health Notice - Bat positive for rabies
8880 by: Ron Ralph
Re: HYdrogeology Brown bag 5 September - GEOLOGY AND HEALTH IN TEXAS: AN
OVERVIEW
8881 by: Mike Flannigan
golondrinas trip
8882 by: Nancy Weaver
8883 by: garyfranklin2.austin.rr.com
Texas Architect Magazine: Bracken Bat Cave Visitor's Center
8884 by: RD Milhollin
8885 by: Louise Power
8886 by: Jim Kennedy
OT Caver Birthday
8887 by: wesley s
Re: Camp Eagle - Ridge Walking Sept 19-21
8888 by: Kurt L. Menking
8889 by: JohnT
Texas Architect Magazine:
8890 by: Gill Ediger
8891 by: John P. Brooks
Caving Safety on Youtube.com
8892 by: wpick.cox.net
Cave Books For Sale
8893 by: Stephen Fleming
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Cavers,
If in town this evening, you might want to look at bicycles at Trinity and
Martin Luther King (old 19th street) in Austin.
Ron
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Subject: Informational: Annual PTS Bike Auction
Dear UT Community:
Today, September 4th Parking and Transportation Services will be holding a
silent auction of over 150 bicycles. The preview will be at 5pm and the
silent bidding will begin at 5:30pm.
The starting bid will be $3.The location of the bike auction will be the
roof top of the Trinity Garage, located at 1815 Trinity Street. In case of
rain, the auction will be held on the 5th floor of the garage.
Images of the bicycles to be auctioned are currently online at the BikeUT
webpage www.utexas.edu/parking/transportation/biking
Parking & Transportation Services
The University of Texas at Austin
Phone: 471-7275 (PARK)
Fax: 471-4227
park...@www.utexas.edu
http://www.utexas.edu/parking
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Cavers,
The standard work session is scheduled for the standard second Wednesday of
September. Sarah Palin had to cancel her talk on Caves of Alaska due to a
new workload, but we will try to fill in. We will file exchange copies of
newsletters from all over the country and continue to update electronic
files updated by Assistant Data Managers. Come by and see if you would like
to organize one of our cave rich counties. You will be able to work on your
own projects as well. The door will be open at 5:00 p.m. and stay open till
we adjourn.
The TSS "office" is in building 18-A at the JJ Pickle Research Center (PRC)
in north Austin. PRC is between 183 and Braker Lane, and between Mopac and
Burnet. If coming north on Mopac, take the Braker exit, then enter from the
north. If closed, continue east to Burnet, turn south (right) and use the
main east entrance.
If coming west on Research (183) from Interstate Highway 35, take the Burnet
Road exit, then north on Burnet to the east entrance on the left past the
light on Rutland. After hours, you can only enter from the east off Burnet
Road. A detailed map to PRC can be found at http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/
On the PRC map 2 ("NW Area"), 18-A is the little building just above the
"ra" in "Granberry". Park to the south in the PETEX lot across the street
(Read Granberry Trail) from building 18-A. Remember that you must arrive
before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not let you in! We'll usually work
until 8:30 or 9:00 pm
.
The TSS office phone is 475-8802 if you get lost or stopped by the guard.
Remember that you must arrive before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not
let you in!
If you have questions, please contact me ronra...@austin.rr.con or Jim
Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org off line. If you would like to car pool from
Manchaca, please give me a call.
Ron Ralph
Cell: 797-3817
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Cavers,
Heads up for Austin, Texas folks.
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: Peterson, Carin E [mailto:cpeter...@austin.utexas.edu]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:04 PM
To: GroupMail distribution: A2A3435F70117C0F85 :
Subject: Informational: Public Health Notice - Bat positive for rabies
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A bat that tested positive for the rabies virus was found near the southeast
corner of the intersection of 24th and Guadalupe streets on Tuesday, Sept.
2, 2008. Rabies is a fatal disease that can be transmitted through the bite
of a bat. Rabies can be kept from developing if treatment is done soon
after an exposure. If you or someone you know had contact with a bat in this
area on or around this date, please contact Environmental Health and Safety
(471-3511) or the Department of State Health Services Zoonosis Control
(254-778-6744)
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If anybody goes, I'd be interested to hear where the
high levels of fluorine in groundwater occur.
