texascavers Digest 14 Sep 2008 01:59:28 -0000 Issue 605
Topics (messages 8912 through 8915):
Re: Park Service repairs vandalized ruins
8912 by: J. LaRue Thomas
8913 by: Ted Samsel
Putting An APB Out for Ed Goff, Michelle and Paul Bryant, and James Nance
8914 by: Mark Alman
TCR Speleolympics and Declaration of Challenge
8915 by: Ryan McCormick
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Graffiti definition (Webster): unauthorized writing or drawing on a public
surface. From Italian graffito (singular) graffiti (plural)
So unless the cave painting people were unauthorized, I guess their drawings
and paintings were always safe. We are still left thinking about the over 50
years ago but contemporary writing, though. Since the word wasn't in use in
English until 1946 maybe we didn't have the concept, either, so those
scribbles, carvings and paintings were safe before 1946 (except, of course,
from Italians). Jacqui
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From: "Nancy Weaver" <nan...@io.com>
To: <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Park Service repairs vandalized ruins
>An interesting article on what the Park Service is trying to do to repair
>the vandalism to and deterioration of some of the Service's oldest sites.
>These include contemporary graffiti in shelter caves and other habitation
>sites.
ah what a dilemna graffiti is and arent we grateful that historic and
prehistoric graffiti (cave art, inscriptions over 50 years old) werent
'repaired' contemporaneously. and would it be vandalism to clean up
ancient graffiti?
Nancy
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You had Euro-trash toffs and nobs on the Egyptian grand tour in the 19th c.
putting their mark on dynstic steles. Historic graffiti.
As are the scrawls of cowboys & herders in the Southwest..
Where one draws the line depends on the site(s).
T.
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>From: "J. LaRue Thomas" <jlrbi...@sonoratx.net>
>Sent: Sep 12, 2008 9:54 AM
>To: Texascavers@texascavers.com, Nancy Weaver <nan...@io.com>
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Park Service repairs vandalized ruins
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>Graffiti definition (Webster): unauthorized writing or drawing on a public
>surface. From Italian graffito (singular) graffiti (plural)
>
>So unless the cave painting people were unauthorized, I guess their drawings
>and paintings were always safe. We are still left thinking about the over 50
>years ago but contemporary writing, though. Since the word wasn't in use in
>English until 1946 maybe we didn't have the concept, either, so those
>scribbles, carvings and paintings were safe before 1946 (except, of course,
>from Italians). Jacqui
>
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>From: "Nancy Weaver" <nan...@io.com>
>To: <Texascavers@texascavers.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Park Service repairs vandalized ruins
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>> >An interesting article on what the Park Service is trying to do to repair
>> >the vandalism to and deterioration of some of the Service's oldest sites.
>> >These include contemporary graffiti in shelter caves and other habitation
>> >sites.
>>
>> ah what a dilemna graffiti is and arent we grateful that historic and
>> prehistoric graffiti (cave art, inscriptions over 50 years old) werent
>> 'repaired' contemporaneously. and would it be vandalism to clean up
>> ancient graffiti?
>>
>> Nancy
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I need y'all to contact me offline, as your address infor for The TEXAS CAVER
is faulty.
Your issues keep coming back to me.
Muchos gracias!
Mark Alman
Editor - The TC
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Howdy all,
As you may or may not know, the Aggie Speleological Society is again in charge
of the Speleolympics at TCR. One of the course obstacles currently in
discussion is the "Chug n' Slide," which involves a hearty beer chug followed
by a ride down a lubricated tarp. I was looking to get some suggestions from
the community (and, more importantly, the final approval of Allan Cobb) for
some natural lubricants for the slide; using a gallon of baby oil wouldn't be
too friendly to the area or the river. If there are any suggestions for a
biodegradable substance that could get on the ground and in the river, I would
like to hear them.
Secondly, I would like to formally issue a challenge to the student president
of the UT grotto for a wrestle in whatever type of pit we have this year at
TCR. Additionally, the other officers of the A&M grotto are willing to go head
to head against the student officers of the UT grotto. If you're willing, we'll
see you in the pit.
Take care,
Ryan McCormick
-President of the Aggie Speleological Society
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