AS RECD" "This adds another perspective to the discussion
Interesting viewpoints …👍 I think xenophobia is one of the most primal instincts both in the animal and human kingdom. In the former it manifests itself as ferocious territory consciousness . In the latter it manifests itself as latent but no less ferocious self-consciousness in a belief-system. Human belief-system can be rooted in a variety of ways … religious faith (which includes the atheistic or rationalistic kind) , race, ethnology… but mostly it is religious faith that underlies all other ideas of political, social or linguistic self-consciousness. When such deep-rooted instinctual belief-system is bounded by and within a geography , it creates binding and enduring ties amongst peoples within that geography. That’s what we generally call kinship, fraternity, citizenry or brotherhood. This is ferociously defended. When the boundaries of the geography is breached and Outsiders and outside influences make inroads, the instinctual ferocity turns feral. That then turns into wars, invasions, mass migratory movements, and insurgency of both the violent physical kind as well as the equally violent cultural kind. Our ancient Vedic wisdom was very mindful of this latent and animistic primal Xenophobic instinct in Man . Which is why the Vedic belief-system generally discouraged people of its own fold from crossing geographical boundaries of Bharathavarsha. Our ancient rishis even prohibited the Brahmin castes — who were at one time in the ancient past regarded as ambassadors-at-large of the Vedic belief-system — from ever crossing the geographical boundaries of greater India. Today in the world why do we see so many conflicts and strife across the world ? The clash of civilisations has become essentially the clash of geography…. We even define all global geopolitical conflicts, in fact, only by using the vocabulary of geography: the “North-South divide”, “Asia-European fault line”, “the Indo-Pacific Vs the Sino-Pacific sea-route hegemony” etc. And the clash of geography, if one thinks deeply about it, is rooted fundamentally only in the ferocious defense of respective spaces of various belief-systems of different peoples spread right across the globe. Once a person steps across and over the borderlands of his native soil he or she actually oversteps the boundaries of his or her native belief-system and is intruding or trespassing into another territorial space of faith. And that provokes and arouses a very primal, instinctual and ferocious response from the other native side . In pure psycho-biological terms, the human ecosphere is really no different from the animal kingdom. So long as territorial boundaries remain unchallenged, uncrossed and un-encroached, there is no cause for conflict. Once you cross the borders of your own land, you also cross the boundaries of your belief-system, culture and faith , and then you effectually only incite and invite conflict of every conceivable kind xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx KR Xenophobia is a psych word as some minorities are affected; not all; phobia ia <1%; so writing about a phobia is an act of the mischief maker. And ancient people never said do not cross the sea at all anywhere, since in the vedic times, the Bhārata varsha had 2 hemispheres only surrounded by water. Many Rishis including Kapila had gone to the underworld on the other side of our hemisphere. There was, as can be seen from history, no religion at all. There was no way of life in Assyria and Egypt. There was sanathana dharma, a way. There was no Greek or Roman religion. There was only a path to ease the sufferings and run a pure path as Buddhism and Jainism. The ISM was later added. Sikhism and Tibetan way of life are martial ways of life. So till now there was no xenophobia. Saivism And Vaishnavism etc are again not made as religions, but another way of life . In 1600 AD when islam founded as a religion, and wanted a conversion, then the phobia arose. Then Christ was made a God and the phobia expanded. Jews had no religion but the way of Jewish life only. Thus xenophobia started and running for the pat 400 years only. history may be history exaggerated a few skirmishes here and there as clashes between Buddhism and Jainism and Saivism and Vaishnavism; however it was over enthusiasm curbed shortly. As Bengal rifts in 1947 so few skirmishes. The highest freedom is given in the sanathana dharmic way of life; so there would not have been an ant taboo to cross the sea etc. The pujas to perform with the idols, had certain formalities; and so when you go by catamaran or boats or ships, getting the draviyams might be difficult; so they said better stay here. Today people carry all the idols across and get all the draviyams they need. So lack of GNANAPHOBIA ALONE IS NEEDED. XENO IS POLITICAL. PEOPLE SHALL UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES. How can one do it; howlers will be there; and anti curbing voices shall explain how they are wrong; Manusmrithi is given as a book by a person who does not know the Sanskrit. It is given to people who does not know anything. And so the pros and cons must be stated; sooner or later, 400 years habits will vanish away. Silence is not Golden where knowledge is to be fed. It is not Xenophobia. No one can call the good as bad. Writing as an intellect is an act of the mischief maker. KR IRs 111122 On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 at 11:00, Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]> wrote: > This adds another perspective to the discussion > > > Interesting viewpoints …👍 > > I think xenophobia is one of the most primal instincts both in the animal > and human kingdom. > > In the former it manifests itself as ferocious territory consciousness . > > In the latter it manifests itself as latent but no less ferocious > self-consciousness in a belief-system. > > Human belief-system can be rooted in a variety of ways … religious faith > (which includes the atheistic or rationalistic kind) , race, ethnology… > but mostly it is religious faith that underlies all other ideas of > political, social or linguistic self-consciousness. > > When such deep-rooted instinctual belief-system is bounded by and within a > geography , it creates binding and enduring ties amongst peoples within > that geography. That’s what we generally call kinship, fraternity, > citizenry or brotherhood. This is ferociously defended. > > When the boundaries of the geography is breached and Outsiders and outside > influences make inroads, the instinctual ferocity turns feral. That then > turns into wars, invasions, mass migratory movements, and insurgency of > both the violent physical kind as well as the equally violent cultural > kind. > > Our ancient Vedic wisdom was very mindful of this latent and animistic > primal Xenophobic instinct in Man . Which is why the Vedic belief-system > generally discouraged people of its own fold from crossing geographical > boundaries of Bharathavarsha. Our ancient rishis even prohibited the > Brahmin castes — who were at one time in the ancient past regarded as > ambassadors-at-large of the Vedic belief-system — from ever crossing the > geographical boundaries of greater India. > > Today in the world why do we see so many conflicts and strife across the > world ? The clash of civilisations has become essentially the clash of > geography…. We even define all global geopolitical conflicts, in fact, only > by using the vocabulary of geography: the “North-South divide”, > “Asia-European fault line”, “the Indo-Pacific Vs the Sino-Pacific > sea-route hegemony” etc. And the clash of geography, if one thinks deeply > about it, is rooted fundamentally only in the ferocious defense of > respective spaces of various belief-systems of different peoples spread > right across the globe. > > Once a person steps across and over the borderlands of his native soil he > or she actually oversteps the boundaries of his or her native belief-system > and is intruding or trespassing into another territorial space of faith. > And that provokes and arouses a very primal, instinctual and ferocious > response from the other native side . > > In pure psycho-biological terms, the human ecosphere is really no > different from the animal kingdom. So long as territorial boundaries remain > unchallenged, uncrossed and un-encroached, there is no cause for conflict. > Once you cross the borders of your own land, you also cross the boundaries > of your belief-system, culture and faith , and then you effectually only > incite and invite conflict of every conceivable kind. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZooLkdt2YtYvhdgkbUuQ%3D28pcsOx5ng2z9FSAyGGS9y6wA%40mail.gmail.com.
