texascavers Digest 11 Sep 2008 22:06:28 -0000 Issue 604
Topics (messages 8899 through 8911):
CAVES - not political
8899 by: Fritz Holt
8900 by: mark.alman.l-3com.com
8901 by: Minton, Mark
Nominations for TSA Officers
8902 by: Linda Palit
Pictures of underground lakes
8903 by: Joe Ranzau
8904 by: mark.alman.l-3com.com
8909 by: Fritz Holt
Park Service repairs vandalized ruins
8905 by: Louise Power
8911 by: Nancy Weaver
CBSP this weekend
8906 by: Jim Kennedy
8910 by: mark gee
Ike to leave CBSP a little wet, but none the worse for wear
8907 by: Jim Kennedy
Nominations!
8908 by: Linda Palit
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GREETINGS!
I meant to post this in July and again in August but didn't get around to it.
The Houston Chronicle had two most interesting articles on caves in the travel
section in recent months. Some of you may have seen them in this or your local
paper. Both have great color pictures. The first is of Dean's Blue Hole on
Andros Island in The Bahamas and is spectacular. The article is confined to
page J-7 of the 7-13-08 edition. The second is on Carlsbad Caverns and is in
the August 24, 2008 Sunday edition on the first page of section J and continues
on page 4. Page 2 also features the 10 favorite outdoor destinations in Texas.
I'm not very good at it but most of you can access these articles on
chron.com/travel and it will make you want to be there.
Fritz
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Here's the CaCa link:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/travel/rss/5956472.html
and here's the Andros Island link:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/travel/rss/5717698.html
<http://www.chron.com/travel/photogallery/Carlsban_Caverns.html>
The CaCa link is especially good and sums up why CaCa Np is still my favorite
cave!
Mark
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From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Tue 9/9/2008 1:51 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] CAVES - not political
GREETINGS!
I meant to post this in July and again in August but didn't get around to it.
The Houston Chronicle had two most interesting articles on caves in the travel
section in recent months. Some of you may have seen them in this or your local
paper. Both have great color pictures. The first is of Dean's Blue Hole on
Andros Island in The Bahamas and is spectacular. The article is confined to
page J-7 of the 7-13-08 edition. The second is on Carlsbad Caverns and is in
the August 24, 2008 Sunday edition on the first page of section J and continues
on page 4. Page 2 also features the 10 favorite outdoor destinations in Texas.
I'm not very good at it but most of you can access these articles on
chron.com/travel and it will make you want to be there.
Fritz
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>The Houston Chronicle had two most interesting articles on caves in the travel
>section in recent months.
Thanks Fritz, and to Mark Alman for the links. Interesting stories, but
as usual, the reporter doesn't do a very good job of fact checking. She claims
Carlsbad's Big Room is the second largest in the world. Bob Gulden lists it as
no. 20 <http://www.caverbob.com/room.htm>, and Fabien Darne has it at no. 23
<http://fabien.darne.free.fr/speleo/grandes_salles/>. Several rooms in Mexico
and Belize are larger.
Mark Minton
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Nominations for TSA Officers for 2009 are now open. Please send me name of
those you would like to nominate, and I will contact and see if they are
willing to run. Nominations will be open until September 22, which is a
month. Ballots then can be prepared.
In the interest of making the vice president's job of organizing the Spring
TSA Convention easier, it was decided at the last TSA Meeting to have
elections earlier in the fall so that the new or continuing TSA Vice Chair
could organize the Spring Convention in a more timely way, since
reservations are required very early at many facilities.
Please send in those nominations as soon as possible.
I will answer individuals who send in nominations and indicate whether or
not the person accepted. I will periodically send out an updated slate to
this list.
Thanks,
Linda Palit
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http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/underground-lakes-river/2190
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Very nice pictures, Joe, especially of Hamilton Pool.
That is one of my favorite swimmin' holes in the state!
Mark
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From: Joe Ranzau [mailto:jran...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:05 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Pictures of underground lakes
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/underground-lakes-river/21
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Dead Man's Hole in the same general area (9000 McGregor Lane) is almost
identical but not as accessible and borders Lance Armstrong's property. In
about 1978 when the Hurlbut brothers were subdividing their ranch, I could have
purchased 57 acres opposite what is now the Armstrong property, including half
of the hole and its creek all the way to the Pedernales River for the asking
price of $3,000. per acre. Now a 5 acre lot at the above address was for sale
at $295,000. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.
One of my several regrets.
Fritz
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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:55 PM
To: Joe Ranzau; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Pictures of underground lakes
Very nice pictures, Joe, especially of Hamilton Pool.
That is one of my favorite swimmin' holes in the state!
Mark
________________________________
From: Joe Ranzau [mailto:jran...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:05 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Pictures of underground lakes
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/underground-lakes-river/2190
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An interesting article on what the Park Service is trying to do to repair the
vandalism to and deterioration of some of the Service's oldest sites. These
include contemporary graffiti in shelter caves and other habitation sites.
http://travel.msn.com/Guides/article.aspx?cp-documentid=616373
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An interesting article on what the Park Service is trying to do to
repair the vandalism to and deterioration of some of the Service's
oldest sites. These include contemporary graffiti in shelter
caves and other habitation sites.
ah what a dilemna graffiti is and arent we grateful that historic
and prehistoric graffiti (cave art, inscriptions over 50 years old)
werent 'repaired' contemporaneously. and would it be vandalism to
clean up ancient graffiti?
