Sure colLaxminarayansarmaji. However issues I have told already do crop up when punches are formed by yourself. Do exclaim your friends by name; but writing Nethas etc do not point to them. So write boldly and take it back . What you pay so you receive sir. I never start anything but I do not allow weeds to grow under my feet. Even now you have not stated why seeking annas ,on a certain topic, remained silent even after seeing a part reply. So whereas the letters say neutral, punches are passed with favouritism. As long as you treat it as strict business I do not bother . So be may it be Whether Queen or King English sir Thank you KR IRS 18 823
On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 at 11:39, Laxminarayan Sarma < laxminarayan.sa...@gmail.com> wrote: > KR-ji , you've now turned your guns at me. Never mind. I shall take every > whiplash from a lesrned, senior scholar like you as a lesson, a blessing. > > But, with due respect, my knowledge of and command over the Queen's > English (now King's English), as compared to yours, is rudimentary, almost > non-existent. As to my felicity with the keyboard of my Android, it is > lousy. Yiu will definitely appreciate that a hand that has wielded guns, > cannot be as delicate and supple as the one that has wielded high-end > pens...so it's obvious that I'm guilty of typos. > > *But i take care of one thing: spelling of names. The biggest indignity, > disrespect and insult you can inflict on a man is mis-spelling his name. > > You're an erudite scholar treading the path of brahma shastras; not an > ordinary, uncouth, barely educated like me. Would respectfully suggest if > you please spare a few precious seconds of your precious time, you will > notice that i spell my surname *WITHOUT* an *H *! It is soelt *S-A-R-M-A > NOT * S-*H*-A-R-M-A > > *I sincerely trust you will kindly condescend to do me a great favour by > spelling my name correctly in your highly erudite scholarly treatisez that > you so obligingly post in the forum for the enlightment, education, > edification and, at times, entertainment of lesser mortals like this most > humble servant of yours* > > *Col. Laxminarayan SaRMA* > > > > On Fri, 18 Aug, 2023, 10:10 am Rajaram Krishnamurthy, < > keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am ADDRESSING THIS IN RESPONSE TO LAKSHMINARAYANA SHARMAJI's satvika >> request. I ack but Mr Sharmaji are you doing this unilaterally or >> bilaterally? Impartially or partially? Is it because having read the whole >> episodes , right from the beginning, you felt your Annas are so honest >> purushas who are insulted by me or you feel that they can do anything but I >> have to remain silent? Than nenjarivadhu poyyarkka. When you wrote "NETAs >> should you not remember it does apply to you also sir? So if I write a 3rd >> rate material, keemayanam of Annadurai, will you all reply calmly without >> getting incited? Do not be smart as smarthas are long dead. Non-Niyathas >> cannot comment about the nethas. Do not worship humans; what bhagavatam >> speaks about how one dwija shaall react is: Mata pita guru deivam are >> worshipful; but throw them off if they go against the dharma and Vedas. If >> you refer you will find it by yourself. If you refer to your email when >> you wrote :"netha", can you spell properly the few words you wrote there? >> I am not at all jibing at you sir; I ignored them as it is common for all; >> but here I brought iti to your attention to explain the fellow to whom you >> are trying to defend here, writes such nonsense jibings but gets wild when >> cornered as his level is shallow, but I cannot pass as someone shall act as >> police or else thieves will plunder. Why did he not write about your wrong >> spellings?; because you are GOD? ; NO ; pancha tantra; even at 79 and 97. >> If your 88 wants to join them pl do so but be prepared to share the booty >> sir. You wrote one similar to your anna and what you got back and went >> silent. One who knows that he does not know is better. If you would like >> the relationship of Moodan and moorgan and the crocodiles as close, please >> have them and have a taste . But unless you are neutral and courageous >> enough to shut out all fronts please do not disturb annas. Have courage to >> fight then you are a Brahmin. Or else think so and lead your life in >> silence. Thank you sir KR IRS 18 8 23 >> >> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 22:01, Laxminarayan