Mike Flannigan
germa...@aol.com wrote:
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From: john sharp <jmsh...@mail.utexas.edu>
To: john sharp <jmsh...@mail.utexas.edu>
Sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 9:39 am
Subject: HYdrogeology Brown bag 5 September - GEOLOGY AND HEALTH IN
TEXAS: AN OVERVIEW
_The first hydrogeology brown bag seminar of the year will be:
_ This coming Friday, Sept. 5, noon in GEO 3.222
_
*GEOLOGY AND HEALTH IN TEXAS: AN OVERVIEW*
_
*__FINKELMAN, Robert B._ *, Dept. of Geosciences, University of Texas
at Dallas, Richardson, TX 75083, b...@utdallas.edu
<mailto:b...@utdallas.edu>
_
snip
_
_Other potential health threats to Texas residents arise from high
levels of arsenic and fluorine in ground water, African dust blown
across the Atlantic, and asbestos particles. These, and other medical
geology problems can be avoided or minimized through active
cooperation between geologists and the public health community.
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Title: golondrinas trip
Would anyone who has done a golondrinas trip within the past year
kindly respond to my friend Jon Clayton (co-founder of the Pan
American grotto long ago) zilchweaver...@yahoo.com and share
trip details and logistics with him?
Jon is interested in putting together a trip in November.
thanks
Nancy
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Nancy,
These are the Photo links and report from the Golindrinas trip that David Ochel
led in May.
http://lostgravity.smugmug.com/share/6EE5LAhjwPGiI
http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=11d7qi2p.mwglds1&x=0&h=1&y=wqpjn6&localeid=e
n_US
Sotano de las Golondrinas – May 2008
Trip Report by David Ochel
I had wanted to “do Golondrinas” for quite a while. Summer 2007 I
bought a rope and slowly started planning. Early this year, an
extended Memorial Day weekend was set as the date. When the day of
departure came close, Joe Datri and Gary Franklin were the only ones
left from all the folks that earlier had expressed interest in going.
At the Grotto meeting on the Wednesday before the trip, Alex Benavente
spontaneously decided to join us as well. Being originally from San
Luis Potosi and knowing his way around the caves in the state, this
naturally put him into the position of becoming our tour guide for the
trip.
We left Austin, Texas on Saturday morning and were on the road by 8
am. We had decided to cram all four of us into my little Tacoma
XtraCab, for gas-saving reasons and because we were not totally sure
that we would be able to make it up the mountains without a 4-wheel
drive vehicle. (Turns out that one could probably make it with a 2-
wheel drive and high clearance, as long as it doesn’t rain a lot.)
Everybody, including the truck but excluding Gary, had the necessary
papers already. Luckily and a bit surprisingly, there was no waiting
line for getting Gary’s tourist card in Nuevo Laredo, and off we went
into Mexico, staying on highway 85 because it reportedly has the best
(and fastest) roads. By 3:30 pm, we had made it through the moderately
heavy traffic in Monterrey. We stopped for dinner in Ciudad Victoria
and made it into Ciudad Mante shortly after 9 pm. We had a few beers
in a bar aptly named “La Cueva” and then went to bed in our hotel room.
After breakfast on Sunday morning, our little group was back on the
road and made it to Aquismon before noon. Following a brief stop in
the town center, we headed up the mountain in order to check out the
situation at the Sotano. Not much (apart from a lot of wood
construction – signage and additional platforms) was going on, and
after paying our 10 pesos each for visiting the cave, we talked to the
two guys who seemed to be in charge. (The mentioning of “we” talking
to locals in this trip report usually refers to Alex doing the talking
and then translating for the rest of us.) We were told that we could
drop the rope into the cave at 10 am and had to be out by 3 pm, and
that it would cost us 40 pesos per nose – more or less consistent with
what other recent trip reports said. We agreed to meet one of the
locals at 9 am the next morning – he would carry our rope the
relatively short but steep path from the road to the cave (and back)
for 150 pesos. After staring down into the Sotano for another while
and checking out potential rigging options, we decided to head towards
Guaguas.
