The miners who pull out the columns of coal are called (Grave Robbers) My 
brother-in-law used to work in a coal mine as a young man. 

Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com> wrote:      And the type of mining they 
were doing was particularly dangerous. When they mine a vein of coal, they 
follow the vein leaving pillars of coal to hold up the ceiling. When the vein 
has played out they try to get out the last of the coal by collapsing the 
pillars as they retreat and sending the coal to the top on a conveyor belt. Of 
course, in the process, there is a lot of additional colllapse. Most of the 
passages are about 8' high and 18' wide--pretty roomy compared to cave 
passageways. The problem is, as you can ascertain, it makes for a very unstable 
situation. 
  Even more, I've been concerned about the callous attitude of Bob Murray, 
owner of the mine. To see a bit of his attitude, check out the Salt Lake City 
Tribune article:
  http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6564581
  I continue to hope for the best, but fear the worst.
  Louise
  
    
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Natural Earthquakes vrs Mine Collapse

The discussion in the press involves a lot more than basic physics. Egos, 
liability, and more are behind the comments reported in the press.

>From the physics standpoint, point-explosions (whether quarry blasts, nuclear 
>tests, or most mine collapse) produce seismic records that are quite distinct 
>from earthquakes.

Earthquakes are messy things.  They release stress that has built up along a 
fault over a long period of time.  The fault does not tear all at once, so 
there is a fairly long period of time during which the rupture occurs.  Once 
that first failure occurs, then there is a period of stress readjustment and 
�aftershocks� when additional failure occurs at points close to the initial 
fracture, which release the rest of the built-up stress.  Therefore natural 
earthquakes produce a seismic record that is very messy and complicated, with a 
lot of wiggles and juggles.

Point explosions are relatively neat.  The seismic record produced is usually a 
sharp big jiggle followed by a decreasing series of smaller wiggles � like a 
single beat on a big drum.  That is how we can tell if a foreign power makes an 
unreported nuclear test.  Such a test does not produce the same kind of messy 
seismic signal as that produced by an earthquake.

A large mine collapse can be somewhere in between, so it is not necessarily 
immediately clear what occurred. The first bang caused by the initial mine 
collapse can be followed by secondary collapses as stress is redistributed and 
adjacent parts of the mine collapse as a result.  Each collapse event, however, 
produces a distinct and sharp signal.

So the academic seismologists have very good reasons when they say �It does 
not look like a natural earthquake�.

My bet is with them.

Dirtdoc

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