I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time and then you folks blame me. This is my forum as much as it is yours. All I did is post a view point I'm aligned with. If that effects your sensibilities then perhaps you need to re evaluate your social skills.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit <linda.k.pa...@gmail.com> wrote: > MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with you. > And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum. > Same to Charlie and David. > caving forum. > > Linda > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. 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Since the end of the 17th Century >> the "average global temperature" has been rising at the low steady rate >> mentioned above; although from 1940 – 1970 temperatures actually dropped, >> leading to a Global Cooling scare. >> >> The "hockey stick", a poster boy of both the UN's IPCC and Canada's >> Environment Department, ignores historical recorded climatic swings, and >> has now also been proven to be flawed and statistically unreliable as well. >> It is a computer construct and a faulty one at that. See *here >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=711>* for more information. >> >> >> >> *MYTH 3: Human produced carbon dioxide has increased over the last 100 >> years, adding to the Greenhouse effect, thus causing most of the earth's >> warming of the last 100 years.* >> >> FACT: Carbon dioxide levels have indeed changed for various reasons, >> human and otherwise, just as they have throughout geologic time. Since the >> beginning of the industrial revolution, the CO2 content of the >> atmosphere has increased by about 120 part per million (ppm), most of which >> is likely due to human-caused CO2 emissions. The RATE of growth during this >> century has been about 0.55%/year. However, there is no proof that CO2 is >> the main driver of global warming. As measured in ice cores dated over many >> thousands of years, CO2levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has >> done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological >> field work in recent sediments confirms this causal relationship. There is >> solid evidence that, as temperatures move up and down naturally and >> cyclically through solar radiation, orbital and galactic influences, the >> warming surface layers of the earth's oceans expel more CO2 as a result. >> >> >> >> *MYTH 4: CO2 is the most common greenhouse gas.* >> >> FACT: Greenhouse gases form about 3% of the atmosphere by volume. They >> consist of varying amounts, (about 97%) of water vapour and clouds, with >> the remainder being gases like CO2, CH4, Ozone and N2O, of which carbon >> dioxide is the largest amount. Hence, CO2 constitutes about 0.04% of the >> atmosphere. While the minor gases are more effective as "greenhouse agents" >> than water vapour and clouds, the latter are overwhelming the effect by >> their sheer volume and – in the end – are thought to be responsible for 75% >> of the "Greenhouse effect". (See here >> <https://friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/CO2_Versus_Water.html>) >> At current concentrations, a 3% change of water vapour in the atmosphere >> would have the same effect as a 100% change in CO2. >> >> Those attributing climate change to CO2 rarely mention these important >> facts. >> >> >> *MYTH 5: Computer models verify that CO2 increases will cause >> significant global warming.* >> >> FACT: The computer models assume that CO2 is the primary climate driver, >> and that the Sun has an insignificant effect on climate. Using the output >> of a model to verify its initial assumption is committing the logical >> fallacy of circular reasoning. Computer models can be made to roughly match >> the 20th century temperature rise by adjusting many input parameters and >> using strong positive feedbacks. They do not "prove" anything. Also, >> computer models predicting global warming are incapable of properly >> including the effects of the sun, cosmic rays and the clouds. The sun is a >> major cause of temperature variation on the earth surface as its received >> radiation changes all the time, This happens largely in cyclical fashion. >> The number and the lengths in time of sunspots can be correlated very >> closely with average temperatures on earth, e.g. the Little Ice Age and the >> Medieval Warm Period. Varying intensity of solar heat radiation affects the >> surface temperature of the oceans and the currents. Warmer ocean water >> expels gases, some of which are CO2. Solar radiation interferes with the >> cosmic ray flux, thus influencing the amount ionized nuclei which control >> cloud cover. >> >> >> *MYTH 6: The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change >> (IPCC) has proven that man–made CO2 causes global warming.* >> >> FACT: In a 1996 report by the UN on global warming, two statements were >> deleted from the final draft approved and accepted by a panel of >> scientists. Here they are: >> 1) “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we >> can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse >> gases.” >> 2) “No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the >> climate change to man–made causes” >> >> To the present day there is still no scientific proof that man-made CO2 >> causes significant global warming. >> >> See a Wall Street Journal article here >> <http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/WSJ_June12.pdf> >> . >> >> >> *MYTH 7: CO2 is a pollutant.