We spent about an hour at the regional Sunday market that we ran into
on our way, finally made it to the entrance to Hoyas de las Guaguas
(also spelled Huahuas on local signs), and decided to pay the 35 pesos
each for rappelling into it. I had brought 200 m of 9 mm rope that we
carried down and up the trails to the cave with the intention to rig
the low side of the entrance pit (about 180 m) – due to it being
afternoon already, we were only going to drop the entrance and not
continue down into the rest of the cave. Back in Austin, we had heard
several warnings about potential beehives in the entrance and were on
the lookout for them. Indeed, we could see bees swarming in and out a
small crevice on the left-hand cave wall (when looking from the lower
side), but agreed that using the right one of the two easily
accessible rigging spots on the lower side should be far enough away
from them. Using natural anchors, it took a little while until I had
rigged the drop with a rebelay to my satisfaction, keeping the rope
from rubbing on the ledge. Once Gary and Joe had followed me down, I
climbed back up to release Alex, who had stayed on top to watch the
rope. By then, it looked like the bees had already gone to sleep.
While I was climbing, a local muchacho came by and told Alex that it
was time to leave the cave – which we did, as soon as Alex had made it
down to tell the others to come back out. Watching the returning
swifts diving full-speed into the pit made me wanting to be able to
fly like them, too. We arrived at the truck past 9 pm and started our
drive back to Aquismon, but not before having a lengthy encounter with
a drunk Huastec who accused us of stealing rocks from the cave. Since
Gary (also known as “el hombre peligroso” on this trip) had been the
last one coming back up the trail, sweating under the burden of his
heavy cave pack, it was obvious that he must be the one carrying the
stolen rocks in his pack.
Monday morning came, our rope sherpa arrived in time, and by 9:30 am
we were busy rigging to natural anchors on the low side of the Sotano
de las Golondrinas, a drop of approximately 330 m. Philip Rykwalder
had told me about an elegant rigging solution that Matt Oliphant had
used when they went there together the last time: Wrapping the rope
with ample padding around a big boulder that is overlooking the pit,
and anchoring it to another big rock further back. It worked like a
charm – the 10 mm Talon rope was hanging free and there was even room
to get on and off it without any hassle or changing over from and to
another access line. No need to set bolts or trust other people’s
bolts. By 10:30 am we were finally ready to lower the rope down the
pit, and shortly after I started my descent. Gary and Joe followed.
Alex – who had already shown up with a knee bandage on Saturday–
decided to give his knee a break and watch the rope, instead of going
for a new personal Golondrinas record. We did not time our descents,
but it felt like Joe and Gary took their time, while all three of them
claimed that I was speeding on my way down there. (It did not feel
that fast to me – I touched down pretty slow and smoothly.)
I started frogging back out solo once Joe hit the floor, about half an
hour past noon and after having had ample time to explore the bottom
of this beautiful cave. It took me about 70 minutes – I guess a rope
walker and/or more training might be in order for next time. Due to
our given 3 pm deadline coming closer, Gary and Joe decided to frog
out tandem, which took something between 2.5 and 3 hours. In the
meantime, I had prepared a little haul system, and by the time when
large numbers of birds started their descent into the cave and a
surprisingly big crowd of Mexican tourists showed up to watch their
return, the rope was back in its two cave packs. No complaints about
missed deadlines from the officials, and after mastering the climb
back up to the truck and stopping for a couple of beers up in the
mountains, we were on our way to Xilitla for a late, but excellent
dinner.
Tuesday was tourist day. We spent most of the day visiting Las Pozas
de Edward James, and then drove towards Rio Verde and camped at Media
Luna, a small park outside the city and a great place to swim.
We visited our last cave on Wednesday just off the highway towards San
Luis Potosi, in the Valle de los Fantasmas, where Alex knew some caves
he had been visiting years ago. Looking for Llantas, a pit with a 60 m
drop, we first ended up mistaking a nearby, shallow sinkhole for it
and decided that it must have been filled with trash and debris in the
years that had passed. This lead to us rigging Encino Rojo instead, a
little pit just deep enough to make my 30 m rope not reach the bottom
by a couple of meters, and with an average diameter of maybe 3 m and
some flowstone to admire – good enough to briefly drop down for a look
without taking any backup gear? When it was my turn, I arrived at the
end of the rope realizing that I had forgotten to bring the footloop
for my frog system with me. This resulted at first in a foolish
attempt to turn my chest harness into a footloop, which would have
worked over the short distance if I had not relied on its plastic
buckle to hold my entire weight – standing up in it resulted in the
buckle popping open and the harness falling onto a ledge out of reach.