Sarma < >> laxminarayan.sa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear RK , Loved your write-up. You write well .But would it be too much >>> to ask far if i request you to kindly confine to the subject . Not detract >>> from it by bringing in references to anybody. And, for heaven's sake, >>> please stop being disrespectful toeards the venerable 97 year old >>> gentleman..It goes against the tenets of Sanatana Dharma. The elderly >>> gentleman is a Father Figure to most of us, seen and experienced more of >>> the world. Regardless of snything, I would take it in my stride every >>> uttersnce of such an elderly gentleman as a blessing. That is what my >>> ancestors, my elders and my peers have yaught me. And i always abide by >>> what i have imbibed as part of my upbringing and culture. >>> >>> So, sir, kindly hold your horses.. Words spoken in haste will cause us >>> to repent at leisure. >>> >>> With respectful regards >>> >>> Laxminarayan >>> >>> On Thu, 17 Aug, 2023, 6:33 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, < >>> iyer...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Respected Mr Rajaram, >>>> >>>> You may have hatred and anger, show it to your family members, not on >>>> me. >>>> >>>> It would not take much time to call you an idiot and fool. >>>> >>>> But my culture does not permit to call you so. *You have no culture >>>> at all. You are unfit to be called a former IRS. * >>>> >>>> *Next time you get anger show it your family members*. They will >>>> retard to you, at least ten times you are using including your grand kids. >>>> >>>> There is an upper limit to one's patience. Are you not ashamed to lower >>>> down to call another idiot and fool? Shame on you. >>>> >>>> Gopalakrishan >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 01:33:57 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> As usual when Gopalakrishnan blabbers, and Narayanasamy naragal abuses >>>> without any knowledge of the subject, they will write either one to one or >>>> within iyer 123 with few members, out of which a few in conglomeration of >>>> their out focussed company. Gopalakrishnan always floundered down below the >>>> earth as he knew the route very well as he alone distinguished where is >>>> earth and where is hell south etc. That Gopalkrishna fool of an Ass did >>>> not understand, whether nachiketa going to hell is written by Narayanasamy >>>> or myself. That senile idiot of Singapore at 97 cannot distinguish the >>>> foreign on earth and the rest travel in space. For that Kid anything >>>> outside his bed is foreign so maybe it is. Hello Gopala, I know your >>>> knowledge is shallow. But your write up below south etc you should have >>>> learnt better. Where is the earth? Below Moon or SUN? Gopalakrishnan this >>>> map is for you ; find out up or down this earth where you live before going >>>> to foreign[below the earth]: >>>> >>>> Do you know directions in space? [image: image.png] >>>> Kathopanishad etymology >>>> >>>> Katha (Sanskrit: कठ) literally means "distress". Katha is also the >>>> name of a sage, credited as the founder of a branch of the Krishna >>>> Yajur-veda, as well as the term for a female pupil or follower of Kathas >>>> school of Yajurveda. Katha Upanishad uses words that symbolically embed and >>>> creatively have multiple meanings. For example, a closely pronounced word >>>> *Katha* (Sanskrit: कथा) literally means "story, legend, conversation, >>>> speech, tale" All of these related meanings are relevant to the Katha >>>> Upanishad. >>>> >>>> Nachiketa, the boy and a central character in the Katha Upanishad >>>> legend, similarly, has closely related words with roots and meanings >>>> relevant to the text. The language Sanskrit, suggests *Na- kṣiti* and *Na- >>>> aksiyete*, which are word plays of and pronounced similar to >>>> Nachiketa, means "non-decay, or what does not decay", a meaning that is >>>> relevant to second boon portion of the Nachiketa story. Similarly, *Na- >>>> jiti* is another word play and means "that which cannot be >>>> vanquished", which is contextually relevant to the Nachiketa's third >>>> boon. Another variation to Nachiketa, with etymological roots that is >>>> relevant to Katha Upanishad: the word *Na-ciketa* also means "I do not >>>> know, or he does not know". Some of these Sanskrit word plays are >>>> incorporated within the Upanishads text. >>>> >>>> Like Taittiriya Upanishad of Yajurveda, each section of