I run Windows Defender, Ad-Aware, Norton Systems Works and Norton Anti Spam on 
my computer and am sure the problem is not originating here. Many of the cavers 
in Travis and surrounding counties use cable based Austin Road Runner as their 
ISP. Your anti spam service is casting to broad a net when it eliminates an 
entire metropolitan area's primary high speed internet service. You should 
consider changing this service to one that is more discriminating.

I hope this can be resolved at your end as cavers should not have to change 
mail service to get on the list if they are not the cause of the problems.

Orion Knox
orion-k...@austin.rr.com 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charles Goldsmith 
  To: Orion Knox 
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:22 AM
  Subject: Re: Problem With Subscribing to Texascavers List


  I'm sure you aren't the spammer, but there are known spammers on your ISP's 
network.  You aren't the first person to complain of having this problem.  I 
suggest using a free email service like gmail for the mailing list.  You can 
even pop gmail's email into your own mail client. 

  The other alternative is to complain to your ISP and get them to stop the 
spamming users that live near you.

  Most spammers don't even know they are, they have computers, usually windows 
of some flavor, that isn't patched, and has been infected with a spam bot or 
trojan.  This allows the spammers to remotely use their computer and send out 
spam.  It makes your computer act really slow (compared to when you first 
bought it, assuming you haven't upgraded the OS) and slow your internet 
connection down to a crawl.  I know this because it happened to me once, so I 
had to educate myself  to repair the problem, and prevent it from happening 
again. 

  Let me know if I can help further
  Charles


  On 4/11/07, Orion Knox <orion-k...@austin.rr.com> wrote: 
    On Monday I sent in a "subscribe" e-mail to
    texascavers-subscr...@texascavers.com . Yesterday I received a notice that
    it had "fatal errors"?? and "reason: 451 Spam Received Recently See:
    http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?24.93.47.43)". I went to the web site
    listed and have spent the last two hours trying to wade through the nonsense
    presented. I am not a computer whiz and have no idea what their problem is. 
    I get the impression they think I'm a spammer or something.

    I was subscribed until about a month ago when I unsubscribed while I was on
    a three week trip to New Zealand and now I'm trying to get back on the 
list. 
    Is there anything you can do to resolve this problem? I assure you , I'm not
    a spammer.

    Orion Knox
    orion-k...@austin.rr.com




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