Now without both footloop and chest harness, and not much rope below
me to turn into a loop to stand in, I finally ended up using a 50 cm
or so piece of Prussik cord that I was carrying on my harness as a
rather short footloop. Lesson learned. We went to take a brief look
down the “real” (and very impressive) Llantas pit that Alex had
located in the meantime with the help of a local passerby, and then
hit the road.
Around 5 pm, we dropped Alex off in the periphery of San Luis Potosi,
where he was going to visit with his mother, and then continued North
to Saltillo, stopping at a hotel around 10:30 pm. Thursday morning we
got on the road around 8 am and, taking the toll roads towards Nuevo
Laredo, made it to the border in 3.5 hours. Our 1700 mile-long trip
ended shortly before 4 pm in Gary’s driveway back in Austin.
Notes on gear and preparation:
* The Talon rope I bought from PMI seemed to suffer from sheath
slippage – I knew that there was a problem that had supposedly been
fixed by summer 2007, but in contradiction of my memory I may have
bought my rope before the problem had been fixed. This resulted in
about a meter or two of very loose sheath right below the spot where
Gary, Joe and I had gotten off our racks, and in the chest ascenders
noticeably pulling down the sheath for few millimeters after grabbing
the rope while climbing out. Not a big deal all in all. Apart from
that, I thought that the rope was noticeably less stretchy than an all-
Nylon rope and very nice to climb on.
* I was using an ABC chest ascender, and while I like the metal
trigger that you pull on in order to disengage the cam completely (vs.
the plastic one on newer Petzl crolls), it happened about half a dozen
times while climbing out of Golondrinas that the cam would stay open
(in the “thumbed down” position) after moving the ascender up the rope
and sitting down, instead of grabbing the rope, resulting in some
cursing and fiddling on my end. I was wearing a loose shirt that would
wrinkle a little bit. The trigger, which has a slightly inward-bent
shape, would rub against the shirt, and due to the much weaker spring
(compared to the Petzl ascender) that pulls the cam into the closed
position, it would just stay there instead of being pulled back and
grabbing the rope. Very annoying – I am going back to using Petzl’s
croll.
* Both Gary and Joe complained about their legs falling asleep during
the descent into Golondrinas – fortunately not more than that. This
didn’t happen to me. (Maybe because of my speedy descent?) A general
precaution against this could be to rig a footloop to your rack that
you can occasionally stand up in to take weight off the leg loops of
your seat harness – I heard this recommendation from several people.
Also, per Philip’s recommendation, I was wearing bike shorts under my
normal shorts, which provided for a very smooth ride.
* I believe that the trip into Guaguas on the day before Golondrinas
served as a worthwhile real-life check/preparation (getting used to
long drops, elevation, etc.) for everybody. I made Gary, Joe and
myself climb the Golondrinas rope in its full length in the treadmill
back in Austin to be sure that we would be able to climb the distance,
but this is of course not quite the same as looking down a deep pit.
--
David Ochel - d...@ochel.net
---- Nancy Weaver <nan...@io.com> wrote:
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Sorry if this has been posted before, I just saw this article in the
magazine. Kudos to BCI, beautiful design.
http://www.texasarchitect.org/ta200809-batcave.php?sess_id=ba35ad5beefd90245
845acbdc3087751
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Very cool design, but I do wonder about something. The statement said: The
building also uses harvested ammonia-rich bat guano as a source of hydrogen
fuel to conserve energy consumption. Is there any danger that this will
interfere with the in-cave biosphere?
From: rdmilhollin@charter.netTo: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org;
texascavers@texascavers.comCC: allcavers@metroplexcavers.orgDate: Fri, 5 Sep
2008 12:41:02 -0500Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Architect Magazine: Bracken Bat
Cave Visitor's Center
Sorry if this has been posted before, I just saw this article in the magazine.
Kudos to BCI, beautiful design.
http://www.texasarchitect.org/ta200809-batcave.php?sess_id=ba35ad5beefd90245845acbdc3087751
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No. Actually, that statement is purely theoretical at this point
anyhow, and likely will not be implemented.