the Katha >>>> Upanishad is called a *Valli* (वल्ली), which literally means a >>>> medicinal vine <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine>-like climbing plant >>>> that grows independently yet is attached to a main tree. This symbolic >>>> terminology is apt and likely reflects the root and nature of the >>>> Upanishads in Black Yajur Veda, which too is largely independent of the >>>> liturgical Yajur Veda, and is attached to the main text. THUS, HOW THE >>>> ELDERS INTERPRETED KATHOPANISHAD CAN BE SEEN FROM BANARSIDAS PUBLICATIONS. >>>> Out of wits in foreign land and those who think up and down to earth are >>>> foreign, will learn how a foreign mind can think from the elders’’ notes. >>>> >>>> The Upanishad opens with the story of Vajasravasa, also >>>> called *Aruni Auddalaki Gautama*, who gives away all his worldly >>>> possessions. However, his son Nachiketa (Sanskrit: नचिकेता) sees the >>>> charitable >>>> sacrifice as a farce, because all those worldly things have already >>>> been used to exhaustion, and are of no value to the recipients. The cows >>>> given away, for example, were so old that they had 'drank-their-last-water' >>>> (पीतोदकाः), 'eaten-their-last-grass' (जग्धतृणाः), 'don't give milk' ( >>>> दुग्धदोहाः), 'who are barren' (निरिन्द्रियाः). {KR All these words fit >>>> those think interpreting foreigners} [peethodaga, jagatthruna, nirindriya >>>> etc] Concerned, the son asks his father, >>>> >>>> "Dear father, to whom will you give me away?" >>>> He said it a second, and then a third time. >>>> The father, seized by anger, replied: "To Death, I give you away." >>>> >>>> — Nachiketa, Katha Upanishad, 1.1.1-1.1.4 >>>> [image: image.png][image: image.png] >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: image.png] >>>> >>>> Kasmai mam dasyaSEETHI? IS THE QUESTION OF Nachiketa. >>>> >>>> Mrthyeva tva datam iti. >>>> >>>> HE IS GIVEN AS DATHAM BY FATHER TO YAMA; MEANING AS ANOTHER DEAD WOOD >>>> AS NACHIKETA THOUGHT THAT HIS FATHER IS GIVING AS GIFT ALL OLD USED >>>> ARTICLES. NACHIKETA DID NOT GO TO A FOREIGN AS DEFINED BY THE N AND G FOR >>>> COMMERCIAL >>>> PURPOSE; HE WAS THROWN OUT AS OLD ARTICLE AS GIFT BY HIS FATHER. >>>> >>>> So karka kasadara and then write K R IRS 17 8 23 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 11:45, gopala krishnan <gopa4...@yahoo.in> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Respected sir, >>>> >>>> On 15th August when he wrote Too my friends, and when I pointed out >>>> that it must be to , Mr Rajaram gave justification for using Too in his >>>> response.Similarly for use of lose instead of lost he will respond with >>>> *justification >>>> for using lose*. >>>> >>>> "travelling through *space *from bhoolokam to yamalokam?" - he has >>>> wrote. As per concept in Hinduism I understand Yamalokam is beneath the >>>> bhoolokam, how it will be above bhoolokam to travel through space? >>>> >>>> "Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक), also called Yamaloka, is the Hindu equivalent >>>> of Hell, where sinners are tormented after death. It is also the abode of >>>> Yama, the god of Death. It is described as located *in the south of >>>> the universe and beneath the earth*" as per *google search* >>>> >>>> How space comes to the picture? >>>> >>>> Gopalakrishnan. >>>> >>>> In addition some abusing as response to your questions. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 17 August, 2023 at 11:11:44 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < >>>> iyern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear folks >>>> >>>> According to his own flawed reasoning:- >>>> >>>> (1) did Nachiketass "lose caste" (whatever that idiotic phrase might >>>> mean) by travelling through space from bhoolokam to yamalokam? >>>> >>>> (2) did reprobate renegade blasphemer and unschooled uneducated >>>> master-fibber K RAJARAM ex-IRS 16 8 23 "lose caste" similarly by >>>> travelling from India to Californuia, USA, and "lose caste" again >>>> irretrievably by travelling to Hawaii? >>>> >>>> Can he honestly and without prevarication, evasion and lying answer the >>>> following questions:- >>>> >>>> (3) was he ever of the braahmana "caste" since he never underwent any >>>> of our samskaarams including jaatha karmam, naama karanam, anna-praashanam, >>>> chaulam, ear-piercimg, aayushya-homam, upanayanam, vivaaham? >>>> >>>> (4) did he or did he not condemn, despise, denigrate, insult, discredit >>>> all vaadhyaars without whom he could not have any of these >>>> samskaarams performed? >>>> >>>> (5) has he ever heard of the kriya called the vichinnaagni santhaanam? >>>> >>>> (6) does he know why, by whom, and how it is performed? >>>> >>>> (7) did he marry according to the rules prescribed for Brahmins and >>>> Hindus, involving the sapthapadi circumambulation of the agni, or did he do >>>> a prosaic civil act before a government officer such as an assistant >>>> registrar or a registrar and proceed to consummation? >>>> >>>> (8) does he know what is the "naandi" ritual performed before >>>> upanayanam, vivaaham, shraaddham, shashti-abda-poorthi, and sathabhishekam? >>>> >>>> (9) does he know by whom and for whom and why is it performed? >>>> >>>> (10) does he know what is agnihothram? >>>> >>>> (11) if so, which has he performed, and on what occasion? >>>> >>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 11:42 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Section IX - Meditation on the Vaisvanavara Fire >>>> >>>> Chapter V >>>> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-brihadaranyaka-upanishad/d/doc122185.html> >>>> *Verse >>>> 5.9.1: Brahadaranyaka Upanishad* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kathopanishad Vaishvanaram verse of Nachiketa speaks about the yagnam >>>> the Vedic must perform, connecting his soul to the fire agni @ >>>> Vaisnavara=human Agni. Vedam oduvarrkku ore mazhai means the strict vediyar >>>> addicted to being a Brahmin. The Vaishvanaran who begets th fire on the >>>> Brahma yagnam, must preserve it till death when his atman gets purified by >>>> that Agni. Hence Crossing the ocean is prohibited for the tri varnas and >>>> especially to the true Brahmin. >>>> >>>> The prohibition is clearly stated in several scriptures. The >>>> Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that “making >>>> voyages by sea” (II.1.2.2) is an offense which will cause pataniya, >>>> loss of caste. It offers a rather difficult penance: “They shall eat >>>> every fourth mealtime a little food, bathe at the time of the three >>>> libations (morning, noon and evening), passing the day standing and the >>>> night sitting. After the lapse of three years, they throw off their guilt.” >>>> Harsha Ramamurthy in his erudite article on the issue, explains that, >>>> according to Baudhayana Sutra, the highest authority in deciding a question >>>> of dharma is shruti, our primary scriptures, the Vedas and Agamas. Next is >>>> the smriti, the secondary scriptures, which include the Dharma Shastras. >>>> Third is sampradaya, the teachings and practices of a specific lineage. He >>>> concludes, “ because of the bans in smriti and sampradaya, such travel is >>>> considered a banned activity.” He added that the ban applies to all three >>>> upper castes, and not just brahmins. It also applies to sannyasins, who–in >>>> his tradition–can only be from the brahmin caste. >>>> >>>> Why the ban? >>>> >>>> In the Baudhayana Sutra, the ban is discussed in the context of a >>>> description of the geographical limits of India which concludes that within >>>> its boundary “spiritual pre-eminence is found.” Generally, two reasons are >>>> given by scholars for the ban. The first is that it is impossible to >>>> maintain one’s required daily religious observances on a ship, particularly >>>> thrice-daily personal worship. The second is that one will incur the sin of >>>> mlecchas samparka, usually politely translated as mixing with foreigners. >>>> Mlecchas, however, is more accurately translated as “barbarian” or >>>> “savage.” “I am told,” he said, “that there is a penance to be performed >>>> when a sannyasin or priest crosses the ocean. The existence of this penance >>>> shows that as per the need and their own deeper vision, a sannyasin or >>>> priest can cross the ocean to preserve and make his mother religion >>>> flourish. *But this should not be done for any materialistic need.”