Pranam Go thro this. I shall write elaborately later. https://youtu.be/xgIblaqSaKs K. Rajaram IRS 19722
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 7:58 PM Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]> wrote: > In the Vaishnava sampradaya there are two popular arguments – ‘markata > kishora nyaaya’ and ‘marjara kishora nyaya’. > ‘Markata kishora nyaya’ refers to the behaviour of a baby monkey. A baby > monkey takes firm hold of its mother. The mother monkey does not bother to > hold the baby but it is the baby who holds on tight to the mother. Vedanta > Desikan propagated this philosophy. This philosophy says that one should > take hold of the Lord just as the baby monkey takes hold of its mother. > This is vadakalai philosophy > ‘Marjara kishora nyaya’, propagated by Manavala Maa muni refers to the > behaviour of kittens. In this case it is the mother cat that protects the > kitten. The kittens remain peaceful while the cat, which has given birth to > kittens is restless in safeguarding them. Wherever she goes, the cat > carries the kitten with her to safety. She cannot rest in peace unless the > kittens are within the range of her protection. In the same way, we need > not catch hold of the Lord but it is the onus of the Lord to have us in His > protective hold. .This is Thenkalai philosophy > Scriptures speak of both these philosophies. > > https://roundtheclockstories.blogspot.com/2011/09/maarjaala-nyaya-and-markata-nyaya.html > > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/markata-nyaya-vs-maarjaala-radhika-gopinatha-dasa/ > > > <https://roundtheclockstories.blogspot.com/2011/09/maarjaala-nyaya-and-markata-nyaya.html> > > > > On Tuesday, 19 July, 2022 at 11:49:02 am IST, gopala krishnan < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Respected Sir, > Can you elaborate cat/monkey? > Gopalakrishnan > > On Tuesday, 19 July, 2022 at 07:04:24 am IST, Rangarajan T.N.C. < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > There is a difference in the philosophy of Thengalai and Vadakalai > Iyengars - cat/monkey > > On Tuesday, 19 July, 2022 at 05:23:57 am IST, 'gopala krishnan' via > Thatha_Patty <[email protected]> wrote: > > > What is the difference between Iyers and Iyengars?- FORWARD > > Answer by Mr Ramaswamy Sundaram, Former Retired HR Manager at > The One Group of Companies (1967–2001) Fri in Quora digest. > > Friend - Since you being a Mechanical Engineer of the present generation > has asked for clarifying and augmenting your Academic Knowledge *I am > trying to explain the difference between Iyers and Iyengars briefly, > without going deeply into ideologies and what not - ok?* > > Broadly Hinduism is divided into two factions - Saivists - worshipping > Lord Shiva as their main deity; and Vaishnavites - worshipping Lord > Mahavishnu as their only deity and consider all other Hindu Gods are > Devathas abetting, assisting and coordinating with him.. > > *Similarities between Iyers and Iyengars -* > > Both are called Brahmins generally > > Almost all the people from Non-brahmin communities call them both as Iyers > or Brahmins because they dont see any differences between these two > divisions. > > Both follow their traditional culture as was advised by their ancestors, > meticulously > > Both eat only Vegetarian foods and never touch non-veg foods > > Both follow cleaner habits of bathing everyday; chanting Manthras in > Sanskrit praising their deities and do Pooja to the deities they have in > their Pooja room ardently > > Both keep away from doing sins and try the maximum to help others who are > in distress irrespective of Caste-feelings! > > Control their wards to trek only in the auspicious paths adhered to by the > family tradition > > *Differences between the two factions:* > > Iyers wear their Religious symbol namely smearing the Holy Ash (Vibhoothi) > on their foreheads an arms like this: > > Iyer ladies wear the saree in a distinct style like this; > > Iyers go to Shiva and Shakthi Temples more than they go to Vishnu Temples. > All the Shiva temples give prominence to Shakthi - Goddess Parvathy - > consort of Lord Shiva. Famous Shiva Temples in Tamilnadu are popular only > by the name of the Goddess worshipped there - namely Meenakshi Temple; > Kamakshi Temple; Akilandeswari Temple; Karpagambal Temple etc. In Tamilnadu > Shiva’s idol will be in the Lingam format in the