Rick, No offence meant but I have to believe that many of the "cavers" are on this list for the social aspect, for caving information and opportunities. Some enjoy the OT subjects, educational information, current topics in the news as well as the irreverence to all things that some of us spew. As for caving opportunities, I wish that I could get away for the numerous work weekends which include caving at many of the state's premier parks and natural areas. I think that opportunities abound. I have a special interest in Goodenough Spring at the bottom of Lake Amistad. Have you dived there? Fritz
-----Original Message----- From: Rick [mailto:r...@linenoise.net] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:32 PM To: Fritz Holt; 'Corky' Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution I tried to start a site for likeminded individuals and no one really took to it, I will let the site expire end of this month. So I stayed on the mailing lists, and I put up with what I call "cave spam" which is a constant bombardment of email most of which has nothing to do with caving, and those that do have to do with caving few of those have anything to do with caving opportunities. The opportunities that do come up are usually in Mexico. When I ask about caves I am told "join a grotto" I did, and I joined mailing lists. I've asked for cave information, I get told, join lists, join grottos, no one gives it, understandable I understand conservation and punks that destroy, it's a big deal in cave diving or spring diving if that's your preference as well and have no beef, but if I have to sit and go through the slaughter of my inbox, I'm no longer interested. I'm a cave diver been doing it for years, love caves, in WV I didn't have to go through any of this I just went caving, figured I'd like to do some TX caving. Found out how thick politics are and I have to tell you my job is enough, I don't need it in my hobbies as well. I didn't join any lists or grotto's to be a social butterfly, a lot of the caving thing appears to be a social thing more than a caving thing, I've even people admit that in emails. That's cool, if that's peoples things, hey this is America enjoy, it's just not for me I'm in it for the caves. I'm still on my local grotto list as I don't get spammed by it and I'll continue to look for caving opportunities there. I don't care if everyone wants to talk about religion, politics, computers etc, I'm not bitter, did not request to be unsubscribed to rebel or protest or whatever, this just isn't for me. -----Original Message----- From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:36 PM To: Corky; Rick Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution Corky, I will not opt out for fear of missing something worthwhile, maybe even caving related. I do use my delete key on some subjects or on a repetitive caver (myself excluded). Don't leave as we need you, assuming that you are a dues paying member. As an alternative you could start your own web site for like-minded individuals. Fritz -----Original Message----- From: Corky [mailto:caveman2...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:47 AM To: Rick Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution Ditto! What is the unsubscribe link? I cannot believe a person from the grotto I helped create could spew such venom and hate. My daughter wonders why I will not take her to the meetings. I can show her one of the reasons now in black and white. You do not have to believe in God to follow the teachings of Jesus. Especially the part about everyone getting along with each other. Goodbye to all my friends and acquaintances, and good riddance to the rest of you. Cave Softly, Corky Rick wrote: > > How do I unsubscribe form this list? > > > > unsubscribe-texascav...@texascavers.com? > > > > *From:* Travis Scott [mailto:tra...@oztotl.com] > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 10:42 AM > *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution > > > > I have to chime in here and make a comment regarding the general > attitude and lack of respect of what seems to be many-a-caver on this > list... > > > > After taking this conversation from being a rude belittling argument > and turning it into a nice pleasant discussion regarding evolution and > religion (which I think many people were glad to finally see, thanks > Brian), it has now been taken full circle to the offensive, rude, and > dogmatic. I don't understand why the people on Texascavers can't be > polite, respectful and intelligent, especially when it comes to the > possibility of severely offending some fellow cavers, no matter what > the topic, religious or not. > > > > This conversation had actually matured from this sort of content and > now is back to crap again, thanks for that. > > > > I am almost constantly amazed at how rude, arrogant, dogmatic, and > down right offensive "Texas Cavers" can be. I find it impressive that > these people think they are soooo right, that ANYONE who believes > something different is, let me quote, "stupid". This is a public > forum, can't people make the slightest effort to be polite and > respectful to each other? Do you people act this way at work, to > family, to friends? If not, why do it to your fellow cavers? > > > > I do know of a good few folks that have actually been completely > turned off from and have quit caving by "cavers" that act this way, > specifically on this listserve too. By the way, there are also land > owners on this list, these are the people we need to respect and make > the biggest effort to show that we are somewhat intelligent, > RESPECTFUL and professional to. Piss them off and how will you ever > go caving (whats that?)? > > > > On another note, I agree with Linda. This whole thing is way off > topic. This list has increasingly gotten worse about OT subjects over > the last few months and is getting quite frustrating. In fact, > another list was even been set up so people that really care about > Caving (whats that again?) can actually talk about caving and not have > to filter through this shit to find it.. > > > > Sorry, had to throw that out.. > > > > Travis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Don Cooper <mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com> > > *To:* caverc...@maverickgrotto.org > <mailto:caverc...@maverickgrotto.org> > > *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com > <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 10:06 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Evolution -- the facts and theory > > > > OK. I am not going to try to convince anyone the earth is a > globe - and not flat. > Yet there are pea-brained people that think just that. Believe in > a Flat World? FINE. > If you aren't on the evolution bandwagon - If you think a magic > dude or specific plan was necessary to cause it all to happen - > FINE. You are limited. > Be stupid. I don't care! > Evolution is real. The creator is the mechanism itself. Old holy > presumptions are simply ignorant and why anyone holds on them is > NOT our problem. > Let's move on and just FORGET this creationism crap. > > Let the apologist speak for the weaknesses of their own faith. > But I don't care to listen. > > -WaV > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
