Please contact and share all pertinent info re: the Dead Dog Caves with City Council members, Ann Kitchen and Leslie Pool. Both have been very key in supporting Austin’s Caves!!!
Thanks Jules On Aug 17, 2021, at 11:00 AM, George Veni <gv...@nckri.org> wrote: Bill, Most of the materials on the Karst Information Portal are scanned by others and sent in. I don’t recall if the Texas Caver was scanned by the folks at the University of South Florida (USF) or if we used the scans that I think Bill Mixon made. When we first started the Portal, USF was scanning a lot of material and then cutbacks during the recession cut out that work. When USF was doing it, they used state-of-art library scanning and OCRing standards, hardware, and software. Of course, the state-of-the-art has progressed over the past ten years and if they restore funding to resume scanning, they plan to follow whatever the current state-of-art will be at that time. Thanks, George ******************** George Veni, PhD Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS) NCKRI address (primary) 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA Office: +575-887-5517 Mobile: +210-863-5919 Fax: +575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org UIS address Titov trg 2 Postojna, 6230 Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org www.iyck2021.org From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> On Behalf Of William R. Elliott Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:22 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Dead Dog Cave development George, It helps to have higher-res scans of a journal in order to do OCR (optical character recognition) and a searchable pdf. I've found that 400 dpi works well, but sometimes tiny fonts (8 pt or less) require even more resolution. Many old scanned issues of The Texas Caver are blurry anyway, so sometimes even high res and good search software cannot read every word. DocFetcher sometimes misses some search words because of that, but I have found it to be very good. OCR keeps improving, so maybe KIP can tap into a new one. William R. (Bill) Elliott 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 speodes...@gmail.com 573-291-5093 cell On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:01 AM George Veni <gv...@nckri.org> wrote: Justin, I apologize for the failure of the Karst Information Portal to find all the information on the various Dead Dog Caves. Over a year ago, I also noticed in my searches that it was not discovering reports I know were on the Portal. I pulled together a team of young and old reviewers from various countries to carefully and critically review the Portal. The incomplete and failed searches were definitely part of their feedback, which now sits with our partners at the University of South Florida. They are planning a major software upgrade for the Portal—which was delayed by COVID and we hope it will now start before the end of the year. In my view, this searching problem is the #1 thing that needs to be fixed. I’ll forward your comment below as reinforcement of the problem. While no one enjoys hearing complaints, I appreciate them to know about problems that need to be corrected. If anyone else on this list has experienced other problems with the Karst Information Portal, please contact me at my e-mail address below. As we prepare to overhaul the Portal, this is the time when additional comments will be most useful so we will know to keep good features and repair or improve others. When the upgraded version of the Portal is posted, I’ll announce it through the NCKRI news messages which are posted to this list. Thanks, George ******************** George Veni, PhD Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS) NCKRI address (primary) 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA Office: +575-887-5517 Mobile: +210-863-5919 Fax: +575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org UIS address Titov trg 2 Postojna, 6230 Slovenia www.uis-speleo.org www.iyck2021.org From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com> On Behalf Of Justin Shaw Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 4:27 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Dead Dog Cave development Thank you so much for running that query and posting the results so quickly. I was able to find all those issues on the Karst Information Portal. Disappointingly, I had previously used the search feature on the KIP site and only located 4 issues. I repeated the query yesterday with the same results. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ You will be included in the acknowledgments. Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net 512-593-CAVE (2283) - mobile voice & text "we need to start using our collective intelligence in a creative, clear and coherent manner" - John Trudell On Aug 16, 2021, at 19:45, William R. Elliott <speodes...