Hey Brian, Funny you should ask. Yesterday on this network Mark Minton and Allan Cobb were discussing Tarbutton's Showerbath Cave which runs under the Blanco River in Hays County. I had never heard of it but it sounds like a cave that I would like to visit. I am sure that it must be on privately owned property. Fritz
________________________________ From: Brian Riordan [mailto:riordan.br...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:12 PM To: tra...@oztotl.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT again? Thanks Travis. I know it's always a difficult decision how to respond to something that might have offended you. Sometimes I feel responsible to defend my beliefs, and sometimes to just dispell some ignorance or misunderstandings. Sometimes I interpret a joke incorrectly and feel compelled to provide an opposing view. Maybe this is a response based on pride, maybe it's desire to to feel like I can open some eyes of others, or maybe it's the idea that I might be found weak in my beliefs if I don't speak up. No matter what the case, the reasons or the misunderstandings, it often grows exponentially and everyone involved either directly or not, end up wanting to either yell or put earplugs in. In addition to the nature of the volatile content, without tone of voice and expression, e-mail communications tend to exacerbate the problem. While it's sad, I feel that the subject may be best tabooed. In the end, however, the most important thing to remember is that even though we may argue, I still love you... almost as much as Jesus... *cough* :D Ok, but to bring it back to the reason this listserve exists: I've been trying to plan a summer caving trip to a water cave. The only one I've been to is Honeycreek (which I LOVED) but Kurt Menking has told me there most likely won't be any trips there this summer. Evidently many people consider it too hot to camp. Are there any other caves with ample water passage that I could take a few cavers to? Or is there anyone on this listserve with access/authority to a cave like this? Looking forward to some cool summer caving, -B On 7/10/08, tra...@oztotl.com<mailto:tra...@oztotl.com> <tra...@oztotl.com<mailto:tra...@oztotl.com>> wrote: Ok, just the other day I defended this list serve because it had been so pleasant of a place where topics of caving, and things caving related took place. I defended it to an upcoming leader of a Texas grotto who told me about the horror stories he has heard regarding the religious debates, diatribes, complete and total off topic rants that fill up the inbox. Just about the time I try hard to defend Texascavers and he actually listens to me telling him that every once in a while some good info that might help his growing grotto WILL actually come out, this OT subject comes up again and has already spawned a lot of responses.. If he has signed on and is reading this, I am sorry I ever suggested you join this listserve, the breeders and supporters of these OT subjects will obviously never change. You all may also consider that religion tends to be very poignant no matter which religion it is or isn't. This will hopefully remind you that some of you unfiltered and unwarranted beliefs might very easily offend some of your fellow cavers. Why would you want to do that? Anyways, I will bet that many reading this have been enjoying the caving related bliss of this (caving related) list serve, and I ask that we don't go back down this path, yet again.. If so, good people, like the upcoming grotto leader, will be out of touch with the local caving world because the list serve is mostly defunct, and I would hate to see that.. TS Religion/ re*li*gion, noun "A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion." -Invisible man who makes things -Things happening by themselves over an un-monitorable period of time in contradiction to accepted laws of physics Either one fits the bill I suppose. And from the perspective of the 'believer' of any opposing view, the other will appear to be ignorant or simplifying things to ease ridicule. But yah, OT... and once again I'm sucked into it like a black hole... -B On 7/10/08, speleoste...@tx.rr.com<mailto:speleoste...@tx.rr.com> <speleoste...@tx.rr.com<mailto:speleoste...@tx.rr.com>> wrote: Is this OT? ---- Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com<mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > As we used to say in East Texas, "Same difference."> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 > 08:54:52 -0700> From: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>> > To: gprichm...@gmail.com<mailto:gprichm...@gmail.com>; > bmorgan...@aol.com<mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com>> CC: > texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> Subject: RE: > [Texascavers] Hippie chix, healing> > That's just *one* religion. What about > the hundreds of other ones?> > -----Original Message-----> From: George-Paul > Richmann [mailto:gprichm...@gmail.com<mailto:gprichm...@gmail.com>] > > > Explain the difference between 'illusory' forms of religion and> religion? > George Carlin had a pretty good diatribe on the subject. ;-)> > "Religion has > actually convinced people that there's an invisible man> living in the sky > who watches everything you do, every minute of every> day. And the invisible > man has a special list of ten things he does> not want you to do. And if you > do any of these ten things, he has a> special place, full of fire and smoke > and burning and torture and> anguish, where he will send you to live and > suffer and burn and choke> and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end > of time!> > But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! "> > --GP> > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:32 AM, > <bmorgan...@aol.com<mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com>> wrote:> > What do shamanic > rituals, holographic medicine, holistic healing, and> > spiritualism all have > in common besides old hippie chix? They are all> > entirely illusory forms of > religion!> >> > Sleaze> > > > -- > George-Paul Richmann> (513) 490-3100> > gprichm...@gmail.com<mailto:gprichm...@gmail.com>> > -- > IMPORTANT NOTICE: > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also > be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the > sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use > it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. 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