Jim "Crash" Kennedy
Cave Resources Specialist, BCI
From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:04 PM
To: rdmilhol...@charter.net; List: Cowtown Grotto; List: TexasCavers
Cc: List: Metroplex Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Texas Architect Magazine: Bracken Bat Cave
Visitor's Center
The building also uses harvested ammonia-rich bat guano as a source of
hydrogen fuel to conserve energy consumption. Is there any danger that
this will interfere with the in-cave biosphere?
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Round 2 of the Camp Eagle cave project is scheduled for Sept 19-21.
On the first trip we surveyed a recently discovered cave, and found one
new cave entrance.
This trip we need to survey the new cave, and there are plenty more
acres to search. Several good caves are nearby so this property has
great potential. The camping area is level and has plenty of trees, and
the river is a wonderful place to cool off after a day of caving.
Showers and rest rooms are also available. See Matt's email for
additional info and camping options and prices.
Be sure to read the rules and regs below. We will all have to sign
release forms.
More info including maps etc at http://campeagle.org/
Please email me if you plan on attending so I can let Matt know how many
to expect. If you need the map attachments, or other info please let me
know and I'll send them to you.
Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: m...@campeagle.org [mailto:m...@campeagle.org]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:27 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking
Subject: RE: Camp Eagle - Ridge Walking
Kurt,
That would be great! This time, I think I'll be able to hang out with
you guys some more and go exploring too! My only concern is that it
seems so soon for people to make solid plans. However, those dates are
great for us and anyone from the group could use any of the lodging that
we have to offer. We want to continue to offer housing to you guys for
cheap but there will be discounted rates for lodging this time.
They could stay in:
Screen shelter cabins - $15/night (sleep up to 4) Tent camping
($5/night) RV $10/night (no dumping) Rent a bed in a hostel room
($10/night) Rent a hotel-style room. ($50/night)
Also, we don't have any groups here that weekend that are having meals
cooked for them. So, our staff won't be cooking that weekend. However,
we have some large grills around camp that can be used by anyone who
wants. We also have that small kitchen available for anyone to use for:
cooking, microwave, food storage, refrigeration, stove top, etc.
I've attached a few documents for you to take a look at. Everyone that
comes will need to know that they will need to sign this waiver when
they get here and a caving waiver provided by a caving organization,
which I have a copy of as well.
I hope that helps. Please let me know if you need any more information
or need me to do anything to help you get this thing going. You know I
would love to help out.
Thanks Kurt,
Matt Reed
Camp Eagle
Retreats Director
830.683.2330
m...@campeagle.org
www.campeagle.org
Rules & Regulations
Terms and Conditions
Updated 11/8/2007
1. We are a Christian family and youth oriented camp. Please keep
this in mind in all that you do. Be respectful in your language and
actions.
2. Any person directly or indirectly responsible for disruptive,
destructive, or violent conduct which endangers the property or the
health, safety, or lives of persons or animals will be removed from Camp
Eagle.
3. Waiver of Liability must be signed before participating in any
activity at Camp Eagle. Please note that participants under the age of
18 must have a waiver signed by a parent/guardian. If you do not sign a
waiver you are considered a trespasser and will be asked to sign a
waiver or to leave the property.
4. Children 15 and under must be accompanied by an adult.
FAQ
Can I bring my pet to Camp Eagle with me?
We do not allow visitors to bring their pets to camp.
Can I build a fire?
Fires are only allowed in existing fire rings and in fire bowls that may
be provided by the camp if available. Please do not start an
unauthorized ground fire due to possible burn ban conditions.
Can I cookout when I am at camp?
Yes you can cook out! However, you must bring your own grill or stove
in order to do so.
Can I use the river?
Yes, you are welcome to swim, kayak and canoe in the river. However,
the main waterfront, which includes the blob, iceberg, water trampoline,
etc., is NOT open to the public unless scheduled with Camp Eagle staff.
We request that you enjoy the river on the sections above or below our
main waterfront, not via the main camp staircase.
Can I use the game room or other Main Camp features?
Other than the Bathhouse, all main camp features and buildings are not
open to the public unless scheduled with Camp Eagle staff. Feel free to
enjoy the rest of our beautiful 1400 acres.
Can I fish or hunt at camp?