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Justin and all, I just made a search of all Texas Caver issues, digital format, and found these hits, below. I edited and pasted the first one from 1963, which refers to the gating of Dead Dog Cave. I thought I would post these results with delay, and perhaps others can go through these issues for more details. By the way, I use the free Windows program, DocFetcher, which can quickly search large collections of files that one has previously processed and indexed in the program. I can also search most of the AMCS pubs, NSS News, some of the JCKMS indices, and Mundos Subterraneos for any word or phrase. If you need more help, please let me know. Thanks, good luck with conservation efforts, William R. (Bill) Elliott 30105 Briarcrest Court Georgetown, Texas 78628 speodes...@gmail.com 573-291-5093 cell Texas Caver References to Dead Dog Cave(s) 1963 TexasCaver_1963-v08-n11.pdf 1965 TexasCaver_1965-v10-n07.pdf 1966 TexasCaver_1966-v11-n03.pdf 1968 TexasCaver_1968-v13-n09.pdf 1969 TexasCaver_1969-v14-n02.pdf 1969 TexasCaver_1969-v14-n06.pdf 1970 TexasCaver_1970-v15-n12.pdf 1973 TexasCaver_1973-v18-n08.pdf 1973 TexasCaver_1973-v18-n12.pdf 1974 TexasCaver_1974-v19-n05.pdf 1974 TexasCaver_1974-v19-n09.pdf 1975 TexasCaver_1975-v20-n05.pdf 1975 TexasCaver_1975-v20-n08.pdf 1976 TexasCaver_1976-v21-n04.pdf 1976 TexasCaver_1976-v21-n11.pdf 1976 TexasCaver_1976-v21-n12.pdf 1978 TexasCaver_1978-v23-n04.pdf 1984 TexasCaver_1984-v29-n04.pdf 1984 TexasCaver_1984-v29-n06.pdf 1985 TexasCaver_1985-v30-n04.pdf 2005 TexasCaver_2005-12-01.pdf The Texas Caver, November 1963, 8(11):111. ''What a wonderful convention!" was the consensus on the Seventh Annual Region Convention held at Southwestern University in Georgetown, November 2-3. It combined the best of business meet- ings, convention papers, and field trips. Fifty-seven registered for the two-day session, the greatest number we have had at a convention since 1957. We hope this will be the beginning of an upward trend. The 7:00 AM Board of Governors meeting saw representatives from Abil- ene Grotto, Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto, UT Grotto, Southwestern Speleological Society, Balcones Grotto, and San Ang- elo College Caving Club. The Conservation Committee reported on details of the gating of Dead Dog Cave in Austin. The suggestion was offered that each grotto submit one article on conserva- tion with black and white pictures to be offered to county newspapers in the caving areas. Each article could be sent at monthly intervals to each paper. The conservation committee is compiling a list of landowners who are not will- ing to admit cavers, to keep those who may hear of leads on these properties from making a long drive for nothing. Representatives were asked to remind their grottoes that it is important to honor the promises of maps and pictures made to ranchers. They are understand- ingly irritated when these products do not arrive… On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 7:27 PM Justin Shaw <jus...@oztotl.net> wrote: Terry, those pics are of tremendous historical value. Thank you for posting them. Did you take them? I am working to quickly pull together a report including as much information as possible about the Dead Dog Caves. I would like to include those pics in the report, with appropriate credit. Also, the picture of the beautiful natural entrance seems a much better match to the TSS records descriptions of the entrance to Dead Dog Cave No. 1, and not so much matching descriptions of Dead Dog Cave No. 2. How does that jive with your memory? Thanks, Justin Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net 512-593-CAVE (2283) - mobile voice & text "we need to start using our collective intelligence in a creative, clear and coherent manner" - John Trudell On Aug 15, 2021, at 19:52, Terry <te...@texasraines.com> wrote: Yes Heather, When I first went to this Dead Dog #2, this cave was ‘way out in the country’, and a quicker trip than Steam Cave. Here is Tommy Phillips at the beautiful natural entrance, then a photo later after we put a manhole gate on it to stop the traffic Dead Dog #2 was the biggest/deepest of the caves on this property as I remember. Hope this helps, Terry <6406#36 Dead Dog#2 Phillips.jpg> <Dead Dog#2 Gate, Tommy Phillips.jpg> On Aug 15, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Heather Tucek <trog...@cavechat.org> wrote: Last minute notice from the TSA Conservation Committee: Development is being proposed at the site of the now closed Luby's Restaurant on Mopac Expressway in Austin. There are several caves under the site collectively referred to as the “Dead Dog Caves”. It is possible that these caves will be filled in during construction. The City Zoning and Planning Commission is having a meeting on Tuesday August 17th and this development is on the agenda. Citizens can apply to speak at this meeting via phone so anyone with extensive knowledge of these caves should consider making some remarks. Anyone can watch the meeting remotely. 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