* >>>> >>>> Dr. A.V. Ramana Dikshitulu, head priest of the Balaji Temple in >>>> Tirumala, one of India’s most respected and popular pilgrimage >>>> destinations, said, “None of our priests who serve in the main sanctum can >>>> cross the ocean. Neither I nor any member of my family have done so, >>>> despite lucrative offers from abroad. Serving the Lord here is most >>>> important to us. The Balaji Temple is governed by the Vaikhanasa Agama. It >>>> says that the people outside India are akin to mlecchas, barbarians, who do >>>> not follow any rules or code of conduct, and therefore it forbids visiting >>>> such places. These places have habits, food, relationships and other things >>>> which could make us corrupt and impure.” >>>> >>>> sunrise, midday and sunset, called trikal gayatri sandhya,” >>>> he explained. “*This trikal sandhya cannot be performed on a plane or >>>> ship; it must be done on the earth.” *Dr. Ramana Dikshitulu does not >>>> specifically rule out “crossing” an ocean, for he himself flies >>>> occasionally from Chennai to Kolkata, a flight which goes out over the Bay >>>> of Bengal. But as that flight is only two hours long, he does not miss his >>>> trikal sandhya as he would on a longer flight or a voyage by ship, and he >>>> does not land outside India. *He was unaware of any penance to offset >>>> crossing the ocean.* >>>> >>>> Clearly the Dharma Shastras’ ban on ocean travel was intended >>>> to maintain the religious strength and purity of the individual, and to >>>> prevent negative external influence from non-Hindu cultures. Other cultures >>>> had the same concern. One can note that the very word barbarian (used to >>>> translate mleccha with a strongly negative connotation), just meant >>>> “foreigner,” in the original Greek, yet came to describe an uncultured or >>>> brutish person. Baudhayana Sutra makes the point more than once to >>>> delineate ancient India’s boundaries and declare it a sacred land out of >>>> which one should not step >>>> >>>> * Hence Nachiketa Vaisvanara concept eduvated by Dharma Raja >>>> applied to Brahmins who did not cross the ocean and for such alone ore >>>> mazhai is possible. Brahadaranyaka Upanishad states as under: * >>>> >>>> अयमाग्निर्वैश्वानरो योऽयमन्तः पुरुषे, येनेदमन्नं पच्यते यदिदमद्यते; >>>> तस्यैष घोषो भवति यमेतत्कर्णावपिधाय शृणोति; स यदोत्क्रमिष्यन्भवति नैनं >>>> घोषं शृणोति ॥ १ ॥ >>>> इति नवमं ब्राह्मणम् ॥ >>>> >>>> ayamāgnirvaiśvānaro yo'yamantaḥ puruṣe, yenedamannaṃ pacyate >>>> yadidamadyate; tasyaiṣa ghoṣo bhavati yametatkarṇāvapidhāya śṛṇoti; sa >>>> yadotkramiṣyanbhavati nainaṃ ghoṣaṃ śṛṇoti || 1 || >>>> iti navamaṃ brāhmaṇam || >>>> >>>> 1. This fire that is within a man and digests the food that is eaten, >>>> is Vaiśvānara. It emits this sound that one hears by stopping the ears >>>> thus. When a man is about to leave the body, he no more hears this sound. >>>> >>>> Here is another meditation like the preceding ones. *This fire is >>>> Vaiśvānara.* Which fire? This *that* is *within a man.* Is it the >>>> element fire that is one of the components of the body? No, it is the one >>>> called Vaiśvānara, which *digests the food.* Which food? The food *that >>>> is eaten* by men. That is to say, the heat in the stomach. For direct >>>> sign of it the text says: As that fire digests the food, *it emits >>>> this sound. *What is it? *That one hears by stopping the ears thus,* with >>>> one’s fingers. The word ‘Etat’ is an adverb (meaning ‘thus’). One should >>>> meditate upon that fire as Vaiśvānara, or Virāj. Here too the result is >>>> identification with it. Incidentally a death omen is being described: >>>> *(When >>>> a man,* the experiencer in this body *is about to leave the body, he >>>> no more hears this sound*. >>>> >>>> K RAJARAM IRS 16 8 23 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> On Facebook, please join >>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>>> >>>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>>> >>>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to keralaiyers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZorKvXymajQYXU7E%2BtfBBeqNGF8Q9J54mJ7CLJNw4AYMKg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZorKvXymajQYXU7E%2BtfBBeqNGF8Q9J54mJ7CLJNw4AYMKg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to iyer123+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAL4idhNQOe5bicsZkoGQhVXTJLowEAK-ckvuohdO198CjOmbog%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAL4idhNQOe5bicsZkoGQhVXTJLowEAK-ckvuohdO198CjOmbog%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "iyer123" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to iyer123+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/1048300645.806149.1692277413432%40mail.yahoo.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/1048300645.806149.1692277413432%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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