We do not allow hunting on Camp Eagle property; violators will be
prosecuted. We do allow fishing in all areas except the main camp
waterfront. Fishing is catch and release only with a valid TPWD
license.
Do you have gray water discharge?
We do not offer sewer facilities for RV's and we do not have facilities
for gray water dumping.
Where do we take our trash at the end of our stay?
We do not offer trash disposal. As with everything else, we ask that
you "pack it in, pack it out."
What else should we know?
Banned items include, but are not limited to:
No vehicles on 4x4 roads No dirt bikes on any
trails
No fireworks No collecting of rocks, antlers,
arrowheads, etc
No knives/weapons No bb/paintball/airsoft
guns or any other firearms
General Information
* We are a family oriented camp; please use discretion when
consuming alcohol or tobacco. No consumption of alcohol or use of
tobacco products is allowed in or around any camp buildings. Violation
of this, or public intoxication, will be grounds for removal from Camp
Eagle. Smokers please pack out or throw away your cigarette butts.
* First aid is not provided; we do not have a nurse on staff.
Participation of any activities is at your own risk.
Biking
* HELMETS MUST BE WORN PROPERLY AT ALL TIMES WHEN ON A BIKE. NO
EXUSES, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Climbing
* Camp Eagle groups have priority on all climbs at any time.
* You must have your own equipment; we do not loan out or rent
ours.
* Helmets must be worn at all times when climbing, belaying or on
the rock surface next to the wooden deck.
**Large events and races are different. Contact us for race/event
details.
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Kurt;Barb and I were there last time and plan on comming up again-probably
on the 20th-sign us up. John Tirums,Barbara Noffsinger. Thanks Kurt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt L. Menking" <gi...@bcad.org>
To: <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Cc: <m...@campeagle.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Camp Eagle - Ridge Walking Sept 19-21
Round 2 of the Camp Eagle cave project is scheduled for Sept 19-21.
On the first trip we surveyed a recently discovered cave, and found one
new cave entrance.
This trip we need to survey the new cave, and there are plenty more
acres to search. Several good caves are nearby so this property has
great potential. The camping area is level and has plenty of trees, and
the river is a wonderful place to cool off after a day of caving.
Showers and rest rooms are also available. See Matt's email for
additional info and camping options and prices.
Be sure to read the rules and regs below. We will all have to sign
release forms.
More info including maps etc at http://campeagle.org/
Please email me if you plan on attending so I can let Matt know how many
to expect. If you need the map attachments, or other info please let me
know and I'll send them to you.
Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: m...@campeagle.org [mailto:m...@campeagle.org]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:27 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking
Subject: RE: Camp Eagle - Ridge Walking
Kurt,
That would be great! This time, I think I'll be able to hang out with
you guys some more and go exploring too! My only concern is that it
seems so soon for people to make solid plans. However, those dates are
great for us and anyone from the group could use any of the lodging that
we have to offer. We want to continue to offer housing to you guys for
cheap but there will be discounted rates for lodging this time.
They could stay in:
Screen shelter cabins - $15/night (sleep up to 4) Tent camping
($5/night) RV $10/night (no dumping) Rent a bed in a hostel room
($10/night) Rent a hotel-style room. ($50/night)
Also, we don't have any groups here that weekend that are having meals
cooked for them. So, our staff won't be cooking that weekend. However,
we have some large grills around camp that can be used by anyone who
wants. We also have that small kitchen available for anyone to use for:
cooking, microwave, food storage, refrigeration, stove top, etc.
I've attached a few documents for you to take a look at. Everyone that
comes will need to know that they will need to sign this waiver when
they get here and a caving waiver provided by a caving organization,
which I have a copy of as well.
I hope that helps. Please let me know if you need any more information
or need me to do anything to help you get this thing going. You know I
would love to help out.
Thanks Kurt,
Matt Reed
Camp Eagle
Retreats Director
830.683.2330
m...@campeagle.org
www.campeagle.org
Rules & Regulations
Terms and Conditions
Updated 11/8/2007
1. We are a Christian family and youth oriented camp. Please keep
this in mind in all that you do. Be respectful in your language and
actions.
2. Any person directly or indirectly responsible for disruptive,
destructive, or violent conduct which endangers the property or the
health, safety, or lives of persons or animals will be removed from Camp
Eagle.
