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Thank you Mr Sekar. However you have been all the time writing what you did feel about which is individualistic and in common forum it shall be taken as you did individually. What all the time I am advocating is when there are available in plenty here itself as a treasure, why should you reproduce, from that was remodelled from here?; that is the WEST; not English: Dayananda had also in the introduction in Hindi had written about it; as a matter of fact he wrote 75% of Rigveda treatise in Hindi out of anger against that west writers like T H Griffith etc for bad translations. Unfortunately bad translations are more fully quoted than Dayananda ir Aravinda or Kapali sastri of Sanskrit college. . I meant that exactly as it is easier to lift out of a web page than trying from here and that is worth it. Especially those who speak well about Modiji etc shall understand that better. And again the meaning you have written is,"My Interpretation: Do not let them own you (people, objects) simply means that " Pl. Understand, people and objects will not be there forever, Nothing is permanent.Therefore Do not tie your happiness to people, things and objects - in other words, there is no harm in enjoying worldly objects (you can own them)". KR: If you own for your senses it is not renunciation; if you disown your duty to your relations also renunciation is unfulfilled as you failed at both ends. Even Adi shankara that is why promised his mother to return back when she thought about him or otherwise. San nyasa renunciation is being in this and yet away from it all which is action in inaction and inaction in action. The west quotes does not know about it. As far as possible, the Abdul kalam quote is indianised than the western. And writing in English is not western, Seneca thought from Greece and their followers and tamil punch dialogues are such; they do not quote ours anywhere there. Detachment is mentally strong in not feeling anything as yours and yet willing to serve as any specie would require help even if its your mother and son . That is difficult. Many sanyasis , who were permitted to take sanyasa at the end of vanaprastha in may -ISMs failed totally. B G I wrote is also in English only but indian based thinking whosoever haad written it. KR IRS 12423 NB we are still carried away by Riggs and jordans because our brain wash is such On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 at 22:29, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < iyer...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > What is meant by the Quote I sent, stripped of all jargons, is simply this > - to my understanding - others have every right to draw theirs. > > My Interpretation: > > Do not let them own you (people, objects) simply means that " Pl. > Understand, people and objects will not be there forever, Nothing is > permanent. > > Therefore > > Do not tie your happiness to people, things and objects - in other words, > there is no harm in enjoying worldly objects (you can own them) BUT do not > tie your happiness to them - But Don't let them own you as otherwise when > they are not there, you will feel miserable. Your happiness should > depend on your inner self. > > Pithy statements are meant to convey a deep message and not just their > apparent meaning. > > Just because they are in English doe not mean they come from the West. > Many of our Vedanta Stalwarts (Swami Dayanananda Sarawathiji) is an example > - he has given more lectures in English than in other languages. > > N Sekar > > > On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 10:57:40 PM GMT+4, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Renunciation through the B G > > With due respect to Mr Sekar, the quote sounds wrongly by the “Seneca” > like interpretation, the idea taken from B G. Whenever I write west is > erroneous, people easily fall a prey as that is so easily available across > the nets, but they did not do the correct meaning but makes out of it, > degrading a punch dialogue only. It is quoted as ‘“Detachment is not you > own Nothing-It means Nothing owns you"; on general sense you disown and it > disowns you mean the same as one determines the other; owning and disowning > is mental satisfaction; mind owns it; mind alone disowns it; so, there is > point in tongue telling: hereafter I do not own anything”; but the mind > through the sensory perceptions, shall disown all and treat both the > positive and negative as neutral. Thus, disowning through mind control has > many terms such as Sanyasi, Yogi, ascetics etc etc. WHEN: I” THE EGO DOES > NOT OWN ANYTHING, IS THAT A FACT THAT THE SENSES THROUGH THE MIND ALSO > DISOWNED IT? Treating both the hot and cold as similar is sanyasa. When the > mind, unknown to any one, craves for any duality, the