* >> >> FACT: This is absolutely not true. Nitrogen forms 80% of our atmosphere. >> We could not live in 100% nitrogen either. Carbon dioxide is no more a >> pollutant than nitrogen is. CO2 is essential to life on earth. It is >> necessary for plant growth since increased CO2 intake as a result of >> increased atmospheric concentration causes many trees and other plants to >> grow more vigorously. Unfortunately, the Canadian Government has included >> CO2 with a number of truly toxic and noxious substances listed by the >> Environmental Protection Act, only as their means to politically control >> it. The graph *here >> <https://friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS%20Essay/Donohue_GRL_May2013.jpg>* >> shows >> changes in vegetative cover due to CO2 fertilization between 1982 and 2010 >> (Donohue et al., 2013 GRL). A major study *here >> <http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/co2benefits/co2benefits.php>* >> shows >> that CO2 fertilization will likely increase the value of crop production >> between now and 2050 by an additional *$11.7 trillion* ($US 2014). See *here >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=713>* for more discussion. >> >> >> *MYTH 8: Global warming will cause more storms and other weather >> extremes.* >> >> FACT: There is no scientific or statistical evidence whatsoever that >> supports such claims on a global scale. Regional variations may occur. >> Growing insurance and infrastructure repair costs, particularly in coastal >> areas, are sometimes claimed to be the result of increasing frequency and >> severity of storms, whereas in reality they are a function of increasing >> population density, escalating development value, and ever more media >> reporting. See *here >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=712#Severe_Weather>* for >> graphs and discussion of extreme weather. >> >> >> *MYTH 9: Receding glaciers and the calving of ice shelves are proof of >> man-made global warming.* >> >> FACT: Glaciers have been receding and growing cyclically for hundreds >> of years. Recent glacier melting is a consequence of coming out of the very >> cool period of the Little Ice Age. Ice shelves have been breaking off for >> centuries. Scientists know of at least 33 periods of glaciers growing and >> then retreating. It’s normal. Besides, changes to glacier's extent is >> dependent as much on precipitation as on temperature. >> >> >> * MYTH 10: The earth’s poles are warming and the polar ice caps are >> breaking up and melting.* >> >> FACT: The earth is variable. The Arctic Region had warmed from 1966 to >> 2005, due to cyclic events in the Pacific Ocean and soot from Asia >> darkening the ice, but there has been no warming since 2005. Current >> temperatures are the same as in 1943. The small Palmer Peninsula of >> Antarctica is getting warmer, while the main Antarctic continent is >> actually cooling. Ice cap thicknesses in both Greenland and Antarctica are >> increasing. North polar temperature graph here >> <https://friendsofscience.org/assets/images/North_pole_UAH_2005.jpg>. >> South polar temperature graph here >> <https://friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/South_Polar_Temperature_UAH.jpg>. >> See here <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=192> for sea ice >> extent. >> >> >> >> More FACTS and MYTHS? See what Professor deFreitas has to say. Click >> here <https://friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/deFreitas.pdf>. >> >> ABOUT US <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=1> | NEWS >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=1893> | ARTICLES >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=194> | VIDEO / AUDIO >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=2> | MYTHS / FACTS >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3> | BACKGROUND >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=234> >> HOME <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=694> | SITE MAP >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=12> | CONTACT >> <https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=144> >> >> web design & development by: <http://commerx.com/> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:07 AM Charles Loving <lovingi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> 'We're doomed': Mayer Hillman on the climate reality no one else will >>> dare mention >>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/26 >>> /were-doomed-mayer-hillman-on-the-climate-reality-no-one-else-will-dare-mention?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:58 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> From David Locklear >>>> ( Hit Delete Button as hard as you can ) >>>> >>>> Most of you are into nature topics. >>>> >>>> I saw a cow eat a large snake today. Not only did he or she seem to >>>> enjoy eating the snake, but acted like it was a routine thing that he or >>>> she does. >>>> >>>> The article in the link below discusses DNA of bovines. >>>> >>>> Some say, we are what we eat. Maybe eating snakes affects ones DNA ? >>>> It would seem that if cows routinely eat snakes, then all other such >>>> mammals also like to eat snakes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/01/01/how-a-quarter-of-the-cow-genome-came-from-snakes/ >>>> >>>> There is probably someway to twist this discussion and make it cave >>>> related. I will let someone else have a go at that. There are mammals >>>> that spend a lot of time in caves and snakes do like to hang out near cave >>>> entrances. >>>> >>>> I bet it is not healthy for any animal to eat a venomous snake. >>>> >>>> David Locklear >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Charlie Loving >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >
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