3. Waiver of Liability must be signed before participating in any
activity at Camp Eagle. Please note that participants under the age of
18 must have a waiver signed by a parent/guardian. If you do not sign a
waiver you are considered a trespasser and will be asked to sign a
waiver or to leave the property.
4. Children 15 and under must be accompanied by an adult.
FAQ
Can I bring my pet to Camp Eagle with me?
We do not allow visitors to bring their pets to camp.
Can I build a fire?
Fires are only allowed in existing fire rings and in fire bowls that may
be provided by the camp if available. Please do not start an
unauthorized ground fire due to possible burn ban conditions.
Can I cookout when I am at camp?
Yes you can cook out! However, you must bring your own grill or stove
in order to do so.
Can I use the river?
Yes, you are welcome to swim, kayak and canoe in the river. However,
the main waterfront, which includes the blob, iceberg, water trampoline,
etc., is NOT open to the public unless scheduled with Camp Eagle staff.
We request that you enjoy the river on the sections above or below our
main waterfront, not via the main camp staircase.
Can I use the game room or other Main Camp features?
Other than the Bathhouse, all main camp features and buildings are not
open to the public unless scheduled with Camp Eagle staff. Feel free to
enjoy the rest of our beautiful 1400 acres.
Can I fish or hunt at camp?
We do not allow hunting on Camp Eagle property; violators will be
prosecuted. We do allow fishing in all areas except the main camp
waterfront. Fishing is catch and release only with a valid TPWD
license.
Do you have gray water discharge?
We do not offer sewer facilities for RV's and we do not have facilities
for gray water dumping.
Where do we take our trash at the end of our stay?
We do not offer trash disposal. As with everything else, we ask that
you "pack it in, pack it out."
What else should we know?
Banned items include, but are not limited to:
No vehicles on 4x4 roads No dirt bikes on any
trails
No fireworks No collecting of rocks, antlers,
arrowheads, etc
No knives/weapons No bb/paintball/airsoft
guns or any other firearms
General Information
* We are a family oriented camp; please use discretion when
consuming alcohol or tobacco. No consumption of alcohol or use of
tobacco products is allowed in or around any camp buildings. Violation
of this, or public intoxication, will be grounds for removal from Camp
Eagle. Smokers please pack out or throw away your cigarette butts.
* First aid is not provided; we do not have a nurse on staff.
Participation of any activities is at your own risk.
Biking
* HELMETS MUST BE WORN PROPERLY AT ALL TIMES WHEN ON A BIKE. NO
EXUSES, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Climbing
* Camp Eagle groups have priority on all climbs at any time.
* You must have your own equipment; we do not loan out or rent
ours.
* Helmets must be worn at all times when climbing, belaying or on
the rock surface next to the wooden deck.
**Large events and races are different. Contact us for race/event
details.
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At 12:41 PM 9/5/2008, RD Milhollin wrote:
I just saw this article in the magazine. Kudos to BCI, beautiful design.
You will notice, I hope, that the Texas Society of Architects has
unceremoniously usurped the initials TSA without the slightest
pretense of shame.
--Ediger
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W's gestapo has taken on that moniker as well......
On 9/5/08 8:21 PM, "Gill Ediger" <gi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> At 12:41 PM 9/5/2008, RD Milhollin wrote:
>> I just saw this article in the magazine. Kudos to BCI, beautiful design.
>>
>
> You will notice, I hope, that the Texas Society of Architects has
> unceremoniously usurped the initials TSA without the slightest
> pretense of shame.
>
> --Ediger
>
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Hello
I just found this on youtube.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbrd56jFpc0&feature=PlayList&p=1C50ADF0E7843003&index=0&playnext=1
Walter
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I am disposing of the following cave-related books. Cavers get first shot
before they go elsewhere. All are in very good to excellent condition. Best
offer gets the book; in the event of a tie, earliest offer wins. I will
deliver to any buyers who are attending either the Sandia Grotto 50th
anniversary dinner or TCR. Cash or check in person; PayPal if mailed. If
sent by mail, it will be Media Mail (book rate) unless you want it sent some
other way. Will advise of postage cost when destination is known. Offer will
remain open until Sept 18 as I will be traveling cross-country until then.