disowning, or > renunciation is not complete. That is what B G says. But the west gave a > punch dialogue as quoted above; this gives an impression that all other > duality articles should disown us, which is practically impossible. > Disowning the sanyasa only we have to do and not the sthavara jangama > articles. Thus, the B G chap 6 is erroneously translated and bent. Now > > 6 1 The Supreme Lord said: Those who perform prescribed duties without > desiring the results of their actions are actual *sanyāsīs* (renunciates) > and yogis, not those who have merely ceased performing sacrifices such as > Agnihotra yajna or abandoned bodily activities. > > Bhagavad Gita 6.2 <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/6/verse/2> > What is known as *sanyās* is non-different from Yog, for none become > yogis without renouncing worldly desires. > > Bhagavad Gita 6.3 <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/6/verse/3> > To the soul who is aspiring for perfection in Yog, work without attachment > is said to be the means; to the sage who is already elevated in Yog, > tranquillity in meditation is said to be the means. > > Bhagavad Gita 6.4 <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/6/verse/4> > When one is neither attached to sense objects nor to actions, such a person > is said to be elevated in the science of Yog, having renounced all desires > for the fruits of actions. > > Bhagavad Gita 6.5 <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/6/verse/5> > Elevate yourself through the power of your mind, and not degrade yourself, > for the mind can be the friend and also the enemy of the self. > > Bhagavad Gita 6.6 <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/6/verse/6> > For those who have conquered the mind, it is their friend. For those who > have failed to do so, the mind works like an enemy. > > Bhagavad Gita 6.7 <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/6/verse/7> > The yogis who have conquered the mind rise above the dualities of cold and > heat, joy and sorrow, and honor and dishonor. Such yogis remain peaceful > and steadfast in their devotion to God. > > B G 6 1 is on dot: anāśhritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti > > Anasritha means NEVER EVER DESRING – KARYAM THE ACTION, KARMA KAROTI, > EXECUTION AND KARMA PALAN FRUITS OF ACTION. So has it been done? How to > test it? IT IS NOT THAT NO MORE IMA DOING ANYA CTION THUS CONQUERED THE > DESIRE? IS THAT; KRISHNA SAYS NO. REFRAINING FROM KARMA OR ACTION IS NOT > THE RENUNCIATION. Krishna in another place says “I have nothing to achieve > yet I am acting driving the chariot of Arjuna in the war; but there is no > expectations of the fruit of the desire and yet acting. Akarmani karmani > and karmani akarmani in another place Krishna says action in inaction and > inaction in action. There only one who took to sanyasa alone had to do it. > The other articles will never renunciate you. Thus one who still acts in > full speed, without partaking in the karma karoti and Karma phalam is the > sanyasi; there are one down called a Yogi who resides for some time in > swarga and again reborn as a good one -says in BG in another place. Hence > the correct meaning is desireless in action and not ACTIONLESS. > > yaḥ sa sannyāsī cha yogī cha na niragnir na chākriyaḥ So whether a > sanyasi or Yogi; cannot say no more yagna Niragnir; nor Cha-kriya No more > work. The renunciation is not something giving you up; it is your giving up > is proved by the hard work you do with the stream of achievements, like > driving the chariot in a war, winning the war and telling the world that > Arjuna won the war and nowhere Krishna took the credits. 6 2,6 3 ,64 ,6 5, > 6 6 & 6 7 sealed it. KR IRS 11423 > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 20:20, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 < > iyer...@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > What a simple but great definition of " Detachment" > > N Sekar > > "Detachment is not you own Nothing > > It means > > Nothing owns you" > > > N Sekar > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free.www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > <#m_-5779705225658779574_m_-2560848682369644858_m_3056560269308734188_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to iyer123+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/365257743.1613358.1681183220555%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/365257743.1613358.1681183220555%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to iyer123+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/1938518238.2067460.1681277345787%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/1938518238.2067460.1681277345787%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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