Sanctum Sanctorum known as > Moolavar; and the deity made up of metal called Uthsavar will only be taken > on Procession outside the Temple on Festival Days. > > *The biggest Shiva Temple in Tamilnadu is built by Raja Raja Chozhan and > is known as Big Temple located in Thanjavur, inside Tamilnadu:* > > All over India, especially in North India, you can see only Iyers smeared > with Holy Ash doing Service in Temples as Priests and Iyengars are a rarity. > > Kasi (Varanasi) Sri Viswanath Temple: > > Iyengars wear Thiruman (Namam) as the symbol of Vaishnavas hereditarily > from the period of Ramanuja thus - > > There are two “styles” of wearing Namam - namely > > Vadagalai Namam - the design of English Letter U > > Thengalai Namam - the Design of English Letter Y > > Vadagalai Iyengars are following the Vedic Rituals in Sanskrit and recite > only Sanskrit Manthras in Temples. > > Thengalai Iyengars are following the traditions existing only in Tamilnadu > - the Southern India - and recites only Thamizh Manthras in Temples. > > Iyengar Ladies wear their sarees exactly opposite of the style of Iyer > Ladies - where the end of the sarry will go through their left shoulders - > see Picture; > > The biggest Vaishnavite Temple for Lord Mahavishnu is at Srirangam > (nicknamed as Bhoolga Vaikuntam - Heaven on Earth) in Tamilnadu: > > Idol of Lord Ranganatha at Srirangam! > > In Tamilnadu there are nearly 40,000 Temples for Hindu Gods and Goddesses. > *Iyengars > traditionally worship 108 important Temples of Vishnu (namely Divya Desams)* > of which Srirangam Temple is the first. Almost 80% of these 108 Divya > Desams are located in South India - Tamilnadu and Kerala - and only a few > are located in North India. > > Some funny tit-bits about beliefs of Iyers and Iyengars: > > *If you go to any Vaishnavite Temple you will get one spoonful of Holy > Water; leaves of Tulsi; and delicious mixed rice varieties which will make > your tongue-buds watering* - all of them first offered to the deity in > the Temple and distributed among devotees. > > In contrast in Shiva Temples you get only a bit of Holy Ash and nothing > else. The age-old belief is if anyone takes the property of Shiva it is a > sin that will destroy his generations. (Sivan Soththu Kulanasam). > > Orthodox Vaishnavites will avoid going to Shiva Temples. They say (Madha > Yaanai Thuraththinaalum Shivan Koilukkul Nuzhayaathey) even if you are > chased by a wild tuskar elephant you should not enter a Shiva Temple. > > The centuries old tussle between Vadagalai Iyengar and Thengalai Iyengar > about which tradtion should be followed in the Temple rituals is very > famous in Kanchipuram and even both sides approached Supreme Court of > India. The SC Judges gave a via-media order that for 6 months of a year the > Vadagalai Tradition and for the next 6 months the Thengalai Tradition can > be followed. > > The poor creature - the Temple Elephant also did not escape this tussle - > whether it should wear Vadagalai Namam or Thengalai Namam! The same SC > Judgement applies here also. See the Kancheepuram Elephant; > > Elders in both sects are wise to say “Hariyum Shivanum Onnu; Ariyaathavar > Vaaiyile Mannu”” (Both Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same; mud in the > mouths of those who do not know or recognize this!) > > Fortunately the younger generation of Brahmins today have phoo phooed all > this nonsense and they are keen to get foreign jobs and fly away from India! > > Dear friends, > > I found the reading brief and quite interesting. A few points I like to > add. 1- Tirupathi Balaji temple Iyengars- They are either vadakalai or > thenkalai. 2. In Kerala Lord Krishna temples are also there. Hindu > devotees of iyer subcaste go toall temples. My home temple is Lord Krishna > temple. I am named Gopalakrishnan as the deity’s name 3. In Kerala Lord > Siva temples also gives tulsi leaves and theertham and sandal wood > paste. Koovalm leaf and holy ash is more preferred in Siva temples. > > Gopalakrishnan 19-7-2022 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Thatha_Patty" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/237314529.2399182.1658188431192%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/237314529.2399182.1658188431192%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqyXduhqteAomdWxcogT8F1v7gDhHqXwFYNndq_p9Az-A%40mail.gmail.com.