Highest bidder gets the book. Please respond off list to casto...@gmail.com
Thank you.
Stephen Fleming
Year Published Title Author Binding 1978 1978 Annual Report, Cave
Research Foundation Steve G Wells Stapled 1996 1996 NSS Convention
Guidebook; Colorado Rob Kolstad Paperback 1977 1997 NSS Convention
Guidebook; Missouri Robert L Taylor Paperback 1998 1998 NSS Convention
Guidebook, Tennessee NSS Paperback 1999 1999 NSS Convention Guidebook,
Idaho Thomas Kline Paperback 2000 2000 NSS Convention Guidebook, West
Virginia National Speleological Society Paperback 2001 2001 NSS Convention
Guidebook; Kentucky National Speleological Society Paperback 2002 2002 NSS
Convention Guidebook; Maine Mike Nardacci Paperback 2003 2003 NSS
Convention Guidebook; California Merrilee Proffitt Paperback 2004 2004 NSS
Convention Guidebook, Michigan NSS Paperback 1971 A Preliminary
Bibliography of Mexican Cave Biology; AMCS Bulletin #3 James R Reddell
Paperback 1977 A Preliminary Survey of the Caves of the Yucatan Peninsula;
AMCS Bulletin #6 James R Reddell Paperback 1985 AMCS Activities Newsletter,
Number 15 AMCS Paperback 1971 AMCS Bulletin 4, Studies on the Cavernicole
Fauna of Mexico James R Reddell & Robert W Mitchell Paperback 1977 AMCS
Bulletin 6, Studies on the Caves and Cave Fauna of the Yucatan Peninsula James
R Reddell Paperback 1977 AMCS Bulletin 7, Caves of the San Juan Plateau Bill
Stone & Roy Jameson Paperback 1983 Audubon, May 1983 (article, page 86: The
Darkest Frontier) Audubon Society Paperback 1979 Basic Cave Diving, A
Blueprint for Survival Sheck Exley Paperback 1975 Cave Research Foundation
Personnel Manual John P Freeman Comb 1978 Caves and Karst Hydrogeology of
the Southeastern Edwards Plateau, Texas NSS Paperback 1973 Caves of
Colorado Lloyd E Parris Hardbound 1989 Caves of Mexico Terry Raines
Hardbound 1978 Caves of Montana, Bulletin 105 Newell P Campbell Paperback
1967 Caves of the Inter-American Highway; AMCS Bulletin 1 (photocopied
reproduction) William H Russell & Terry W Raines Comb 1977 Caves of the San
Juan Plateau, AMCS Bulletin #7 Bill Stone & Roy Jameson Paperback 1976 Caves
of Wyoming, Bulletin 59 Geologic Survey of Wyoming Paperback 1994 El
Malpais, Mt Taylor, and the Zuni Mountains Sherry Robinson Paperback
1972 Geology
of the Craters of the Moon National Monument Harold T Stearns Stapled
1975 Hill-Caves
of the Yucatan Henry C Mercer Paperback 1978 Inventory & Evaluation of Cave
Resources Impacted by the New Melones Reservoir Project J Michael McEachern
& Mark A Grady Paperback 1979 Nikon World, Vol 12, Number 1 (cave article)
Nikon Stapled 1992 Nylon Highway, No 35 NSS Vertical Section Paperback
1993 Nylon Highway, No 36 NSS Vertical Section Paperback 1967 Saltpetre
Mining in Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Burton Faust Paperback 1998 Southern
California Grotto, 50th Year Various Comb 1971 Studies of the Cavernicole
Fauna of Mexico, AMCS Bulletin #4 James R Reddell & Robert W Mitchell
Paperback 1973 Studies on the Cavernicole Fauna of Mexico and Adjacent
Regions, AMCS Bulletin #5 Robert W Mitchell & James R Reddell Hardbound
1973 The Amateur's Guide to Caves and Caving David R McClurg Paperback
1977 The
Jewel Cave Adventure Herb & Jan Conn Hardbound 1975 The Lives of Bats D.W.
Yalden & P.A. Morris Hardbound 1976 The World of Caves AC Waltham Hardbound
1971 Wilderness Resources in Mammoth Cave National Park Joseph K Davidson
Stapled 1979 Wind Cave National Park Service Paperback
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