Nancy
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Cavers,
Don't forget that this weekend is the first fall Project weekend at
Colorado Bend State Park. We will be camping at the new Caver Camp just
inside the Park gate. We are aware of Hurricane Ike barreling its way
in that direction, but we are going ahead with the event anyhow. We
will likely have the Conference Center at Gorman Falls available for
Saturday night in case of emergency, but not Friday. There are already
scheduled survey trips to Gorman Creek Crevice Cave and the Lost Petzl
Cave System, as well as some surface work. If anyone else wants to lead
a specific trip out there this weekend, let me know and I will find you
some participants. Contact me off list if you have questions or need
more information.
-- Jim K.
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If it rains much we will avoid Gorman Creek Crevice and instead go back into
Lemons Ranch and try to finish that survey.
Mark G
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From: Jim Kennedy <jkenn...@batcon.org>
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:52:13 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] CBSP this weekend
Cavers,
Don’t forget that this weekend is the first fall Project weekend at Colorado
Bend StatePark. We will be camping at the new Caver Camp just inside the Park
gate. We are aware of Hurricane Ikebarrelingits way in that direction, but we
are going aheadwith theevent anyhow. We will likely have the Conference Center
at Gorman Falls available for Saturday nightin case of emergency, but not
Friday. There are already scheduled survey trips to Gorman Creek Crevice Cave
andthe Lost Petzl Cave System, as well as some surface work. If anyone else
wants to lead a specific trip out there this weekend, let me know and I will
find you some participants.Contact me off list if you have questions or need
moreinformation.
-- Jim K.
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The latest from the National Weather Service:
Special Weather Statement
MONTAGUE-COOKE-GRAYSON-FANNIN-LAMAR- YOUNG-JACK-WISE-DENTON-COLLIN-
HUNT- DELTA-HOPKINS-STEPHENS-PALO PINTO- PARKER-TARRANT-DALLAS-
ROCKWALL- KAUFMAN-VAN ZANDT-RAINS-EASTLAND-ERATH- HOOD-SOMERVELL-
JOHNSON-ELLIS- HENDERSON-COMANCHE-MILLS-HAMILTON- BOSQUE-HILL-
NAVARRO-FREESTONE- ANDERSON-LAMPASAS-CORYELL-BELL- MCLENNAN-FALLS-
LIMESTONE-LEON-MILAM- ROBERTSON- 412 PM CDT WED SEP 10 2008
...HURRICANE IKE WILL SUBSTANTIALLY IMPACT NORTH TEXAS SATURDAY AND
SUNDAY...
HURRICANE IKE WILL MAKE LANDFALL ALONG THE MIDDLE TEXAS COAST DURING THE
EARLY MORNING HOURS SATURDAY. THE HURRICANE WILL MOVE QUICKLY NORTH...
GENERALLY ALONG THE INTERSTATE 35 CORRIDOR OVER THE WEEKEND. AT THIS
TIME...IKE IS EXPECTED TO WEAKEN TO TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH BY SATURDAY
AFTERNOON AS THE SYSTEM MOVES INTO CENTRAL TEXAS. BY SUNDAY AFTERNOON...
REMNANTS OF IKE WILL BE NORTH OF THE RED RIVER.
WHILE THE STORM WILL BE WEAKENING AS IT MOVES ACROSS NORTH TEXAS...
SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS ARE LIKELY. WIDESPREAD HEAVY RAINFALL OF 4 OR MORE
INCHES...STRONG WINDS...AND ISOLATED TORNADOES ARE ANTICIPATED.
ADDITIONALLY...ISOLATED TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE NEAR AND TO THE EAST
OF THE TRACK OF THE CENTER OF THE STORM.
...WIND IMPACTS...
ALL OF NORTH TEXAS WILL EXPERIENCE STRONG WINDS AS A RESULT OF IKE. OVER
CENTRAL TEXAS...INCLUDING THE WACO/TEMPLE/KILLEEN AREAS... SUSTAINED
WINDS IN EXCESS OF 50 MPH WITH GUSTS TO HURRICANE FORCE ARE POSSIBLE
SATURDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY. FURTHER NORTH...SUSTAINED WINDS
OF 40 MPH OR HIGHER ARE EXPECTED WITH GUSTS TO 60 MPH ACROSS THE
INTERSTATE 20 CORRIDOR...INCLUDING THE DALLAS/FORT WORTH METROPLEX LATE
SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. HIGH RISE BUILDINGS MAY EXPERIENCE EVEN STRONGER
WINDS AT ROOFTOP LEVEL.
CITIZENS AND THOSE WITH INTERESTS ACROSS NORTH TEXAS SHOULD BE PREPARED
FOR POWER OUTAGES AND TAKE PRECAUTIONS TO SECURE OUTDOOR MATERIALS AND
BELONGINGS THAT ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO STRONG WINDS.
...HEAVY RAINFALL AND FLOODING IMPACTS...
WIDESPREAD HEAVY RAINFALL OF 4 INCHES IS LIKELY LATE SATURDAY THROUGH
SUNDAY WITH LOCALIZED AMOUNTS TO NEAR 8 INCHES POSSIBLE. THE WIDESPREAD
AND HEAVY NATURE OF THE RAIN WILL LEAD TO RAPID RISES ON
RIVERS...STREAMS...AND CREEKS WITH FLOODING LIKELY.
...TORNADO THREAT...
ISOLATED TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE NEAR AND TO THE EAST OF THE CENTER
OF IKE AS IT MOVES ACROSS NORTH TEXAS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS FROM IKE WILL DEPEND ON THE EXACT TRACK AND
SPEED OF MOVEMENT. THE STRONGEST WINDS AND GREATEST CHANCES FOR VERY
HEAVY RAINFALL AND TORNADOES TYPICALLY OCCUR TO THE EAST OF THE CENTER
OF THE STORM. MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THESE IMPACTS WILL BE PROVIDED IN
LATER FORECASTS.
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Have you been thinking about who you would like to see for TSA officers?
Please send in those nominations!
Thanks,
Linda
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