Sleazeweazel, Bruce Morgan, Bruce, SW:
Your posts to the Texascavers list have been coming through.
My email inbox holds the following (not counting ones I may have saved
separately or deleted):
11 from 5/26 to 11/3 2017, sent by Sleazeweazel
2 from 4/20 and 6/6 2018, sent by Bruce Morgan
10 from 3/31 to 7/21, &10/10 2018, sent by Bruce
You choose to be a fiercely independent person and caver, free of the
restrictions of organized trips, expeditions, grottos, meetings,
memberships, or anything that infringes on your right to be you.
Nothing wrong with that. I enjoy reading about your world-wide travels
and adventures told in a unique and perceptive writing style. I
definitely do not consider you an "imposter".
The cavers I know are also individuals in their own right, but choose
to participate in all of the above that you avoid because they feel they
can accomplish much more as a team, and develop life-long friendships.
Nothing wrong with that. They (we) do not shun you or think ill of you
because your are not a member of "MY" group. They just haven't shared
any caving or other friendship-building experiences with you, and that's
your choice.
You do what's right for you; they (we) do what's right for us.
Sincerely,
Logan McNatt
(MEMBER: NSS, TSS, TSA, TCMA, UTG and many non-caving groups)
On 10/10/2018 12:54 PM, Bruce wrote:
*I have heard it said many times, both to my face and otherwise, that
“The so called Weazel isn’t a ‘real’ caver”. It is true that I
generally dislike cold, wet, muddy, dark places, have never surveyed
an inch, and have an unconquerable terror of heights including
exposure to anything over 18 inches below where I am standing. I
prefer not to participate in anything resembling an organized trip,
much less an official expedition, and I rarely if ever go to grotto
meetings. In fact, I’m not even a current member of any grotto,
especially the ones here in Florida that resemble a cross between a
boy scout troop and a church group. The fact that during the last 55
years (I started when I was 15 or so) I have visited many hundreds of
pits and thousands of caves around the world apparently doesn’t count.
As in politics, the only thing that counts is whether or not you are a
member of ‘MY’ group, otherwise you are an imposter or one of ‘them
the others’. *
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*SW*
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*Ps: While in Peru for the last two months I sent several trip reports
to this list but have no idea if any of them made it through. All I
have ever gotten was a notification that “This post awaits moderator
approval” or something to that effect. The lack of echoes makes me
think I have just been shouting in the dark to no effect. Am I the new
David? Have my posts gone through or have they been rejected as coming
from someone who isn’t a ‘real’ caver? *
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*From:*Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> *On Behalf Of
*Logan
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 9, 2018 2:47 AM
*To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
*Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Bill Steele Saw The Truth
Yep, I think many of us have had that experience. Mention caving and
listen to a long description of their harrowing adventures at
Enchanted Rock, Garner State Park, or Gorman Cave back when it was
privately owned and open to everyone. Amazing how many "undiscovered"
caves there are out there with "miles' of passage that cavers have
never seen. Sure, there are some, but not the ones these folks describe.
On 10/9/2018 1:11 AM, Carl Kunath wrote:
Bill is exactly right. It’s an inconvenient truth that you are
allowed to characterize yourself as a caver despite only minimal,
sometimes miniscule, participation in that activity. Seen from
another viewpoint, those peripheral experiences may have been
powerful enough to last a lifetime. I have encountered the same
things/memories/claims as Bill. It IS very much an individual
frame of reference.
===Carl Kunath
carl.kun...@suddenlink.net <mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net>
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*From:*Bill Steele <mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>
In my 42 years of living in Texas I have run into two people who
said their fathers were cavers and when I later met the fathers it
turned out they went to Bustamante (Grutas del Palmito) once when
in college. It comes down to your point of reference.
Bill Steele
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